3F UL GEAR - Lanshan 1 Pro

A one person tent is going to be small no matter what you buy. You could get a pack cover and keep your pack outside the tent to give yourself more room or look at a nice two person tent like the Mongar 2. A trekking pole tent will almost always be significantly lighter than a tent with poles. Naturehike and 3F UL make excellent quality tents. I have and have used several of them. The trekking pole tents in this class of tents are going to feel the smallest and will be harder to get a good pitch in less than ideal conditions. But they will be the lightest. Tents with poles are easier to pitch and will perform better in less than ideal conditions such as uneven or slanted ground. They will also feel a little larger than the Lanshan 1. If you don’t mind the extra weight of tent poles, get one of these. If you need the lightest weight possible then get the Lanshan 1 Pro since it’s a single wall tent. Regarding poled tents, I thought the Cloud Up 1 was good but it is a bit of a struggle to wriggle in with a front end door then pull the pack into it. It would be good to ask on the backpacking forum although they generally don’t like the Chinese tent companies.

I have the Lanshan and the X-Mid. Both 2 Pro. Both are terrific tents. The Lanshan is perhaps the better value because of its low price. The X-Mid is the better performer because of its lighter weight and clever design. Both are fine 2 person tents with excellent materials and well performing layouts; although both are cramped for two people.

Naturehike and 3F UL make good quality, inexpensive backpacking tents. They can be had on Amazon. I’ve got a Mongar 2, Lanshan Pro, and Cloud Up models and have had great experiences with all three.

Of the two you've linked the Indie is the better tent - has more space and headroom. The Ranger is a coffin - might as well get a bivybag. Some other options: [Macpac Sololight](https://www.macpac.co.nz/macpac-sololight-1-person-tent-v3/121720.html?dwvar_121720_color=Citronelle%2FWoodbine&dwvar_121720_clearance=no) [Macpac Microlight](https://www.macpac.co.nz/macpac-microlight-1-person-tent/114084.html?dwvar_114084_color=Kiwi&dwvar_114084_clearance=no) [Macpac Duolight](https://www.macpac.co.nz/macpac-duolight-2-person-tent-v3/121721.html?dwvar_121721_color=Citronelle%2FWoodbine&dwvar_121721_clearance=no) On Aliexpress, search for 3F UL gear lanshan 1 pro or 2 pro [The Durston X-Mid 1 and 2 ](https://durstongear.com/pages/tents)are great tents but need trekking poles or sticks for for support. A 3mx3m square flat tarp is what I use when the sandflies/mosquitoes aren't bad.

So if you're concerned about weight the most common style lightweight tent is a pyramid style hiking pole tent. They take a little bit of practice to set up right, but are great from a weight/cost/cover perspective. The Lanshan is a good place to start with this style. [https://3fulgear.com/product/ultralight-tent/lanshan-1-pro/](https://3fulgear.com/product/ultralight-tent/lanshan-1-pro/) Freestanding tents (one's with included poles) swing wildly in style and price. When you're looking just be aware that space can be super restrictive in some 1 person tents, and a lot of people buy the two person version because they can fit their pack with them. On the (more expensive) side there is something like this: [https://www.rei.com/product/248685/msr-hubba-hubba-1-tent](https://www.rei.com/product/248685/msr-hubba-hubba-1-tent) While a more budget friendly similar option is this: [https://www.rei.com/product/216298/rei-co-op-trailmade-1-tent-with-footprint](https://www.rei.com/product/216298/rei-co-op-trailmade-1-tent-with-footprint) A really common, very very nice, two person tent is this one from big agnes: [https://www.rei.com/product/164193/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul2-tent](https://www.rei.com/product/164193/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul2-tent) While a more premium 2p tent is this guy here: [https://www.rei.com/product/238835/nemo-hornet-osmo-ultralight-2p-tent](https://www.rei.com/product/238835/nemo-hornet-osmo-ultralight-2p-tent) Personally I think out of all them the hiking pole pyramid tents are the best, but some people hate them because of set up and condensation. Other options are hammock set ups (I personally love these) and bivy bags.

