3F UL GEAR - Lanshan 1

Hi all, First ever post on Reddit, so bear with me. :) I'm looking for advice on tents. I currently have the Lanshan 1 (3 season). It's my first ever light weight tent and I bought it because it's relatively cheap (EU, €150/$165) and I wasn't sure how much I was actually gonna use it (new to multi-day hiking). I've used it for a few short trips over the past year and I like it: easy to set up, weight etc. The thing is that I (will) use the tent in bad weather. I'm based in the Netherlands (rains a lot) and plan on hiking the West Highland Way (Scotland, 96 miles/154 km) en Kungsleden (Swedish Lapland, 273 miles/450 km) this year. I'm not a 'hike all day, go straight to bed' person and prefer to wait out really bad weather in my tent. For just sleeping, the lanshan 1 is fine. But when spending more time inside in bad weather, it’s too small. I can’t comfortably sit up straight without touching the inner. Also, because the open space between floor and vestibules is quite high, my bag (mariposa 60) only stays dry if I keep it in the middle of the vestibule. Having only 1 vestibule, this is a bit annoying going in and out (especially in the middle of the night when it’s raining). So I’m thinking of upgrading to a new tent. Things to consider: - Will use the tent for 1p and I'm 6 feet tall. I use a wide rectangular sleeping pad ((I keep falling of mummy shaped pads) my pad is 183 x 65 cm / 72 x 25.6 in). - Tent will be used in humid/wet/stormy climate like Swedish Lapland and Scotland. - I always hike with poles, so free standing doesn't really make sense for me. - Tarp not an option, I don't like mosquito's and mud/water inside :) - I like the idea of two doors/vestibules: more storage space, my stuff not begin in the way when getting in and out and the option to open both vestibules when chilling inside. - Budget: I don't mind spending a bit of money since I will use it quite a lot, but a tent like the Bonfus 2p just feels like too much (€700/$760) compared to the lanshan and durston tents. I'm based in the EU and many cheaper US options are not so cheap over here. I'm now considering the - 3 season Lanshan PRO 2 (price in EU: €230/$250 & 1060 gr/37 oz) - Durston x mid 1 (price in EU: €345/$377 & 795gr/25 oz) - Durston x mid 2 (price in EU: €395/$429 & 880 g/31 oz). Wondering if people can say something about spaciousnes of these tents when spending some time inside? Can you sit up comfortably etc? Advice on other tents/options also very welcome! :) EDIT: Hi everyone! Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and ideas, really appreciate it! I decided to go for the x mid 2 and while looking for EU vendors, I found a second hand x mid pro 2 on an online marketplace in my country. So I now have the extra space of the 2p for less weight than the regular 1p (although I am spending more than initially planned tho, oh well). I expect the condensation will be manageable since I’ll be sleeping alone in the 2p and won’t touch the walls. We’ll see :) thanks again!

Thank you! Great points. The sagging fabric of the Lanshan is a bit annoying, especially when hiding out from the rain and I feel the tent becoming smaller and keep reorganizing my stuff so nothing touches the inner. Decided to go for the xmid 2! I’m keeping the Lanshan 1, nice to have an extra option.

Can confirm. I started out with the Lanshan only to buy the Durston a year later. The Lanshan isn’t bad per se, the Durston is just so much better :) I got the Durston on an online marketplace in the Netherlands, maybe you can find something similar in your country.

I tried lots of options, from classic Naturehike CloudUp to various frameless shelters. Now I stopped on Lanshan 1 with a carbon pole. This setup is sub 1 kilo, quite spacious and requires little space. Also the tent is connected with the mesh liner and can be easily pitched in the rain. https://preview.redd.it/bi0vrh2uyzwe1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3cb6b0d03c2ffecfc28319379e8d32e7cf37682

Weight difference is worth almost two beers so it's quite an obvious choice

Lanshan 1 or 2

Yea I have the Lanshan 1 and love it but the 2 may be better for more room and if you are wanting to open it up. Make sure you get the standard not the pro.

Lanshan 1 or 2, you can thank me later

Best? Not sure. My favorite, Lanshan 1 or 2.

Get a Lanshan 1 or 2, you can thank me later

They are trekking pole tents which I was skeptical of but I like it better. They are much easier to set up, lighter, and pack down smaller. The only downside is you can’t pick it up and move it once it’s set up if you want to like the one you have posted but that’s no biggie for me. Also, get the regular version, not the Pro. I had a pro and swapped it for the regular and love it.

