MSR - FreeLite 3

We uses this as a family, when we do our four week cycle tours in summer: my wife and me share a MSR Freelite 3 and our three kids share a Blacktail Hotel 3. On rainy days we all five hang out together in the Hotel 3, eat and play games in there. It is a bid heavy, but quite robust. So I don't mind when the kids do their party in there or fight in there about whatever.

I definitely struggled to get a proper pitch. It's easier with a trekking pole or adjustable carbon pole (the SMD pole is absolutely not the right choice it's too flimsy). I've had to reattach the front guyline, it tore off and the zippers seem pretty flimsy but that's par for the course with tents like this.  The bathtub invariably lies flat at the back of the tent so I imagine you could get some water in there if it really poured but maybe that's to do with pitch.  It's shape gives you some extra room but in practice it's fairly negligible because the back and side walls are sloped more than a typical mid. I thought it would be good for camping with a dog but the back wall is so sloped that there isn't really a lot of space for my medium sized dog (she pushes the back wall up with her back even curled in a ball). I don't think it's bad but by the time you include all the stakes it needs, and add up all the downsides I tend to just take my freelite (it only weighs a bit more and is way more comfortable/drier) or a dyneema mid.

I do a few national trails in the Uk, and fit them in when I can. That might mean a train after work, and starting till 8pm or later, last one I started walking at 9:30pm and by nearly midnight had covered 8-miles of mostly canal path. I went past a few decent spots early on then nothing for ages. Eventually found a crappy pitch with no decent pegging, I set off again at 07:00. Wouldn’t have been an issue in my free standing tent, sadly I took a single hoop, and thank goodness it was dry. It certainly allows more freedom in pitch choice. Which the situations you describe might well occur. Have even used the inner indoors just to deter flies/midges. Currently I’m replacing my tent. Hubba Hubba Bike pack 1 is preferred, or possibly msr freelit.

Yes the Freelite is semi, the Hubba Hubba is closer to fully free standing. Still needs the odd pen for fly. It’s not perfect. Freelite is 750g, I don’t see a shelter at 150g except maybe a tarp but then that’s a whole different proposition. Sure the Hubba Hubba adds 600g to a tarp/pole based solution. But if comparing it to no bug net there are significant differences in comfort. And we each have different comfort/discomfort levels.

Big Agnes, MSR, and Nemo are 3 of the best tent brands available. I ran the warranty desk for an outdoor gear company, and saw the least amount of warranty issues with those brands. They’re not inexpensive, but, you get what you pay for. I have a Big Agnes tent that’s at least 10 years old, we use it regularly and only have to hose the dirt off. It’s amazing. Nemo is awesome too, I know a lot of people with Nemo tents and they love them. I just got an MSR 3 person tent and absolutely love it. Definitely get a 2 person tent. The general rule is to take however many people will be sleeping in the tent, and add 1. So 1 person = 2 person tent, 2 ppl = 3 person tent and so on. A 2 person tent is more comfortable for having your gear inside the tent, changing your clothes, etc. If you don’t plan to go backpacking with it, I’d get a 3-4 person tent just for the space.

Just a quick note, after Cubs when they get to Scouts there is no more family camping. So I would go cheap on the "family" tent for now, unless you guys are planning on using it yourselves for separate family trips. Most cub packs only camp once or twice a year. I got my son a three person MSR tent and myself a single person tent. The three person fit him and his buddy perfect. Those sizes are also a lot easier to hump to a camp site. I'd put the extra money in an inflatable pad to sleep on. That makes a huge difference. I used my old closed cell foam pad the first trip with my son and I woke up sore. The inflatable pad was so much more comfortable and kept me a lot warmer.

My only comment on Big Agnes in my experience is that the tents are fragile because they are so ultralight. I’ve had my Copper Spur poles snap twice. BA is great with repairing stuff but it’s not great when you’re in the back country and you’ve got to hold everything together with duck tape just to make it through the rest of the trip. My MSR on the other hand, while a little heavier, seems a lot more substantial while still being a light weight backpacking tent.