Hyperlite Mountain Gear - UltaMid 2

>Doesn't exist. Pyramid tents exist. HMG Ultamid 2 weighs 19 oz, although that weight does not include the center pole (which can be two ski or trekking poles lashed together) and stakes (which it needs minimum 4 of, and MSR Blizzard is 3.5 oz for 4).

Yep! All of the ones listed! I'd recommend any of them. That said - I don't know your budget or timeline - but the [Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2](https://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&mi=13582&pw=180150&ctc=xid:fr1758826116172jeb&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhyperlitemountaingear.com%2Fproducts%2Fultamid-2-ultralight-pyramid-tent) is by far the most weather-worthy tent I've ever used. You get what you pay for, though, and that's a $700 tent that's likely subject to import fees.

>I don't know of any single-pole design that would perform better MLD Solomid/Duomid/Supermid HMG Ultamid 1/2/4 Locus Gear Khufu/Khafra Black Diamond Megalight Oware Pyramid Basically any single pole traditional mid with steep sides will do better with snow loading than the two pole and asymmetrical mids.

I'm 6'3" and use an HMG ultamid 2. Plenty of room and I can kind of stand in it. More of a hunches squat but way easier to put on pants than most tents

Feel free to ask me about any of the pyramids you look into, I’ve done quite a bit of research on them. Have the seek outside Cimarron with a stove jack for winter, and the Slingfin Cinder Cone for summer. I took a Hyperlite Ultamid 2 down the Mississippi. So I’ve set them up on rock, sand, gravel, mud, whatever.

My husband and I like the Hyperlite Mid 2 for backpacking; the REI Half Dome 2+ for car camping.

I definitely struggled to get a proper pitch. It's easier with a trekking pole or adjustable carbon pole (the SMD pole is absolutely not the right choice it's too flimsy). I've had to reattach the front guyline, it tore off and the zippers seem pretty flimsy but that's par for the course with tents like this.  The bathtub invariably lies flat at the back of the tent so I imagine you could get some water in there if it really poured but maybe that's to do with pitch.  It's shape gives you some extra room but in practice it's fairly negligible because the back and side walls are sloped more than a typical mid. I thought it would be good for camping with a dog but the back wall is so sloped that there isn't really a lot of space for my medium sized dog (she pushes the back wall up with her back even curled in a ball). I don't think it's bad but by the time you include all the stakes it needs, and add up all the downsides I tend to just take my freelite (it only weighs a bit more and is way more comfortable/drier) or a dyneema mid.

I disagree with the people saying that your question isn't suitable for the UL sub. Ultralight isn't about being below five kilos in pack weight. It's about removing any needless weight for the job you are doing. If you're in 17 miles an hour of course you're going to need a stronger tent than if you're in five miles an hour. And if it's -30 C then your clothes are going to be heavier than if you're in 10C in order to keep you warm. On the topic of the tent question the only genuinely lightweight tent that you will find for four season will be a pyramid or tarp style tent. The MLD Trailstar is exceptional against wind but awful against snow so you need a more classical pyramid shape like the MLD Supermid. A classic pyramid shape will be very good against snow loading as they are so steep the snow can't reach thick enough to cause a collapse and they are still pretty good in wind provided you have a strong enough pole in the center and they came with enough guidelines because some like the hyperlite ultra-mid apparently underperform quite a bit in wind compared to something like the super mid (please will everyone stop calling their tents something mid). Quite a few people sleep on the pyramid 10 ignoring how strong they can be if designed for strength. Designed puts all of the force onto the pole but through compression instead of bending which is the force a pole will be strongest in and so they can survive lots of pressure put on that pole which comes from the wind and due to their fairly aerodynamic shape the wind will also not be applying that much force onto the pole to begin with. But pyramid tents do still have an upper limit, morso in wind than anything else. If you need a stronger tent then you need to ask what exactly you will be camping in to determine what type of tent. A geodesic dome like the Soulo or abisko dome will perform best under snow loading and wind particularly from any direction so if you're in places where wind speed might change often they are very good choice. Tunnel tents however are more weight efficient for the amount of strength and space they give. In the lengthway they might even be slightly stronger than 4 geodesic Dome as they are that little bit more streamline although from the side they will be worse but still pretty strong. The biggest factor of a tunnel 10 however is that the snow loading will be less than a dome tent. But there is a reason tunnel tents are the favorite for expeditions. But also what is your pack size because if you are cross-country skiing because the snow is that deep and pulling everything on a pulk to make it a lot easier to carry the weight you need then having the extra space in a tunnel tent will be very helpful. If the snow isn't all that deep and so you're able to just walk with boots or snowshoes and stick everything in a pack then a dome will probably be the best as for the same way you can get a lot stronger and so take it out in even worse conditions then you are planning. And lastly if there's just going to be high wind instead of very high wind then a pyramid tent will be more than adequate. The scarp is a strong tent, I'm not really sure how you're getting it to double the price unless hillerberg offers Swedish discounts because in most places they are half the price of a hillberg. The Xmid2 isn't really cut out for Swedish winters. It's fine under snow loading because of the steep angles and can reach surprisingly high winds for a two pole tracking pole tent particularly with all the guidelines but is ok up to 45mph (reports of higher but even Dan himself said he doubted those reports). For through hikes and what most people will be doing in ultralight that is more than strong enough but Scandinavia and the UK receive very high winds in winter and you will normally assume you will experience at least a 40mph and if the weather becomes worse than expected it won't be unrealistic to say that you might experience 60mph on any large hill or mountain at least once a week and quite often not all that predictable for when it will happen. A couple other brands you should look at are Fjallraven, Nortent and the Nordisk Seiland. All are Scandinavian manufacturers. Terranova makes some strong four season tents such as the Southern cross which might be the lightest weight four season tent you will be able to find that is a classic tent instead of a pyramid tent. But you really need to ask yourself what you will actually be doing on these hikes. If you are summit camping then you will need something like a nallo, Seiland or abisko dome because nothing else could be strong enough for the wins that you might get. If you are camping in the forest however the trees will massively reduce the wind you receive and so even an X-mid could be strong enough and a pyramid tent will definitely be strong enough.

Tarptent DR LI is great but for 2 people + gear it’s a bit cozy. I’d look at 3 person tents - ZPacks Triplex, HMG Ultamid, and I think Tarptent has some 3 person tents too. https://preview.redd.it/70ryh7hoa8jf1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b3eb6fca572dee4e6610c40b05fc5a63e3423ca

Great breakdown of the concepts - for those wanting something that's actually ultralight but still handles moderate winter conditions, the Hyperlite Mountain Gear Ultamid in DCF is probably the best compromise at around 1.5lbs (without inner) and can handle significant snow/wind when pitched properly and dug into snow.