Solid start. Great choice on the bag, the Nemo pad and sleeping bag and stove. I have the same style stove and the big round end like the one you got vs the jet is definitely the way to go. For the sleeping pad I would make sure the long will fit where you need it. Definitely get the wide but I have the standard/wide and I’m 6’2 and it’s perfect. If you are above 6’2 and it will fit in your tent go with the long. Also, get a Nemo switchback to go under it. It acts as sorta a boxspring and make your night wayyyy more comfortable. For the sleeping bag I would recommend looking into quilts. If you are going to go the sleeping bag route the Nemo is the only way to go. However I had a Nemo sleeping bag and swapped it out for a quilt and never looked back. For the tent I would also recommend a trekking pole tent. Look into the Lanshan 1 or 2. I have the 1 and absolutely love it. Get the standard Not the pro!

I was exactly the same. Actually got as far as ordering (and then cancelling) a Tarpstar as I decided to opt for a Lanshan instead (I now have a 1 and a 2). The ability to completely open up the side of the Lanshan made the difference for me, and I've certainly enjoyed using it.

You’ll be happy with the lanshan. You might consider the lighter fabric version of the naturehike 1p as well. I have upgraded since but still miss aspects of the naturhike from time to time.

I've been very happy with my Lanshan 1 tent that I bought on AliExpress.

I have an older version of the zephyros 1 man it was my first wildcamping tent. Tbh I never use it over my other tents now. It is easy to put up but very hard to get the fly correct at the ends. The poles are very intuitive however getting the fly taught takes a lot of practise. Test a lot at home or at a local park before out on the hills. The wildcountry tents are well made. It comes into its own in the wind and cold. It is very small and low profile. Because it is small and the fly goes low to the ground it is very easy to warm and stay warm. It is very well made so does well in high winds and rain. It has a small footprint so finding pitches is easy. Downsides, condensation, the fly goes to the ground so there is little air flow even from the end vents. you can unzip it a bit to reduce condensation but not much. In heavy rain on uneven pitches the fly is so low it can pool if the fly isnt straight down. The biggest issue is the size. It is very small, most people wouldn’t be able to sit up in it, it can feel slightly like a coffin. You can’t sit up in the vestibule either due to the zip placement. The zip doesn’t go all the way to the top so you feel like you have to crawl in. There isn’t loads of space to fit your gear in, pack outside the tent etc. If you’re looking for a lighter tent for summit camps often pitching and then just sleeping in adverse weather it is ideal, it’s a step up from a bivy bag or bivy tent. But it isn’t a 4 season tent and it isn’t very comfortable for more than 1 night trips. For most people I think there are better options it’s primary issue is size. Edit: slight rambling on some of my other tent opinions: I haven’t owned an oex tent but a couple of my friends do and most haven’t been that impressed with the quality. But they are often the cheapest. I have a very old vango mirage 2 (style is now called hellvellyn) and borrowed a vango banshee 1 for a while. Both are old but are good tents and well built. The wildcountry zephyros I think from a build quality is a step up from vango but design wise vango is better. The banshee is easier to pitch up than the zephyros. And the banshee is easier to get in and out of but I would trust the zephyros more in the wind. Rain they are both the same. My got to one man tent is a lanshan 1 with 3 season inner for weight and space but if you don’t have trekking poles it can be a more expensive option. They are also a bit like marmite some people love them some people hate them. Quality wise they can be hit or miss. Also because you often import them if you don’t like it or have quality issues you don’t have any customer support unlike the other brands.

If you’re mostly solo backpacking why are you looking at 3 person tents? Do you use trekking poles? For that price range I’d recommend a Lanshan 1, or 2 if you think you’ll have a partner sometimes and want to accommodate that possibility while only owning one tent

I’d recommend checking out the side bar which has an ultra cheap gear list. I’d recommend trying a nemo switchback which is cheaper and way lighter. For quilts check out iceflame or aegis max. That’s a really heavy sleeping bag and probably won’t be as warm as it advertises. For tent look into a lanshan which will be significantly lighter for the same price. A 65L pack is huge and that’s pretty heavy so I’d keep looking for a pack. Check UL gear trade as packs come up on there frequently

Lanshan 1, is a good cheap entry point, although I would suggest just getting the 2. XMid 1P perhaps the most popular one and surprisingly affordable. But there are many other options too.

Lanshan 1. Its non freestanding though but I love my Lanshan 2

I agree with this, get 2 tents. I'd go for any 2/3 man OEX tent, cause they are bombproof and, as suggested, a Lanshan 1 or 2 for hiking.

