3F UL GEAR - Lanshan 2 Pro

If you use trekking poles, get a trekking pole tent e.g. Lanshan 2 pro. Barents outdoor have some interesting tunnel tents. Helsport and Hilleberg too, but they are somewhat heavy. I wouldn’t worry too much about Big Agnes tents in the wind. As long as you pitch it well it should withstand most summer weather. Fjellanders have a nice trick to be able to pitch the tent fly first. Check out the used market for good deals. I'm taking my Tigerwall UL3 or Lanshan2 pro into the mountains this summer - depends on if I'm going biking or hiking. Hardangervidda, Jotunheimen or Senja - depends on the weather forcast. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21zGzIpqMyI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21zGzIpqMyI) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8XUEpsRME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8XUEpsRME)

You can make the same thing as Anders did with just some string with the correct lenght and some knots/loops at the three ends. Color code it for ease of use. The only trekking pole tent I have ever used is the lanshan 2 pro.

TNF Stormbreak 2P is a good tent. It's heavy at 5.5lbs /2.6kilos range. It's quick to set up. Utilizes clips instead of sleeves. Water-resistant bathtub floor with taped seams. It's a decent mesh-to-solid ratio, though I'm not sure why the top of the dome is solid. It's not the best design for stargazing / big open sky. You may want to expand your search and look into trekking pole tents. Trekking pole tents will offer you the most weight savings. There's a bit of a learning curve to trekking pole tents, so you will need to do practice pitches. The Lanshan Pro 2 (3 season) is affordable. You'll have to seam-seal-it yourself, but that's cheap and easy to do. Durston X-mid is a lot nicer than the Lanshan. But it's also more expensive. Alternatively, you could go straight up bushcraft with a tarp and bug net combo. Mountain Laurel Designs' Cricket Pyramid tarp is pretty neat. Though you'll definitely get rained out without a bathtub.

Of the two you've linked the Indie is the better tent - has more space and headroom. The Ranger is a coffin - might as well get a bivybag. Some other options: [Macpac Sololight](https://www.macpac.co.nz/macpac-sololight-1-person-tent-v3/121720.html?dwvar_121720_color=Citronelle%2FWoodbine&dwvar_121720_clearance=no) [Macpac Microlight](https://www.macpac.co.nz/macpac-microlight-1-person-tent/114084.html?dwvar_114084_color=Kiwi&dwvar_114084_clearance=no) [Macpac Duolight](https://www.macpac.co.nz/macpac-duolight-2-person-tent-v3/121721.html?dwvar_121721_color=Citronelle%2FWoodbine&dwvar_121721_clearance=no) On Aliexpress, search for 3F UL gear lanshan 1 pro or 2 pro [The Durston X-Mid 1 and 2 ](https://durstongear.com/pages/tents)are great tents but need trekking poles or sticks for for support. A 3mx3m square flat tarp is what I use when the sandflies/mosquitoes aren't bad.

Yea definitely realistic in that price range so what you’ll want to look out for is the packed weight. Aim for a tent under 1.8kg to keep your pack light. The 3F UL Lanshan 2 Pro hits the sweet spot of being lightweight, spacious for two, and pretty decent priced. Imo- - MSR Hubba Hubba NX 2 - Alpkit Soloist [11 Best 2-Persons Tent for Camping and Backpacking](https://alaskanarrows.com/11-best-2-person-tent-camping-and-backpacking/) can help with any other options you might want to gauge with, just remember to find one that would be able to handle different camping environments, from rocky terrain to high elevations - sturdy stakes and guylines would be really important for stability in wind

Save weight and go for a hiking pole tent. Get a 2p tent. I got a Lanshan myself. Was looking at the 1p, but the little bit of extra weight was worth the extra space, so I got the 2p version.

Setup can be just as fast as a freestanding tent, but might take some getting used to. There are methods to set up when the ground isn't fit for pegs (like on rocks or even sand or snow). I like it because I'm hiking with trekking poles anyway, and my tent it super light. I am quite tall, so went for the 'pro' version, which is single wall and has a little bit more room inside than the non-pro version. Condensation can be a thing in certain areas or when there's not enough ventilation. Could be a reason to choose the non pro version with inner tent maybe. Good quality for its price imo!