I have the lanshan 1 pro which is of good quality and can recommend it. Second for the seam sealing as being an approachable process, it requires a quick practice ti get used but it's worth it, especially if you got the space/time to do it.

For around $100 it is about as good as it is going to get, and is plenty to hit some overnighters where you hike 5-6 miles out. Design is solid, but it is quite heavy and will be felt if the trails you are hitting have a lot of up/downhill or high mileage. For under $200 you can get Lanshan 1 pro, and for around $250 you can get a Durston X-Mid 1. Both are of course fair bit more expensive, but also \*much\* lighter, which depending on exact backpacking plans you have may be a significant advantage.

The Lanshan 1 Pro, new model with the T Door fly that opens both right and left side. Is super lightweight (650 gr or about 24oz). Sets up with one trekking pole, takes a small amount of real estate to set up in. Only downside is the tent needs to be seam sealed. Best seam-seal is use clear silicone, in a cup, dilute with paint thinner until it has a consistency of pancake syrup, paint on liberally to all the seams with a small paint brush or sponge brush. The whole process takes about a half hour, allow a couple hours to dry. I’ve had mine for a few seasons and I’ve done multiple hikes on the JMT, very happy with it. Current price: Ali Express: $155 US. https://preview.redd.it/9hb53qnkmute1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b2bd2ac4a6ba6b33ce6bb622defdd99ce599b6f

Buy cheap, buy twice - I live by this. I think you'd be better to replace your big three one at a time, maybe one per year to suit your budget. If you go for a cheap option now, you'll be replacing it in the future, just invest in the best pieces of kit slowly so you don't waste money over the years. I've gone from cheap budget kit to mid-range, switching from tents to tarps for the weight saving and recently coming back round to tents but in the mid to high end. I'd highly recommend the Thermarest Neoair XLite and Xtherm pads, absolutely fantastic. I have a Lanshan 2 classic and a 1 Pro, excellent tents but still mid range - for their price to weight ratio they are brilliant to get you going. Boo to the people telling you to use Google. It took me a moment to send this response and am happy to answer questions and share my experience if it helps you get the right gear for your adventures - Google is a minefield of equipment, the experience from those here will help you narrow down your options. What seasons and what kind of shelter preferences do you have? All year? Pole vs walking pole? Solo vs two man? Mountain tent for brutal weather, or more fair weather camping? Provide this information and you'll get more helpful answers.

This. I'm a huge advocate for Decathlon but there's nothing the MT900 does that Lanshan can't also accomplish..

Lanshan 1 Pro is a great bargain tent. Light, cheapish, and pretty solid in a storm.

I have used one of these for a while and second this suggestion. It is a decent tent for the price.

I'd still go for a Lanshan 1 Pro

I have a Lanshan 1 Pro and it does suffer with some condensation issues in some weather conditions, but almost any tent at that weight and price will be single skinned and suffer from the same issues. I've got to ask, why the focus on such a lightweight? Are you new to the hobby, or moving from more traditional tents to ultralight? If it's the former I would say you'll find the Lanshan 1 Pro to be more than sufficient, however I wouldn't get too hung up on a few hundred grams as you'll find plenty of other ways to lighten your pack as you gain experience. If you're already experienced then fair play and hopefully you find what you're looking for. I find a lot of the current obsession with ultralight gear comes from US based social media, where they are hiking hundreds of miles in fairly stable weather conditions and typically light winds. Some of their gear and traditions just don't work too well over here in our very wet and windy climate and it can be worth carrying a bit of extra weight to avoid having a miserable time. Obviously still in moderation with a focus on staying light, but the tent is the very last bit of kit I'd reduce the weight of after figuring out everything else due to how crucial it is.

I absolutely loved my Lanshan 1 Pro. I loved it so much that I eventually wore it out. It's like the Lunar Solo, except lighter, cheaper, and easier to pitch.

my 13 year old uses her own lanshan 2 pro, has used it for 2 years now. I use a lanshan 1 pro. maybe your kids can split one tent?

