The One

I’ve used both and I don’t like the A-frame design or the nylon fabric on the GG One. The Durston tents have more useable space and better materials IMO. If those trade-offs work for you then the One is a great tent and very light and inexpensive comparatively. I’m 6’4” so that’s definitely a factor for me.

If you want a lighter setup, get a backpacking quilt, a trekking pole tent. If you can go to an REI in person, head to the sleeping pad section and try them all out. Better to find out in Rei than in the mountains that you dislike how the sleeping pad lies. If you must have a free standing tent, check out the x-dome 1, it’s lightweight and has a simple setup, but is quite storm worthy. If you’re willing to buy trekking poles (you should, they’re great), try the Xmid 1 or the gossamer gear the one. Gossamer gear the one is lighter but is a single walled tent. If you don’t expect to deal with much moisture, it would be my choice. While you’re on gossamer gear’s site, pick up a 1/8th inch closed cell foam pad. It does a great job of protecting your sleeping pad from pokey things and also will stop the sleeping pad from shifting at night. It’s also useful as a sit pad. Highly recommend. Backpacking quilts: there are lots of good recommendations. Get a wide hammock gear burrow if you want a down quilt, it’s extremely warm at the rated temperature and is 30% off now, discount added in the cart. Enlightened equipment is also having a 20% off sale right now, their quilts are good. If you want a synthetic quilt that’s less expensive, try Simply Light Designs quilts. synthetic quilts will keep you warm even when wet, but they are bulkier than down quilts. I love my simply light designs quilt, message me if you want one and need help with the options, or email the owner, Jared, who can help you. Simply light designs makes some of the best backpacking gear around. The less weight your carry the happier you will be! There is lightweight gear for every budget.

If you use trekking poles then your answer Is a trekking pole tent. I have a 1P the One from Gossamer Gear and an Arches 2P from Paria both of these are good value for the cost. Neither one is best in class.  Both are sil-nylon which is a PITA when wet but pack down really small.

FYI you don't need a tent that pitches fly-first, because you don't need to add weight and complexity with a double-wall tent in the first place. The GG The One is single-wall, and about as light as it gets for a non-DCF tent

> because they are often lighter That's false, and you've been corrected more than once in other comments. Why post misinformation? > most of the marketed "ultralight" trekking poles tents are made to order and take 6 weeks to come That's not true either > An X mid 1p is 1lb 14 before you add the weight of your trekking poles which are about 5 oz at the lightest X 2 Sigh. You've already been corrected that a tent pole for a non-freestanding tent is 2.5 oz or less. There is no sense in adding the weight of a trekking pole. Why? Because backpackers using a freestanding tent may *also* be using trekking poles. Are you gonna count those to their shelter weight as well? For a hiker carrying trekking poles, a nonfreestander is the lightest option. And for a hiker not carrying trekking poles, a nonfreestander is *still* the lightest option. You've also chosen one of the heaviest "1P" shelters that you could, which is the double-wall XMid 1p which has two doors and two vestibules. The volume under the fly has *way* more volume than any 1p freestanding tent at comparable weight. This is why I said in my previous comment that non-freestander are always lighter, *all else being equal*. You cannot honestly compare a *large* non-freestander to a *small* freestander. With comparable volume, fabrics, and features, it is *always* lighter to have a non-freestanding tent. Period. > There's a reason the Fly Creek 2p is likely the most popular tent on any long trail for a reason Again, that's false according to surveys I've seen. But regardless, most people are not hiking UL, and as such the most popular gear choices are never UL ones

I can't tell if you're insanely dishonest, or just dumb. You really can't get this through your head. You seem hung up on the idea that people are *only* going to carry trekking poles so that they can use a trekking pole tent. That's patently false. People carry them either way. That's why they do not contribute to the shelter weight. > you can easily find a "normie" non ultralight shelter with a dedicated pole set that is lighter than a trekkking pole shelter (they are literally called trekking pole shelters for a reason) AND can fit 2 people No, you cannot. Name one, and I'll show you that you're wrong. > You aren't taking less, you are taking more because 95% of people are gonna reach for trekking poles not those carbon fiber things Almost all of those people are carrying trekking poles already, and will continue to carry them whether they have a freestanding tent or not. Do you really not understand that? > You carry your 2 1/2 lbs of 'ultralight' tent and trekking poles if you want. I don't care. My shelter (tarp and bivy) *and* trekking poles together weighs 21 ounces big guy. A Zpacks Plex Solo *and* trekking poles weighs 24.5 oz. Or for more traditional silnylon, a GG The One *and* trekking poles weighs 27.7 oz. Or replacing the trekking poles with carbon tent poles, those are down to 16, 19.5, and 22.7 oz, respectively. Or if you discount the poles (which is the proper comparison to a freestanding tent in the case that the user will hike with trekking poles either way), those are down to 11, 14.5, and 17.7 oz, respectively. Your Big Agnes tent can never compete under any circumstances. > He doesn't CURRENTLY carry trekking poles. The whole "Ultralight" group telling him to get a trekking pole tent and strart carrying trekking poles - which is essentially bring MORE STUFF that's gonna be one of the heavier options for him... I agree, which is why he should use a tarp or non-freestanding shelter with carbon tent poles. That is the obvious solution. Lighter than any freestanding tent. That fact completely demolishes your entire argument, but you're fallaciously dismissing it because dedicated tent poles are "weird" or "crappy" and "wobbly". And you don't even see the irony that those poles are basically the exact same thing as what you're carrying with your freestanding shelter! > don't tell me I can't give my advice from doing this for a long time and watching these marketing trends change over the years. I am indeed going to tell you not to give advice, because you're continually posting misinformation despite being corrected many times. Edit: By the way... > I chose the heaviest 1p shelter to show that UNLESS you buy those crappy, wobbly carbon fiber poles...you can easily find a "normie" non ultralight shelter Do you really not see how it's a problem that this argument of yours only works when you choose the *heaviest* non-freestanding shelter that you can...? This is hilarious. You went browsing for tents to support your argument, found that nothing but the *heaviest* one would work (and only when unfairly dismissing carbon tent poles) and still didn't see why you've been wrong this whole time. That's like making the case that ice cream is bad, and as evidence you provide a scoop from the worst ice cream shop in town, while ignoring all the others. 