"3FULGear" and "Naturehike" have all the tents you need If the big brands are too expensive. Well proven and reviewed tents between $120-$250.. I personally wouldn't pay an extra $200-$300 for weight savings if it's solely for bikepacking. But if you also hike a lot then the Xmid is absolutely worth it. (I'd get the Xmid 2 personally though) If you ride flat handlebars most 1.5kg - 2kg tents will be perfect in a handlebar cradle/bag. But you could also stuff the tent fabric and just strap the poles to them, or to the frame somewhere.. (SOME SUGGESTIONS) NATUREHIKE: (comes with inner tent, rainfly, poles, pegs, footprint and bags for each) 1- Cloud up 2 (super quality for the price, used, loved, and reviewed all over the world, also beat several high-end tents in YT wind tests. +Seam sealed, and includes footprint. (Con: the walls form a triangle because it doesn't have a cross pole so it doesn't have as much shoulder room) 2- Mongar 2 (a replica of the MSR hubba hubba which is a superb tent, very spacious and super easy to set up and take down. No color coding needed because it is symmetric. It also comes with a footprint and is seam sealed (maybe a con: this has an all mesh inner tent so it's best for warmer months) 3FULGEAR: (comes with the same things as naturehike, but might even be a tad better quality, no proof though) 1- Floating Cloud 2 (this is another replica of the MSR hubba hubba, but here you can choose a 4 season inner with less mesh and more fabric, also has more neutral colors than the Mongar2) 2- Lanshan 1-2 (this is the most popular budget trekking pole tent which means it is ultralight but it doesn't come with poles.) (Con: like most trekking pole tents it is not seam sealed)

I have a Lanshan and the Cloud 2UP. The Cloud is a solid tent that ai have used dozens of times in rainstorms, heat and every thing in between. One night I slept out in a storm on a granit dome and it was perfect. The Lanshan however, would be fine in the ri g ht conditions. In the rain or cool, expect to get wet inside from all the condensation. The foot of my sleeping bag was saturated and I often got drops on my face. There's no way I could spend 2x wet nights in one.

Are you going places where pegs might be difficult to get in the ground ? If yes, the go the Cloud Up (I’ve got the 1p it’s good). If no, then go the Lanshan, it’s a bit roomier inside and a bit lighter. Both are very good tents.

Then Lanshan!

In my experience I’ve found the copper spur to be a very upright & tall tent, whenever there is high wind the tent does get blown over and flattened out. I rather take my old vango or lanshan in windy conditions to be honest. Copper spur is a great tent though literally my only issue with it.

I would look at a lanshan. I have their 2 person tent and it weighs a little over 2 pounds. They aren’t real expensive and will give you enough room for you and gear undercover.

my 13 year old uses her own lanshan 2 pro, has used it for 2 years now. I use a lanshan 1 pro. maybe your kids can split one tent?

I’m 197cm. I had a lanshan pro 2 and it was way too small, both hair and toes got soaked from condensation. I have an x-mid pro 2 now and it’s manageable if I pitch it very well and position myself carefully, kinda wish I would have gone for the 2+ though. Tarptent dipole looks interesting too, although it seems very heavy for a 1 person single wall shelter that costs that much.

Lanshan 2!!!!! Used it last weekend great lightweight tent. Just needs trekking poles. No need to spend all that money

That was the one i was gonna recommend for your budget :) that's why i asked if you used poles or not. It's a really good budget tent, i got it for 150e in Europe. I would recommend the 2 and not the pro for the double wall, especially with a dog where you might have more condensation. The space inside is amazing you won't be disappointed.

Lanshan 2 (not the pro) is great to start. Do mine for 150€ and recentely upgraded after few years. The pro version is single wall but I would recommend the extra 100g for the double wall version, it changes everthing...

I have a Lanshan 2 which is similar (Chinese brand) and it’s been great for me. I’ve seen one Naturehike tent out in the wild too and the person using it seemed very happy w it

From experience I can say for sure that the Lanshan 2 and Lanshan 2 Pro (they use slightly different materials) are totally waterproof in rain and strong winds. Hydrostatic head is really not that useful of a metric for modern tents and higher doesn't exactly equal better, as once you get to the point that no water can get in you won't see any improvement from increasing the HH.

From experience I can say for sure that the Lanshan 2 and Lanshan 2 Pro (they use slightly different materials) are totally waterproof in rain and strong winds. Hydrostatic head is really not that useful of a metric for modern tents and higher doesn't exactly equal better, as once you get to the point that no water can get in you won't see any improvement from increasing the HH.

I’ve used my Lanshan 2 in heavy downpours and didn’t have the outer walls collapsing, you may want to make sure your pitching it correctly. I highly recommend the lanshan 2, great value.

I got my Lanshan 2 UL tent direct from China on Aliexpress. It’s been a great tent, price is very reasonable and shipping only a couple of weeks.