Paria Outdoors has a 3lb, 1p freestanding tent that is only like $160. Lanshan 1 is trekking pole tent that is only 2lbs and costs $130 shipped. (Before tariffs)

Get the bag last (or at least once you've decided on the others) so you know it will fit/ how much your bag will need to be able to comfortably carry. UL bags are mostly frameless so you'll want an idea of loa/ bulk  before you choose one.  Sleep gear will be very dependent on what type of temps you plan to be in/ what you're comfortable with. With your sleeping bag, plan it with the rest of your sleep gear in mind as all the pieces work together to make you warm enough, warmth to weight will depend on the entire system not just the bag. A lower rated bag with a warm mat will feel a lot better than the opposite for instance. I can take my bag well below its rating with a good pad setup.  Tents are where a lot of personal preference is going to come into play, and also where you need to choose between various pros and cons- DCF tents will be unbeatable for weight, but don't tend to last as long and are *very* expensive. There are good lightweight options that aren't too expensive such as the lunar solo, lanshan pro's etc.  Trekking pole tents will be lighter if you plan on using poles but will take a little practice to pitch. a single wall tent will generally be lighter but you'll have to deal with condensation. There's no perfect answer and a lot will depend on your preferences and your budget.  Once you have the rest of the kit planned out, you'll have a good idea how much you can downsize (and lighten) your bag. The other commentor is also very accurate, at a certain point you start to hit some very harsh diminishing returns and you'll pay a lot for every gram saved.

Yeah the CloudUp is super nice. HOWEVER… you’ve already discovered r/Ultralight… why not take it a step further? Get a trekking pole tent (or a tarp)! I seriously recommend checking out 3FUL’s Lanshan trekking pole tent. I used it for 1000 mi on the PCT and it’s absolutely spectacular OR, get the “Twinn tarp” from Gossamer Gear, everything on their site is like 1/3 off right now!

Well the first thing is: Lightweight - cheap - performs well. You can only pick two from that list. So that pad is pretty light, it’s cheap but it will not perform well. By that I mean it doesn’t protect you from bunps in the ground and will not insulate well. So in summer on top of soft, even grass you’ll do fine as long as you are a solid sleeper. In colder weather on lumpy harder ground, you will be cold and uncomfortable. If I was pushed for budget but wanted a capable lightweight 3 season sleeping pad, I’d get a 2nd hand XLite Neoair with the winglock valve. People are selling them to get the new NXT but they’re great pads. The main issue is they’re a bit crinkly. Tarp is eaay, DD Superlight. They are pretty darn light and well made and well priced. However just sleeping under a tarp leaves you open to moisture sometimes (and sometimes it’s too windy to get a tarp pitched without perfect pitching gear and location) but worse you would be exposed to midges and mosquitos so you tend to need a bivi to go with it. That sorta adds up to a tent-like setup and I do camp this way but it can easily be heavier and less comfortable/practical in some situations. SoI would recommend using trekking poles if you hike and if you tarp, get some pitching cups from wild sky gear (make it easy to rig a tarp to your polea) or consider then get a light trekking pole tent. A secondhand Lanshan is the best budget option by far in my opinion. Just read up on if you want the 1 or 2 person size and the regular or the pro version (pro isn’t necessarily better depending on your priorities). They are excellent, such value for money, very tried and tested. The non pro has a detachable interior that can he pitched on it’s own like a ‘bug bivi’ and on a warm still night you can just camp in that alone or add a tarp high up overheas in case of light showers. Hope that helps. Ask more if you have more questions. I’m heading out on a trip right now myself so depending on signal and when I stop, might take a while but I will reply P.s I’m using a tarp and bivi setup on my current trip but that’s using high-end DCF material gear so my groundsheet, bivi and poncho/tarp cost around £600-700 and you have to import them from the USA too. But I’ve had plenty of fun on army surplus gear that cost a fraction of that amount. This is my main hobby and I’ve been doing it for over 20 years. So don’t think I’m being a gear snob

Can confirm. I started out with the Lanshan only to buy the Durston a year later. The Lanshan isn’t bad per se, the Durston is just so much better :) I got the Durston on an online marketplace in the Netherlands, maybe you can find something similar in your country.

