MSR - Hubba Hubba LT 3

I've had my MSR Mutha Hubba (now just sold as the Hubba Hubba LT 3-Person) for over 10 years and it is in perfect shape. I reccomend MSR gear to anyone because of how great they've been for service and repair for me over the years. They replaced the shock cords in my tent poles, sent me a video link for how to change them, and gave me some extra tips about how to make it even easier, all for free just because the parts manager felt that they shouldn't have lost the bit of tension so quickly (5 years). I also own an MSR stove and pot set that's over a decade old and they look and work like new (but I also try to take really good care of my gear). For a cheaper tent that punches above it's price point though, just for comparison, I would reccomend the Midori from Eureka, I have a Midori 1 as a spare tent and it's amazing for it's cost, but it hasn't seen enough use to compare it with my MSR directly for wear or waterproofing and such.

1. Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL3 Weight: ~3 lbs 14 oz (trail weight) Price: ~$650 Pros: Freestanding with excellent interior volume Two doors and two large vestibules High-quality materials and DAC poles Good for long trips and moderate weather Cons: Expensive Thin fabric requires some care 2. MSR Hubba Hubba 3P Weight: ~3 lbs 12 oz (trail weight) Price: ~$600 Pros: Excellent balance of weight and durability Symmetrical design, spacious for two or cozy for three Great ventilation and weather resistance Cons: Slightly tighter vestibule space than Copper Spur

I read about the first third of comments, so I may be repeating some of this. Whatever you do, use two separate mats. The motion transfer on an inflatable mat is unbearable, to me, though some don't seem to mind. You can use one of the various products available to lash them together. The Zenvivy Light Double Bed will take care of that part for you, and you should seriously consider it for your sleep system, if you're looking for that close cuddly sleep style. Sharing the weight of a tent you can get more space per pound than a solo hiker. A 2 person tent is not enough for two people in my opinion. If you want a big roomy tent that's light (and you don't want a DCF or pyramid style tent), you have basically 3 options. The MSR Hubba Hubba LT3, the Big Agnes Copper Spur, and the Tarptent Hogback. All will get you around 2lbs per person, but the MSR is a half pound heavier. The Tarptent Hogback will be the most stormworthy and is the only one that can be set up in the rain while keeping the inner tent dry, though the Big Agnes can do this with the extra weight and expense of the footprint. The Hogback is not a freestanding tent, it's a semi-freestanding tent. The MSR gives you more room at your sides, the Big Agness gives you more room at your head and foot, and the Hogback is square so you have the most side room and the least extra head-to-foot room.

My hubba hubba lasted 3 nights before harsh winds in Wales bent the poles 90 degrees. Luckily I managed to warranty the poles, clean the tent and the store accepted the return. So I got my £450 back and spent £350 on an Xmid which has been far more bomb proof in what I reckon is equally strong winds. I also found it being built inner first a big drawback as well as being very drafty inside, as the fly sits quite high up.

Big Agnes, MSR, and Nemo are 3 of the best tent brands available. I ran the warranty desk for an outdoor gear company, and saw the least amount of warranty issues with those brands. They’re not inexpensive, but, you get what you pay for. I have a Big Agnes tent that’s at least 10 years old, we use it regularly and only have to hose the dirt off. It’s amazing. Nemo is awesome too, I know a lot of people with Nemo tents and they love them. I just got an MSR 3 person tent and absolutely love it. Definitely get a 2 person tent. The general rule is to take however many people will be sleeping in the tent, and add 1. So 1 person = 2 person tent, 2 ppl = 3 person tent and so on. A 2 person tent is more comfortable for having your gear inside the tent, changing your clothes, etc. If you don’t plan to go backpacking with it, I’d get a 3-4 person tent just for the space.