I have no idea why you've been negged for this. 3F UL make great gear that's cheap and lightweight. I'm not sure where they think their OEX, Vango, Forclaz gear is being manufactured... The only thing to note about the Lanshan 2 is you'll need poles.

I have been using a Meir Lanshan (needs hiking poles as part of the set-up) and I really like it. It took me a little while to get good at rigging it for storms but now I have weathered some serious winds and rain and it has held up well. It weighs about 2 lbs and is cheap.

borah bivy and their solo tarp. $170. 12 ounces. a bivy and a tarp is going to be super minimal, but Borah gear is a good business. reputable backpacking tents are going to be harder to find. naturehike has the semi-freestanding cloud up budget models less than 4 lbs. 210T fabric and lighter 20D fabric. You can find them on sale depending on the color for $150. Lanshan 2 is a 2 person trekking pole tent. lightweight, uses your trekking poles. $150 for 3 season, there's also a footprint for $30 if you're hard on tent floors.

3fUL lanshan if he uses trekking poles, or naturehike cloud up for a freestanding tent. if he wants to hammock: onewind aerie hammock and 12' onewind winter tarp package. for both he needs insulation underneath him and on top of him. a sleeping bag is not enough.

Lanshan 2 has been working out great for me and my kid! I got the flames creed brand on AliExpress, it came seam sealed. I'm 5'3 and it's plenty roomy for both us and all our stuff.

why would you ever need to cover a bike like that? Never crossed my mind. Just get a 3UF Lashan 1kg 2 man tent

Depending on how sturdy you require check out the nature hike cloud peak 2 (or similar) and the lanshan 2. I've had both and they are both great for different situations. Nature hike is great in bad weather / wind. The lanshan is super light 2/3 season tent and great for good weather / mild wind but I wouldn't want to summit camp with it in winter.

I have the Lanshan 2, been using that this summer. Good vestibule space for cooking and storing your gear overnight. Two entrances & vestibules, can sit up when I'm sitting on my sleep pad. I'm a similar size and weight to you, 180cm and 84kg. Weight all in is 1.4kg, that's including an additional footprint.

my Lanshan 2 has the outer wall collapsing inside, therefore making a perfect arrangement for eh water to get through. I would stay away from it

Can’t recommend this enough. Remember it’s a pole tent too.

3FUL Tents are great quality for the price, but you're not going to fit three people in a Lanshan 2. The Qingkong 3 would be more suitable for three people. #

Lanshan 2 is a perfectly decent tent for the price point, I have no complaints about mine other than the typical trade offs that style of trekking pole tent has, but the durston X-mid 2 is not much more and is probably a better value.

I suspect the x-mid 1 would feel bigger but not by much, at least inside the tent, vestibule space would be considerable bigger. A 2 person would certainly give you plenty of space. I have the lanshan 2 and it's a perfectly decent tent for the price, but I think the x-mid could be worth the cost difference for the easier setup and sil poly fly material. The price difference in the US is a bit less than the EU though. Also, you're comparing a single wall tent to a double wall. IMO for your climate a double wall makes more sense.

How do you like the protrail? And is it the dcf version? I’ve been eyeing that tent to upgrade from my Lanshan 2. Despite being only 5’8” my feet and head touch the sides of the Lanshan and my quilt was wet at my feet and my beanie was wet this past weekend. Protrail seems like it won’t have this issue and it’s about a pound lighter. I’ve heard of issues with it being wet in an absolute downpour or being full of condensation. Seems like it’s roomy for a 1 person though.

XMid2—buy once, cry once. If not, the Lanshan 2 (not the pro version) comes seam-sealed from the factory. If not, the Gossamer 2.

I have the cloud up 2 ul 10d for this purpose and it seems to be fine, seeing I've only used it once. Also have the lanshan 2 with the 5 part carbon poles for bikepacking, I use trekking poles for hiking so only use the carbon ones for bikepacking. Can recommend both but there's a lot more room in the lanshan.

Yeah the CloudUp is super nice. HOWEVER… you’ve already discovered r/Ultralight… why not take it a step further? Get a trekking pole tent (or a tarp)! I seriously recommend checking out 3FUL’s Lanshan trekking pole tent. I used it for 1000 mi on the PCT and it’s absolutely spectacular OR, get the “Twinn tarp” from Gossamer Gear, everything on their site is like 1/3 off right now!

I have the regular and pro versions of the Lanshan 2. Never had an issue with either. Just have to vent the tent correctly.

Lanshan 2 Pro gives a few more inches of space being single wall on the roof. I’m 6’2” and it perfect. Leaves enough room at my foot and head for a bit of gear.