I am 6'3", have both and used them a bunch (when I take people hiking they get the Lanshan and I get the xmid). The Lanshan is terrific- like some have said, you will need to seam seal. But I have found it can be even roomier than the xmid as long as you use the two side wall guyouts. There is a technique where you take a stick, wrap the guyout around it near the top and then continue to the ground and into a stake. This pulls out those sidewalls and makes it seem so much bigger, especially for head room. That being said, my original silpoly xmid2p is a near perfect tent and the one I use on most trips. My only gripe is the large footprint can sometimes be problematic in heavily wooded or uneven terrain. I believe the Lanshan is silnylon, so based on your climate I would go with an xmid. It won't sag in heavy rain and won't absorb water if you have to pack it up slightly wet.

I’ll second the lanshan. Surprisingly good build quality for the price. I like that the 1p only requires one trekking pole to set up. I have the pro version and it’s like 650g or something… Otherwise I’d also absolutely recommend the X-Mid. Probably the best overall tent on the market and reasonably priced

3fUL lanshan if he uses trekking poles, or naturehike cloud up for a freestanding tent. if he wants to hammock: onewind aerie hammock and 12' onewind winter tarp package. for both he needs insulation underneath him and on top of him. a sleeping bag is not enough.

I don't know how any of those name-brand tents made it into a "budget" list. You may be able to find older models of the BA tents on clearance right now, in which case they do actually approach "budget" status. From those, I would choose the Copper Spur for livability, but everyone's different. If you are open to trekking pole tents, look at the Lanshan tents. Lightweight, proven and actually a budget friendly option. Even some of the Amazon knockoffs can be okay for the price (and I'm not one to usually utter that sentence) - I have a $100 knockoff from a nothing brand on Amazon that I've actually gotten so much more than my money's worth out of over the years. Weighs a kilo. It's a gamble, though. With big brands at least you get warranty support.

The tent is too big for me. I don’t mind the internal space (but it is more than I need) but the footprint is huge and tough to stake out in the PNW. Length is great for my height but it is really wide. I’m 5’10”. Also the tent just doesn’t seem to pitch as easily as my Lanshan. If I have tons of space, pitching isn’t bad, but often I’m compressed in a smaller area, or I target an smaller area because it is flatter and getting a good pitch is hard due to the massive footprint. I really don’t like the rainbow zipper. Have to unzip a big length of it to get out. The tent acts as a bug trap at the top outside the mesh. So having to open the mesh and it falls down means bugs in your tent. Also it’s just tough to get out of unless you unzip the rainbow like 90% or more. I liked my Lanshans zipper better where you can unzip and the mesh hangs down keeping bugs out while you stick your feet out and put your shoes on. Also the rainbow zipper is oddly low for how tall this tent is, I think they just copy-pasted the rainbow dimensions from the duplex. When getting out I oftentimes snag my back on the top of the rainbow zipper. There is so much extra mesh above it, they could have made it higher up leading to a bigger door. I don’t like the trekking pole extension. I am always paranoid I will lose it and bringing more stuff like that runs counter to UL philosophy. It also makes pitching the tent more difficult because it is spring loaded so you have to keep the pole under a lot of tension while staking out the tent. Last, the vestibule doors are a PITA to latch together. The hook is far away from the tent zipper (due to the size of the tent) so it is a reach to do and the tent is usually quite tensioned out making pulling a door to the latch harder. There are a ton of things I like about this tent but these are the things that have really stood out to me.

In my experience I’ve found the copper spur to be a very upright & tall tent, whenever there is high wind the tent does get blown over and flattened out. I rather take my old vango or lanshan in windy conditions to be honest. Copper spur is a great tent though literally my only issue with it.