Copper Spur UL4

Summer/hot I use a big Agnes copper spur ul4 Fall/winter/early spring I use an old north face ve-25.

Folks on r/GearTrade sell a lot of good stuff. You might want to look at 2 tents (as someone mentioned) one for scouts and one for the family. Big Agnes Copper Spur comes in a 4 person and is a super solid tent.

Yep, this. It’d be more practical to look at an REI Base Camp 6 or Nemo Aurora Highline 6 right now for frontcountry family trips. The kids aren’t old enough to do the CT yet, but even when they are something like a Nemo Dragonfly OSMO 3 or a Big Agnes Copper Spur 4 would be a good choice for OP and his sons. They can each help carry part of the tent.

Another vote for the BA Copper Spur UL line!! We have the 2 person and now as a family of 3 plus two mini Aussies we have the 4P. Love these tents, so spacious!!

If you’re coming from a Hubba mindset, you’re going to be happiest with a “real” freestanding 4p that has a solid rainfly, full-coverage fly, good vents, and a bathtub floor. A lot of the big “family” tents leak or sag in storms mostly because of fly coverage + poles + poor staking. A few that are commonly recommended in that $400–500 range and actually do well in heavy rain: big agnes copper spur hv ul4 More technical build, good materials and design, solid in storms if you stake it properly. It’s lighter than you need for car camping, but it’s a nice bridge from backpacking to family camping. Downside is the lighter fabric needs a bit more care with a kid + dog. msr habitude 4 More “family friendly” shape with good headroom and still msr quality. Not as light as the copper spur, but it’s designed to be livable and handle weather well. nemo aurora highrise 4p (or aurora 4p) Roomy and easy to live in, good rain protection when fully guyed out. More comfort-oriented but still better-built than the typical big-box family tents. rei base camp 4 More storm-forward design. If you get real downpours and wind, this style tends to feel more confidence-inspiring than the super airy “summer family” tents. A couple practical notes for “midwest surprise storms” regardless of tent: * prioritize full-coverage fly + lots of guy-out points, and actually use the guylines * practice staking and tightening the fly before you need it * footprint is optional, but a groundsheet cut slightly smaller than the tent floor helps keep water from pooling under you * for kid + dog, interior space matters more than the “4p” label; some 4p tents feel like a tight 3p once you add a dog Quick question: are you mostly camping in wooded state parks (less wind, more humidity/bugs) or more open sites (more wind)? That can push the choice toward a more ventilated tent vs a more storm-focused one.