If you use trekking poles, just get a lanshan 2, they are super light and pretty roomy

Durston X Mid 2 Solid would be my first choice at that budget. Plenty spacious inside for two, loads of head height, two large vestibules, lightweight and a doddle to pitch. Another option is the Lanshan 2 which ticks many of the boxes of the Durston at half the price. It has to obviously compromise to achieve this but it's arguably the best 2 person lightweight tent on Earth for the money. Full disclosure, I am biased as hell, I have a Lanshan 2 and absolutely adore it. That being said if I had £300 to spend on a tent it would be the Durston.

Lanshan 2. Weighs nothing, well within budget, big enough to sleep two and has two large vestibules.

I seriously considered getting one of these last year when I was looking for a general use hiking and wild camping tent. Actually I considered getting the version with the one person inner as that two person inner is utterly useless if you need to cook in bad weather. I loved the pyramid shape, the enormous vestibule (with the one person inner) and the carry weight. In the end I got a Lanshan 2 as I wanted the benefits of large vestibule space and a larger inner tent.

At that pricepoint there are two clear standouts in my view. If you use trekking poles (or want to start) then the Lanshan 2 is an incredibly lightweight and capable tent for the price point. Decent living space, plenty of height to sit up and two decent sized vestibules for admin. Some people complain this is a difficult tent to pitch but honestly mine goes up in 5 minutes and is rock solid. If you don't use trekking poles then the Naturehike Cloud Peak 2 is phenomenal. Bags of space, again 2 vestibules and it is bombproof.

Do you use walking poles on your hikes and will be using it in relatively good weather (as in you wouldnt be going to a summit in a named storm)? If so, go Lanshan

I can't afford an Xmid yet but that is my end goal as well. For now I got a Lanshan 2 for $110 on sale

For £200 it's *got* to be one of the Chinese jobs - 3Ful, Naturehike, whatever... You're not buying a Durstan, or a Nordisk, or a Terra Nova, or a Hilleberg, but in many cases you're buying 70/80%+ of those for anywhere between 20 and 50% of the price. Go for the Lanshan, and get trekking poles - and here's the thing, you've not been worried about carrying tent poles around with you, despite not using them except when pitching the tent, so.....

I'm going to recommend looking at two different designs - the first, a tunnel tent (£350 for a Nordisk Oppland 2SL, £200 for Naturehike Opalus 2), which are spacious, and which are between 2.5 and 3kg) and the 'trekking pole' tents like the Lanshan 2. The Lanshan tops out at about a Kilo, but needs two trekking poles, and there's an art to putting it up. Many people swear by them, and you'll find plenty of pictures of them in pretty grim weather. But, but... As we go into autumn and winter, I find that the space of the tunnel tents is a god send. Sitting in a little space for 18 hours in the rain and wind is no fun - having the huge space of a tunnel tent means being spread out, being able to cook inside... I've got the Nordisk and the Opalus - they're effectively the same design. The Nordisk is the more capable tent in grim conditions - stronger fabrics and poles, flysheet almost touching the ground to keep out the wind and rain - while the Opalus has more ventilation making it better for summer, it gets less hot during the day because it's a thinner fabric and and it's a lighter shade of green. I take the Oppland when it's me, in the mountains, and the weather could be *poor*, the Opalus when I've got the kids and it's warmer/drier.

I was exactly the same. Actually got as far as ordering (and then cancelling) a Tarpstar as I decided to opt for a Lanshan instead (I now have a 1 and a 2). The ability to completely open up the side of the Lanshan made the difference for me, and I've certainly enjoyed using it.

Lanshan 2 is similar to X-mid 2 weight at half the price. Can use the saved cash on other gear? Needs seam sealing if I remember rightly. Super easy to do on a dry day with the tent pitched. Hoping to go hiking with my little one this summer for the first time, too.