100%, the Lanshan 1 is perfect for bikepacking. It endured pretty intense weather and rain in alpine landscape without any problem

I prefer a 1p as a solo hiker. I don't really understand why people feel the need for 2 or 3 person tents when they are using it alone. When I'm on a backpacking trip I'm pretty much only confined to my rent when I'm sleeping, and I don't really see the point of additional room to sleep. I'm only bringing a single person sleeping pad anyways, so it's just empty room. For reference I'm 188 cm (6'2") and not a slender dude. For your budget you can get a lanshan 1 or 1 pro. The pro version comes in silpoly (and silnylon, but I would buy the poly version) and has a bit more room but is single wall and requires seamsealing. Non pro is smaller, but comes with tapped seams and is double walled. Either one requires a trekking pole, but that's something I would use even if I was using a freestanding tent.

Someone else mentioned the (3FUL) Lanshan 1. From memory mine weighs in at about ~850g and packs down nice and small. Ideal if you already use trekking poles. Takes a bit of practice setting up to get a good pitch though so if you get one, try it out in the garden or something first. There are numerous YT videos of various mods you can do to it too to improve setup. I really like mine.

Paria Outdoors has a 3lb, 1p freestanding tent that is only like $160. Lanshan 1 is trekking pole tent that is only 2lbs and costs $130 shipped. (Before tariffs)

The langshan 1 did me well on the coast 2 coast a few years ago. [day1 camping spot](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_gcgWJqC08HWjClZhhBRRtnB-9Vl0ic6RYeq_kyKkXIRy5-cHl6kvXWzgJo_s32ER-lT1EmrZzzAj2YhyN_3wefWKy_f5vppHScRq2AG6dix2hr0g2YnUKdc4lf9gOUSaE06sEhysMAtl/s1600/1624422276874076-3.png)

For my money, the original lanshan has been a very good value. Taking it out agian for two weeks again next month. FYI you may need to seam seal yourself. I also used a 3F UL frameles backpack. Designed to use a closed cell foam sleeping pad as pseudoframe. it got the job done but had a penchant for snapping a few plastic components.

I’ve had good luck with my $150 3FUL Lanshan tent. It’s pretty light and has kept me dry in thunderstorms.

My Lanshan is the model from about 4 years ago, and it seems like they’ve made some changes to it since then. Still, my tent flaps like crazy in the wind even when I get a great pitch. It’s kept me dry in full on thunderstorms, but it is a noisy tent.

I like my Lanshan well enough for being a budget tent. It’s kept my dry in multiple rain storms and is light for its price point. On the PCT I met a ton of people who swear by their xmid’s. It’s a nice, light tent. I might look into Six Moon Designs as well if you haven’t yet. I switched to a SMD tent this year and am very happy with it.

Yeah the CloudUp is super nice. HOWEVER… you’ve already discovered r/Ultralight… why not take it a step further? Get a trekking pole tent (or a tarp)! I seriously recommend checking out 3FUL’s Lanshan trekking pole tent. I used it for 1000 mi on the PCT and it’s absolutely spectacular OR, get the “Twinn tarp” from Gossamer Gear, everything on their site is like 1/3 off right now!

No yeah this is the one. I used it on the AT and it’s still in great shape.

Lanshan is probably your best bet, but really consider your priorities here. This will be your home for a month.

Every influencer and their mom has done a "budget Walmart gear" review video; just watch those. For that price range you'd be better off with a cheap Chinese tent; a Lanshan or similar.

I have the Lanshan and the X-Mid. Both 2 Pro. Both are terrific tents. The Lanshan is perhaps the better value because of its low price. The X-Mid is the better performer because of its lighter weight and clever design. Both are fine 2 person tents with excellent materials and well performing layouts; although both are cramped for two people.

NatureHike and Lanshan tents are reasonable quality, lightweight and cheap. Look on eBay for any used cheap tent by Big Agnes, Tarptent, etc. The lightest warm sleeping bag will have down filling. They are expensive but you can always find cheaper ones used on eBay. As a rule of thumb, most people can sleep without a sleeping bag at around 70 to 75°F in a tent, on a sleeping mat, wearing some clothes. For every 10°F below that you need an inch of down filling. In a sleeping bag that means half an inch above you and half an inch below you. So you can work out how warm a down sleeping bag will be by measuring its thickness once it’s shaken and puffed up fully, and for each inch of total thickness it should keep you warm at 10° below 70°. So a down sleeping bag that is 4 inches thick in total should be warm at 30° F. It’s a useful way to estimate how warm an older sleeping is, as the ‘comfort’ temperature given can be misleading. A sleeping bag with a long zip can be opened out as a quilt in warm weather. Use a good sleeping mat or pad. Usually I’d want two foam mats of about 8mm each. They fold up easily for packing. Decathlon usually have them but don’t use yoga mats, they’re too heavy.