No, you are confused. The simple principle is this: when you remove pole segments from a shelter and replace them with stakes the result is *always* lighter, all else being equal. That's the "physics" here. > But sil nylon/sil poly tents weigh generally similar amounts no matter what is holding them up Not true at all. If fewer poles are holding the shelter up, then the result is lighter. We don't even need to talk about DCF, and this has nothing to marking trekking poles as "worn" (which I never do) > dedicated pole sets are often lighter than 2 trekking poles Yes, exactly. That is why a non-freestander is lighter for *both* those that do and don't use trekking poles. A 48" [carbon fiber pole](https://zpacks.com/products/48-carbon-fiber-tent-pole) will be 2.5 oz or less > You can buy those weird carbon fiber poles purpose built for holding up trekking pole tents but those can come in close to weight of a dedicated pole set. No they don't, as I just demonstrated. And what on earth is "weird" about them..? > And honestly they are a pain to use and have no other multi uses on a hike either. They are literally no different than your freestanding pole set in those respects > if you just carry your poles in your hands all day... don't worry isnt not real weight. lol That is not what I'm saying and has nothing to do with this

> The use your carbon poles for 5 oz and someone else will use their tent poles for 7. It's fine. No one is expecting you to whittle some tent poles whenever you get to camp to save 2 oz. lol. This is just disingenuous. My original claim was simply that a non-freestanding tent is always lighter. You replied saying that that was untrue. I then corrected you. And now you're making a different argument, which is that even though freestanding tents are indeed heavier, the weight difference is not large enough to matter. But either way, you're downplaying it, and switching from a freestanding tent to a non-freestanding tent will, in general, save way more than 2 oz. > But talking someone out of a free standing tent because carrying trekking poles which weigh more but are in your hands is somehow more "ultralight" is ridiculous. Again disingenuous. That is not a fair representation of the comments here. People are telling OP that they should use trekking poles for reasons unrelated to their shelter. And in the case that OP is going to try hiking with poles, then they should be used for the shelter too. But I agree with you that OP should not start carrying trekking poles just so that they can use a non-freestanding tent. If they aren't going to use trekking poles, then they should buy a non-freestanding tent and light tent poles. Under no circumstance is a freestanding tent an optimized choice. > now he is gonna go get a Lanshan instead of looking for Fly Creek or Tiger Wall for under $200 and will carry more weight in total because of "ultralight" marketing. It is not because of any marketing. It's simple accounting of ounces. A freestanding tent is never an optimized choice in almost any context whatsoever. > Sure he'll look more "ultralight" on trail but he'll he carrying more weight. That's only true if he carries trekking poles without using them. If he either uses the trekking poles, or replaces those trekking poles with tent pole segments, then no, he is saving weight

Lanshan is a Chinese company. The tent is gonna get the job done and it’s gonna be inexpensive. Durston is a Canadian company and Dan Durston is a very present part of the North American hiking community. You are going to get a better quality tent with superior engineering from someone who absolutely obsessed over optimizing space while minimizing weight. The Durston is going to be less finicky to set up than the Lanshan (no guy lines necessary with the Durston). And the company is know for amazing customer service. They will repair/replace in the event anything goes wrong with your tent. IMO there’s no question the Durston is worth the extra $100. I obviously own a Durston and have drunk the kool-aide. 😂 I really do love my tent. Gossamer Gear is an Austin, TX based company. I prefer the space and weight of my Durston over the GG tent, but I do hike with a GG pack. Again, you’re getting a North American company that’s more likely to stand behind their product.