I thought trekking poles were for middle-aged people only. I’m strong and fit and I can climb a mountain without them. That attitude stopped me from discovering how extremely beneficial they are for anybody who carries a bag up a hill. The benefits are many. The bottom line is that all mammals that run around on the mountain are quadrupeds. Having poles (when used properly), turns you into a 4 legged beast, more stable, more power, less stress on the legs alone. You can go further, faster and better with trekking poles. They are more effective at protecting you from injury than wearing boots vs trainers. They reduce wear and tear on your knees which if you want to be a lifelong outdoors person, it will really pay off when you get past 50. They come in handy if you have to cross a bog or navigate a few kilometres of tussocks. They make climbing a great big hill easier and your legs are fresher at the top. I started using them in my late 20s when I hurt my knee. I watched a load of videos and practised the various techniques carefully. And very quickly, I was converted. Now (nearly 40 long since healed from knee issues), whenever I’m going on a challenging walk whenever I care about my performance or I’m carrying a heavy bag, I always use them. Considering a tent is going to need poles anyway, rather than being additional weight, it seems very weight efficient to me that such very useful tools also keep your tent up at night. I have also owned a Lanshan 1 Pro and a Lanshan 2 with both interiors. They are excellent tents. Really the very best budget option for the UK. So if you are on a budget the weight saving you get with these, more than justifies the extra weight for some trekking poles. So I think you had it right the first time! P.S I went from Lanshans to a Tarptent Notch Li, I’ve just got the latest version of that tent from USA and am selling my other one on ebay. So if you wanna stretch your budget and get something a cut above a Lanshan (600g tent!) then check Ebay for my Notch Li! I’ll give wildcampinguk members a little goodwill discount, cause I love this sub and all it represents.

Well the first thing is: Lightweight - cheap - performs well. You can only pick two from that list. So that pad is pretty light, it’s cheap but it will not perform well. By that I mean it doesn’t protect you from bunps in the ground and will not insulate well. So in summer on top of soft, even grass you’ll do fine as long as you are a solid sleeper. In colder weather on lumpy harder ground, you will be cold and uncomfortable. If I was pushed for budget but wanted a capable lightweight 3 season sleeping pad, I’d get a 2nd hand XLite Neoair with the winglock valve. People are selling them to get the new NXT but they’re great pads. The main issue is they’re a bit crinkly. Tarp is eaay, DD Superlight. They are pretty darn light and well made and well priced. However just sleeping under a tarp leaves you open to moisture sometimes (and sometimes it’s too windy to get a tarp pitched without perfect pitching gear and location) but worse you would be exposed to midges and mosquitos so you tend to need a bivi to go with it. That sorta adds up to a tent-like setup and I do camp this way but it can easily be heavier and less comfortable/practical in some situations. SoI would recommend using trekking poles if you hike and if you tarp, get some pitching cups from wild sky gear (make it easy to rig a tarp to your polea) or consider then get a light trekking pole tent. A secondhand Lanshan is the best budget option by far in my opinion. Just read up on if you want the 1 or 2 person size and the regular or the pro version (pro isn’t necessarily better depending on your priorities). They are excellent, such value for money, very tried and tested. The non pro has a detachable interior that can he pitched on it’s own like a ‘bug bivi’ and on a warm still night you can just camp in that alone or add a tarp high up overheas in case of light showers. Hope that helps. Ask more if you have more questions. I’m heading out on a trip right now myself so depending on signal and when I stop, might take a while but I will reply P.s I’m using a tarp and bivi setup on my current trip but that’s using high-end DCF material gear so my groundsheet, bivi and poncho/tarp cost around £600-700 and you have to import them from the USA too. But I’ve had plenty of fun on army surplus gear that cost a fraction of that amount. This is my main hobby and I’ve been doing it for over 20 years. So don’t think I’m being a gear snob

I have a Lanshan 2 tent that’s just under 3 lbs when you include poles. If it’s warm I use a sleeping bag liner, which is just an enclosed sheet, and a quilt. Both together pack down smaller than a sleeping bag. You should also consider a sleeping pad and pillow in your weight calculations. All my sleeping gear minus the poles fit in a 15L dry bag.

Lanshan 2 is an option. The Lanshan 2 pro has the drawbacks others have mentioned. I have the 2 with both the 3 and 4 season inners. Its a great tent. I gave it to my son when I bought a zpacks. Still going strong after 5 years.

If you live in an area with lots of condensation or humidity, the 2 would be better than the pro due to the condensation issue. I live and hike in the Sierra Nevada so we rarely get rain during the three seasons. But I have used the Lanshan 2 in the winter several times. Given where you'll be camping I'd be looking at double wall tents even if the lanshan doesn't work for you. Also note the lanshans are trekking pole tents so you either need trekking poles or something like the 48 inch version: [https://zpacks.com/collections/tent-poles](https://zpacks.com/collections/tent-poles) (there are other brands that might be cheaper but these are known good). And you need to seam seal certain spots on the lanshan. Almost all of the seams are taped, but there is a loop on the fly that needs to be sealed. You can find youtube videos about how to do it.