Just a quick note, after Cubs when they get to Scouts there is no more family camping. So I would go cheap on the "family" tent for now, unless you guys are planning on using it yourselves for separate family trips. Most cub packs only camp once or twice a year. I got my son a three person MSR tent and myself a single person tent. The three person fit him and his buddy perfect. Those sizes are also a lot easier to hump to a camp site. I'd put the extra money in an inflatable pad to sleep on. That makes a huge difference. I used my old closed cell foam pad the first trip with my son and I woke up sore. The inflatable pad was so much more comfortable and kept me a lot warmer.

I have a Hubba and the ventilation with the fly on is fine (the fly has two velcro openings) , but somewhere like Scotland or Scandinavia (I live in Wales so similar climate) you simply won't avoid condensation if you are pitching on wet ground, particularly if there isn't much breeze. If the air is saturated with water it will always tend to condense on large surfaces like your rain fly.

If this is supposed to be an MSR hubba hubba I can assure you it's not. Those are brilliant tents and even the resale value is close to the original (£400~). My partner has one and it has been through a lot with barely a scratch on it. Would absolutely recommend the real deal. For £24 I would expect maybe a tent peg replacement set. They do have great pegs though

I have two MSR tents for over 20 years.  Both have been outstanding.  That said...it's been 20 years so I cannot vouch for current quality. Make sure you look at all the features you want.  Do you want free standing?  Does it have a vestibule?  Is it long enough to fit your body?  Are you camping in snow (get a four season tent, otherwise 3 season is the language you want to see).  Single wall or double wall. Recommend double unless you need very light weight. If you want a capable tent without a huge outlay of cash...look at the REI ones.  The halfdome specifically has been around for many years. They often go on sale. They also sell other top brands and often on sale or closeout so check that out.  If you buy from REI pony up the extra 20 bucks for the membership. On a tent purchase it will likely pay for itself. I'd also recommend getting the footprint to protect the bottom but you can always improvise one or go without.

Yes! I have the hubba and the hubba hubba.  Both on their second fly (just due to wear not failure) and I did have them send me a couple poles noting taking it in the snow wasn't the best idea.  Still worked though! I forgot we also have the REI 6 person - the basecamp.  It's been great for car camping.

I have two MSR tents for over 20 years.  Both have been outstanding.  That said...it's been 20 years so I cannot vouch for current quality. Make sure you look at all the features you want.  Do you want free standing?  Does it have a vestibule?  Is it long enough to fit your body?  Are you camping in snow (get a four season tent, otherwise 3 season is the language you want to see).  Single wall or double wall. Recommend double unless you need very light weight. If you want a capable tent without a huge outlay of cash...look at the REI ones.  The halfdome specifically has been around for many years. They often go on sale. They also sell other top brands and often on sale or closeout so check that out.  If you buy from REI pony up the extra 20 bucks for the membership. On a tent purchase it will likely pay for itself. I'd also recommend getting the footprint to protect the bottom but you can always improvise one or go without.

Yes! I have the hubba and the hubba hubba.  Both on their second fly (just due to wear not failure) and I did have them send me a couple poles noting taking it in the snow wasn't the best idea.  Still worked though! I forgot we also have the REI 6 person - the basecamp.  It's been great for car camping.

Same. Have hubba and hubba hubba. Both have been outstanding. Second fly for both.

Same. Have hubba and hubba hubba. Both have been outstanding. Second fly for both.

