Far Out 2

Keeping to the same format as the previously posted sleeping pad chart, I went ahead and did the tent chart, and then changed it up because there was a lot of feedback about tent pole length being more important than the total volume, which I agree with, and price, so here's all 3 of the charts for tents I made. These are based on what we stock and not everything under the sun. I threw the Lunar Solo and Redverz tent on there for a reference on how small and large tents can get. My focus with Moto Camp Nerd is pack size, quality, and making camping easier. We started keeping the bikepack tents in stock as well as some of the more reliable and quality backpacking tents with 16” pole segments. I have slowly brought in backpacking tents with standard pole lengths per customer request since they didn't see the value in the increased price of the bikepack tent with short poles being $80 or more over the standard tent. Funny enough we've had a hard time selling through them now. Like everything else in camping gear, bigger tents = more materials = larger pack size. We have a handful of requests for tents people can stand up inside, but for the most part, riders seek a tent that they can easily pack into their panniers, cases, or rackless setups and I want to keep the focus on packability instead of stocking everything under the sun. As in my pads post, this is were I get overly in depth. For those who aren't total nerds with gear, another big conversation to be had is that the main two materials being nylon and polyester for making tents play a big part in pack size and weight. Due to poly being thicker and heavier than nylon, it’s going to pack as such, but also at a cheaper price point. One big pro for polyester is that it does not hold as much moisture as nylon does. Have you ever seen a tent sagging after a rain or lots of dew? That's nylon holding water. Now it's still waterproof and doesn't mean you'll spring a leak, but it's something most don't consider when picking a tent. Welcome NEMO's OSMO fabric which is a nylon poly hybrid to give the best of both worlds. Now I'll admit I'm a little rusty on the most modern fabrics because I know polyester has come a long way and is being used by many in their tents and still packing just as small as nylon, but I feel NEMO deserves some credit for bringing this to the space. I haven't brought in any dyneema tents because we only get a couple of asks a year, and for the most part, most riders feel the bikepack tents are too expensive for their needs so it's been hard to justify adding an $800+ dyneema tent, as much as I want one myself for fun. All of these are considered 3 season tents and are great for all year use for most moto campers unless you’re consistently camping in below freezing temps without huge temperature swings. The mesh breathability with a rain fly really help prevent too much moisture build up inside the tent for all the spit we exhale in our sleep along with the humidity. The only time I'd consider a winter tent or expedition style tent would be camping in consistently below freezing temperatures. This sort of leads into double wall vs single wall. Tent body plus rainfly is a double wall setup and the best option for the above mentioned humidity and nice to have the ability to ditch the fly on clear nights and enjoy the air. Single wall tents are just that, single piece of material, more common in the trekking pole backpacking style tents and the super cheap Coleman or family style tents. The backpacking tents like this have a good amount of design behind them for helping prevent moisture build up with better airflow, but its still there. Just like the sleeping pad chart, it was fun to lay this out and see the outliers from the pack. The MSR Hubba Hubba Bikepack seemed a lot smaller than the others when it came into the store, and after mapping it out, and reviewing the specs, I see it. Funny enough, the standard copper spur falls in with the Hubba Hubba, it just has the longer pole sets, but by volume, it's close. Another redditor mention having a chart of these based on interior volume so that will be the next phase. I will say since the Hubba Hubba is rectangular instead of tapered plus being symmetrical it makes if feel much roomier inside than the Nemo, or Big Agnes tents. The best bang for the buck it's a tie between Kelty Far Out 2, and ALPS Mountaineering Helix 2 for motocamping. For the best easy to use small packing tent, I love my Big Agnes Copper Spur, but I feel the MSR Hubba hubba bikepack has pushed it's way ahead as a small packing, easy to use, fully freestanding tent. Semi-freestanding tents use the Y or wishbone style pole configurations and require two of the corners to be staked out to get the full tent volume. These are nice if you want the convenience of moving a tent around like a fully freestanding tent, but also want to shed some weight and pack size. These are: Fly Creek Tiger Wall NEMO Hornet I've sort of brain dumped everything I try to tell new riders to camping here as a reference to answer all the common questions and thoughts. After my last pad post the feedback and comments were great and reminded why I like reddit more than other social media sites. I came from the forum era where information on forums was like the modern library for tribal knowledge and reddit has filled that void as forums phase out.

Check out the Kelty far out tent. It has a rainfly that you can attach and roll back halfway and secure. If it starts raining in the night you can unhook it and roll it down and secure it easily and quickly. I have car camped in Texas summers in it.

I use a kelty 3 man for car camping- it’s light and plenty of room for gear and myself and enough room for the get times my wife came camping. and I like it enough that I got the 2p backpack version. It also probably way und your budget number

I own Kelty, North Face and Marmot backpacking tents, and can attest to their durability, ease of use and agreeable weight. I've used them both in the backcountry as well as when going car camping.

I have a kelty 2 person with doors and rainfly vestibules to the ground on both sides. You can each stow your pack outside your respective doors. Easier for nighttime pee trips too.

My Kelty 2p is barely big enough for 2 people. My partner and I were pressing up against the edges of the tent, causing the tent to push up against the rain fly and transfer all the condensation inside ☹️. It's now my solo / backpacking tent and we use a 4 person for car camping lol.

I have two tents (both kelty brand) a two person for solo backpacking/short trips where bad weather isn’t forecast and a 4 person for trips where I have another person in the tent with me or I plan on having to spend more time in the tent. Totally a reasonable move and the bigger tents really aren’t usually much harder to set up unless you have some huge 10 person multi room situation