I don't know how any of those name-brand tents made it into a "budget" list. You may be able to find older models of the BA tents on clearance right now, in which case they do actually approach "budget" status. From those, I would choose the Copper Spur for livability, but everyone's different. If you are open to trekking pole tents, look at the Lanshan tents. Lightweight, proven and actually a budget friendly option. Even some of the Amazon knockoffs can be okay for the price (and I'm not one to usually utter that sentence) - I have a $100 knockoff from a nothing brand on Amazon that I've actually gotten so much more than my money's worth out of over the years. Weighs a kilo. It's a gamble, though. With big brands at least you get warranty support.

I just returned this tent because of how terrible it was. I have a Lanshan2 that I absolutely love but I wanted to try something a little different. This tent is very poor quality and impossible to get taught. It’s missing some key design features that would make it a reasonable tent.

Buy cheap, buy twice - I live by this. I think you'd be better to replace your big three one at a time, maybe one per year to suit your budget. If you go for a cheap option now, you'll be replacing it in the future, just invest in the best pieces of kit slowly so you don't waste money over the years. I've gone from cheap budget kit to mid-range, switching from tents to tarps for the weight saving and recently coming back round to tents but in the mid to high end. I'd highly recommend the Thermarest Neoair XLite and Xtherm pads, absolutely fantastic. I have a Lanshan 2 classic and a 1 Pro, excellent tents but still mid range - for their price to weight ratio they are brilliant to get you going. Boo to the people telling you to use Google. It took me a moment to send this response and am happy to answer questions and share my experience if it helps you get the right gear for your adventures - Google is a minefield of equipment, the experience from those here will help you narrow down your options. What seasons and what kind of shelter preferences do you have? All year? Pole vs walking pole? Solo vs two man? Mountain tent for brutal weather, or more fair weather camping? Provide this information and you'll get more helpful answers.

My Lanshan 2 Pro has a lot of headroom (while sitting).

Get the bag last (or at least once you've decided on the others) so you know it will fit/ how much your bag will need to be able to comfortably carry. UL bags are mostly frameless so you'll want an idea of loa/ bulk  before you choose one.  Sleep gear will be very dependent on what type of temps you plan to be in/ what you're comfortable with. With your sleeping bag, plan it with the rest of your sleep gear in mind as all the pieces work together to make you warm enough, warmth to weight will depend on the entire system not just the bag. A lower rated bag with a warm mat will feel a lot better than the opposite for instance. I can take my bag well below its rating with a good pad setup.  Tents are where a lot of personal preference is going to come into play, and also where you need to choose between various pros and cons- DCF tents will be unbeatable for weight, but don't tend to last as long and are *very* expensive. There are good lightweight options that aren't too expensive such as the lunar solo, lanshan pro's etc.  Trekking pole tents will be lighter if you plan on using poles but will take a little practice to pitch. a single wall tent will generally be lighter but you'll have to deal with condensation. There's no perfect answer and a lot will depend on your preferences and your budget.  Once you have the rest of the kit planned out, you'll have a good idea how much you can downsize (and lighten) your bag. The other commentor is also very accurate, at a certain point you start to hit some very harsh diminishing returns and you'll pay a lot for every gram saved.

The ultralight tent review page on outdoor gear lab has a great visual. Smallest is a tarp. I’ve used a Lanshan 2 and with compression you can get it even smaller than that visual. Not much. But a bit smaller. If you want to consider a bivy/tarp combo, check out Anda ultralight. His 1P system fits in a 1L Nalgene. If you want to diy, Stitchback gear has a free bivy and tarp pattern in the article section. [tent visual](https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-ultralight-tent)

there are two versions: pro and regular (and regular has itselt mesheir 3season and less-mesheier 4season version, tho i'm not sure it's ever meant to be used in that 4th season). pro is a bit better fabric, but comes non-sealed from the factory, is a single layer. It's more expensive (im seeing prices near 200€), but you do save a few grams. then there is regular (non-pro, quick look around 150€ish), which is factory seamsealed (idk, mine helds fine), has two layers that you can separate: they are connected via hooks, so you setup both at once, but you have the option to separate them (for example, if you need to dry the outer or just want to have a mesh-only night). Bit less room because of the mesh (outer dimensions are the same, just subtract room outer between the mesh), so you won't be putting 10inch thick matresses, but i guess you wouldn't do that anyway with ultralight gear. if i put my tent on a scale with everything (strings, stakes, bag etc), it's bit over 900 grams, but i upgraded some of the stakes that came with it. The typical silicone treated nylon is pretty thin and with extended wet conditions, it will stretch a lot (like many budget tents anyway), but it's not as bad as many think and even tho streched, it still holds. I wouldn't take it to pacific northwest or scotland for long trips or some thruhike, but for a typical use, it'll be fine. i'd say for a weekend warrior or less wet conditions, regular is bit more user-friendly, the only thing you have to check is that you should buy "new" or "plus" or "2021" or whatever they call it version. From that, they upgraded dimensions to be the same as pro and it's a big upgrade. Old version was way too short.