TLDR - Vango make solid cheap tents. If you want fancy go MSR or Nemo. Mid range Terra Nova Wild Country make some exceptional stuff. Avoid OEX. Alpkit make some cracking stuff. For convenience go dome style self standing tents ( ie elixr or Nemo Dagger or MSR) I work in a hiking shop in Scotland and I'm an avid keen hiker and camper. One thing I'd suggest is the tent you use to wild camp, if you care about it, I wouldn't take it to festivals. This is for me any way. My tents are precious you wouldn't see me putting my nice MSR or Nemo tent in a boggy field full of drunks. Personally I'd take any old Decathalon tent to a festival one with a front entry and cross bar easy peasy. Any way wild camping it's a whole different box of frogs. I'm not going to tell you the best because that is largely dependent on what you want out of a tent. So here are some questions you need to be asking yourself and what your priorities are. Am I back packing long distance or do I want luxury? - weight - pack size - Head room - strength of the face fabric Am I a fair weather camper or am I putting my tent through serious duress? - strength of the tent - hydrostatic head - construction of the tent (so these are how the poles are orientated) - shape effects how well it handles wind (wedge low profile = better for wind however less room for you) Do I want free standing or a tent I have to tension? - free standing is great for convenience - tents you have to tension are normally lighter and more Packable. Do I need storage? - Somewhere to store gear from the rain - Vestibule for things like beer and festival stuff Where am I camping? - depends what you mean by wild camping - is it campsites - am I camping on a windy peak or near a loch/ lake Few more things to consider. -I'm sorry but no one is back packing or wild camping in a 3 man tent. You go wild camping in England in a 3 man tent chances are you'll be moved on very quickly. In Scotland. It's very different. 3 man tent you're not bringing very far and I'd be surprised if you can find many spaces in Scotland to put a big 3 man tent. Also do you want to carry a 3 man tent? I certainly don't. You CAN break it up a 1 Carey the poles 1 carry the top sheet and 1 carry the inner. -2 man is a much more sensible option. -Make sure your camping mat fits in it. -Most or if not all 2 man tents are going to be fairly straightforward to put up if you know what you're doing -Go to a hiking shop and ask the folk there. You can actually get in them and have a look yourself. - side entry is a lot easier to climb in and out of. Couple tents I'd suggest that are roughly around your price range I'd say £250 + that covet these aspects 1. Good head room, strong, easy to put up, spacious However they lack in packablity and wouldn't make the best pack packing tents. These normally have 2 side entries. 2 vestibule for cooking in and a cross bar or dome style tent for better space MSR - Elixr 2 Terra Nova - Helm Compact 2 Wild country - Axis 2 (they may not make these any more) 2. Light weight is always going to cost more or you're going to have to compromise on headspace and luxury. Lighter back packing tents tend to be single pile or a 2 poke wedge style tent Terra Nova wild country - Coshee 2 (small wedge - tiny pack size but not a lot of head room) MSR - l hubba hubba like the elixr but light and more expensive Vango - Helvellyn (cracking inexpensive 2 man with decent head room and front entry) 3. Cheap and cheerful no frills place to get your head down for festivals (this is what I'd pick) Quecha - 2 man HM100 (self standing cross pole 2 man. What more can you ask for ) Vango - Nevis 200 (bit of a darling in the hiking/ tent world everyone has a soft spot for this tent. 1 pole bang. Up. Inexpensive. Easy tent and isn't too heavy. Top picks for me. If it was up to me if you want strong and longevity get the MSR Elixr. Little bit of the heavier side but it can handle a lot. If you want a reliable tent thats solid for medium length backpacking and wild camping. Get yourself a helm compact 2 Cheap and cheerful - anything by Vango is going to be solid. Avoid OEX like the plague their stuff is dogshite. I'm sorry they have some serious major design flaws. Avoid the Phoxx 2. Alpkit have some decent tents around that price range - for example the Auronaught 2. Bonus if you made it this far https://www.ddhammocks.com/collections/tents?utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=google_shopping_ads&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21929368775&gbraid=0AAAAAD-IR3dVnNRUuSjzhMDqi_nR2JXg9&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_dbABhC5ARIsAAh2Z-TBB2Q7VWM_b9wkYJ452ExPlpsaw1A2Hp7gwwht6DVUNVt8JbEmWt4aAqscEALw_wcB These guys sell big pyramid tarp style tents. That require one pole and some of them are for entire families. They range from £100 to £150+ they also have midgie nets and ground sheets you can use in conjunction with. Great for a bit of everything. And they have your superlight backpacking/ wild camping stuff I hope that helps.