Swagger Ultimate Darkroom 3P Tent

Honestly, people recommending $300+ tents for simple car camping are nuts with money to burn. Used a 12 year old, $60 coleman this year in the rain, was fine

A lot of people in these subs are either unlucky or spoiled. I just gave my 3-person, $60 Coleman tent I bought roughly 12 years ago to my sister to use, as I needed to upgrade to a 4-person now that I've got a toddler. It rained when we went out this year, and it didn't didn't leak. I waterproof sprayed it about 10 years ago, so I doubt that even did anything other than permanently stain it a bit as I can still where I went over the seams with the spray lol People preaching "you get what you pay for" have to say that to justify spending $800 on a tent when their doing the same kinda camping I'm doing (car camping) with less space than me lol

We used a 3 person Coleman tent for almost a decade of car camping and a few years of back country winter camping. It held up through tornado warnings, snow and rain. We finally upgraded this year because the zipper and the poles were starting to go. It was well worth the $70? we spent on it.

I feel like location may be a big factor. My troop mostly car camp. Very infrequent backpacking. I’m in Missouri and a $40 Coleman 2 or 3 person is a great starting point. If they stick with it upgrade from there.

That’s what I have minus the porch option, works great.

Are you saying there's no point in camping if you don't want to be up with the sun?

So you've kind of answered your own question. It doesn't make sense to you so don't buy one. I've been camping for going on 30 years and we bought one and it's fabulous. I don't find that it adds any extra bulk or weight, it wasn't really more expensive, and we enjoy the extra sleep in. Don't buy one if you don't want one but leave everybody else alone about it if they do.

Then it isn't a good one. My dark rest tent does not let any light in whatsoever except a few specks where the zippers are.