Own the pro 2 and xmid2. Both are really big tents, and great tents. You'll be able to sit up easily and get changed in both. They have big footprints. So keeping hold of your lanshan 1 is a good shout. The xmid2 has two advantages. The fabric does not sag and the walls by the feet and head are steeper. At 6ft, you'll just about be fine with the lanshan. I'm a bit taller and if the ground is sloped (so im sliding down the floor) and rain has caused the fabric to sag, then the my footbox or head could touch the fabric. This isn't an issue with the xmid. There is a bonus advantage in that the xmid2 is easier to pitch (needs less stakes) The lanshans advantage is the price. At your height both are viable, but the nonsag fabric of the xmid is a huge plus in rainy climates that you'll be hiking in.

I am 6'3", have both and used them a bunch (when I take people hiking they get the Lanshan and I get the xmid). The Lanshan is terrific- like some have said, you will need to seam seal. But I have found it can be even roomier than the xmid as long as you use the two side wall guyouts. There is a technique where you take a stick, wrap the guyout around it near the top and then continue to the ground and into a stake. This pulls out those sidewalls and makes it seem so much bigger, especially for head room. That being said, my original silpoly xmid2p is a near perfect tent and the one I use on most trips. My only gripe is the large footprint can sometimes be problematic in heavily wooded or uneven terrain. I believe the Lanshan is silnylon, so based on your climate I would go with an xmid. It won't sag in heavy rain and won't absorb water if you have to pack it up slightly wet.

The Lanshan 2 Pro is a single wall tent so condensation will be an issue in damp conditions or cool conditions with poor ventilation. I found it helpful to have a small microfiber cloth in the tent with me (well, sleeping gear too and maybe some clothes) to do a wipe down in the morning before I started moving around. It is nice setting up a single wall in the rain and not having to deal with the inner. There are two different versions - one for winter, and one for three seasons. The three season version has mesh side panels, the winter (or four season) version has thin cloth side panels to reduce flow-through ventilation. Since you're in Scotland, you will likely be better off with the three season version so you have some flexibility with managing ventilation. Pole height is a great way to control overall ventilation, especially when you can't leave a door open. The lower the tent top is to the ground, the less air will flow underneath it. Raising the pole height an extra inch or two will allow more air to flow underneath while still mostly keeping the rain off your stuff. I think the quality of the Pro is excellent and it's very light. Be aware that you have to seal the seams and guy out attachments. It's easy to do and the tent comes with a syringe and instructions. I used the SeamGrip version made for silnylon fabrics diluted 50/50 with mineral spirits. There's a trick to getting a taut setup - stake out two loops on the long side of the tent floor/ground cloth then install the pole on the opposite side and stake out the vestibule on that side. Stake out the other two corners of the floor/cloth then put the final pole in and stake out that vestibule. No matter how good your initial setup, silnylon will sag a bit in wet weather. You might find additional tips and hacks for the Lanshan on YouTube.

I have the Lanshan and the X-Mid. Both 2 Pro. Both are terrific tents. The Lanshan is perhaps the better value because of its low price. The X-Mid is the better performer because of its lighter weight and clever design. Both are fine 2 person tents with excellent materials and well performing layouts; although both are cramped for two people.

I own the Xmid two (non-pro) and I had a Lanshan 2 Pro. I've tried sleeping two adults and a dog in the Xmid. I would not recommend it. The dog is going to be sleeping on your mat and if they are wet your sleeping bag will be soaked through in no time.

Look up the lanshan 3ful 2 person backpacking tent on aliexpress, Amazon or ebay. Should be able to find one for under 100 but you will need to seam seal and get new stakes. In my opinion this is the best one or two person entry level ul tent. I've had one for 5 years, countless hours of enjoyment. They stretch unlike dyneema, so always remember to tighten them up after initial setup. The only time I've been wet in that tent was when I setup in a low spot, my fault lol

I have the Lanshan 2. It's a solid tent for the price. Just make sure to reseal the seems on the tarp (the anchor for the rope on the sides) as they tend to not be sealed properly. I did that once and had no issue with water leaking even in thunder storms.