Get a 3ful lanshan if u need cheap

I've just got a lanshan and heading out on Monday, will let you know how it holds up. I had the hyena || which was great but was a little small for my 6'5 ass

The Lanshan design really doesn't allow for airflow. Leaving the door flaps open at night and camping far away from water was the only time I didn't have tons of condensation on the walls. After three years of sleeping with a towel near my head, I ditched the Lanshan. Many other tents have a ridged velcro-covered "stick" to keep vent flaps open, and nearly all of them have two vents, so air can actually flow.

I am 6'3", have both and used them a bunch (when I take people hiking they get the Lanshan and I get the xmid). The Lanshan is terrific- like some have said, you will need to seam seal. But I have found it can be even roomier than the xmid as long as you use the two side wall guyouts. There is a technique where you take a stick, wrap the guyout around it near the top and then continue to the ground and into a stake. This pulls out those sidewalls and makes it seem so much bigger, especially for head room. That being said, my original silpoly xmid2p is a near perfect tent and the one I use on most trips. My only gripe is the large footprint can sometimes be problematic in heavily wooded or uneven terrain. I believe the Lanshan is silnylon, so based on your climate I would go with an xmid. It won't sag in heavy rain and won't absorb water if you have to pack it up slightly wet.

I’ll second the lanshan. Surprisingly good build quality for the price. I like that the 1p only requires one trekking pole to set up. I have the pro version and it’s like 650g or something… Otherwise I’d also absolutely recommend the X-Mid. Probably the best overall tent on the market and reasonably priced

3fUL lanshan if he uses trekking poles, or naturehike cloud up for a freestanding tent. if he wants to hammock: onewind aerie hammock and 12' onewind winter tarp package. for both he needs insulation underneath him and on top of him. a sleeping bag is not enough.

That's what I got. Should be here this week. The Lanshan is the model from 3f UL but it needs trekking poles

Mongar 2 UL will be the best freestanding tent on your list It's a toss-up between the x mid and the 3ful. Depends on if you want the top top quality or saving money. 3f UL isn't bad it just isn't the x mid.  All these UL options are fragile, don't forget. UL great needs to be treated carefully

Get a lanshan :) I have one and it is amazing

I don't know how any of those name-brand tents made it into a "budget" list. You may be able to find older models of the BA tents on clearance right now, in which case they do actually approach "budget" status. From those, I would choose the Copper Spur for livability, but everyone's different. If you are open to trekking pole tents, look at the Lanshan tents. Lightweight, proven and actually a budget friendly option. Even some of the Amazon knockoffs can be okay for the price (and I'm not one to usually utter that sentence) - I have a $100 knockoff from a nothing brand on Amazon that I've actually gotten so much more than my money's worth out of over the years. Weighs a kilo. It's a gamble, though. With big brands at least you get warranty support.

The tent is too big for me. I don’t mind the internal space (but it is more than I need) but the footprint is huge and tough to stake out in the PNW. Length is great for my height but it is really wide. I’m 5’10”. Also the tent just doesn’t seem to pitch as easily as my Lanshan. If I have tons of space, pitching isn’t bad, but often I’m compressed in a smaller area, or I target an smaller area because it is flatter and getting a good pitch is hard due to the massive footprint. I really don’t like the rainbow zipper. Have to unzip a big length of it to get out. The tent acts as a bug trap at the top outside the mesh. So having to open the mesh and it falls down means bugs in your tent. Also it’s just tough to get out of unless you unzip the rainbow like 90% or more. I liked my Lanshans zipper better where you can unzip and the mesh hangs down keeping bugs out while you stick your feet out and put your shoes on. Also the rainbow zipper is oddly low for how tall this tent is, I think they just copy-pasted the rainbow dimensions from the duplex. When getting out I oftentimes snag my back on the top of the rainbow zipper. There is so much extra mesh above it, they could have made it higher up leading to a bigger door. I don’t like the trekking pole extension. I am always paranoid I will lose it and bringing more stuff like that runs counter to UL philosophy. It also makes pitching the tent more difficult because it is spring loaded so you have to keep the pole under a lot of tension while staking out the tent. Last, the vestibule doors are a PITA to latch together. The hook is far away from the tent zipper (due to the size of the tent) so it is a reach to do and the tent is usually quite tensioned out making pulling a door to the latch harder. There are a ton of things I like about this tent but these are the things that have really stood out to me.

The Lanshan has the guy line for the doors connected with the guy lone for the top of the pole, so the doors are less 'pointed down'.

If you use trekking poles, it’s hard to beat a 3F UL Gear Lanshan. Still relatively reasonable cost and very lightweight for the money. If pitched right, they take on just about any weather.