I second the Lanshan 2P (or 1P) good value, can be bit finicky to set up, and needs a couple of mods, but lightweight for the size and durable for the price. Have been using mine for 3 years now

Lanshan 2 Pro is a great tent for the price, an absolute palace. If I had the money and really wanted a 2 person I would go Xmid just because it's higher quality, not a Zpacks rip-off. The Lansahan is Fine. I've seen some storms with it and been peachy. I'm looking to move to an Xmid pro just because there is too much room in the Lanshan. I simply don't need it all and it makes pitching in sneaky wildcamps harder. ETA: I had to seam seal the Lanshan, twice, and spray the fly with silicon to stop misting.

You'll find the Lanshan pro 2 very spacious coming from the 1! The two pole setup provides shoulder room for sitting up in a way that pyramid tents never do. It should solve your issues.

I got rid of my lunar duo and I wouldn't recommend anyone buys one if they are planning to hit alpine regions for the same reason I don't recommend the lanshan 2 pro. I don't think that it's a bad tent by any stretch and SMD makes incredible gear BUT those huge panels at the end of the tent make for a truly awful experience in windy conditions. Now, granted I probably pushed the tent a bit hard, but when it was rainy and windy I absolutely did not trust the tent. The wind deflection was awful, I got wet when it rained, and the whole tent shook. It was a palace but for anything that isn't mild nice weather camping, I wouldn't.

Lanshan 2 - great 2 person trekking pole tent. Non pro version is double skinned and weighs in about 1200g

Can confirm. I started out with the Lanshan only to buy the Durston a year later. The Lanshan isn’t bad per se, the Durston is just so much better :) I got the Durston on an online marketplace in the Netherlands, maybe you can find something similar in your country.

For budget my recommendation would be the Lanshan Pro 2, your not going to get much better.

For less than $200, the Lanshan 2 or the pro 2 is a good option. It's popular as a budget trekking pole tent. If you don't already have poles, I use $30 cascade aluminum trekking poles from amazon and they're solid and reasonably light if I'm carrying them instead of using them. For a little more money, I really like my Durston Xmid 2, but it's \~$260.

Lanshan 2, seriously. Me and my partner did the West Highland Way, TEAR, Offa's Dyke, various Lake District trips, etc with one and it was completely fine

I'd opt either for the Xmid or a Lanshan2 (a cheaper version of the GG but actually better built IMHO).

A friend had one in Albania. He was.with his dog. We just crossed a pass and a storm came in, really strong. Tent was up in no time (he rightly pitched it lower to block wind better) and held until the storm passed, something like 4 hours. Dog was really scared of thunder and lightning but was quite happy in the vestibule. My splitwing leaked (so much for not needing to seam seal it!), the Lanshan2 didn't. I changed my splitwing with a cirriform, he kept his Lanshan2 and continues to use it with the dog.

The Lanshan 2 Pro is pretty compelling for the price. I don't like the peak vent design, but otherwise I really prefer it over the GG2. It comes in cheaper and lighter than the XMid 2, but the XMid is much more livable and better built and more stormworthy.

Naturehike Cloud Up 2 or Naturehike Mongar UL 2. I have the cloud up but like better the Mongas. There are various versions of the Cloud Up 2 with different prices but also weight. I have the cheaptest and heaviest of them all at around 2 kg, but it's fine as when I go with a friend I must go to his/her pace which slower. If you check the Mongar be sure to choose the UL version. The price of that last time I checked was very competitive. That's for freestanding tents, for UL trekking pole tents you can't go wrong with the Lanshan 2.

Check out the OEX Jackel 2, plenty of room and really good-sized porch area for cooking in. Its a tank, very solid tent but that comes at a 3kg weight. Lanshan 2 is also a good shout if you use poles but it would not be as strong as the OEX. I think are under £150

I’ll second the lanshan. Surprisingly good build quality for the price. I like that the 1p only requires one trekking pole to set up. I have the pro version and it’s like 650g or something… Otherwise I’d also absolutely recommend the X-Mid. Probably the best overall tent on the market and reasonably priced

I love love love my Lanshan 2. I don't typically use trekking poles. So with the carbon fiber poles I bought for it, it weighs in at around 2.5 lbs. It cost me about $150. I've had it in very windy and raining conditions with no issues. Packs up really small, too.

The Lanshan 2 Pro needs to be a contender. I’ve given mine lots of abuse over hundreds of miles and countless Wild camps and it’s never let me down. Cheap, light weight and the brown colour is super stealthy.

I got the Pro which is a single skin Lanshan. It’s slightly lighter than the ones with the mesh inner. I used it in -5c last week with no issues other than a bit of condensation. Highly recommended. I’ve got the more expensive Gossamer Gear “the one” but I much prefer the Lanshan 2 Pro. The extra space is great.