Naturehike for both, I get mine off aliexpres where they have their own store so you can be reassured it's the real deal. They frequently have sales there that they don't on their main website. Two specific suggestions are the [CW400 sleeping bag ](https://www.naturehike.com/products/cw400-down-ultralight-sleeping-bag)which packs up very small, here's mine next to a Nalgene for comparison:
https://preview.redd.it/fl2kjhl1c9ng1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d3b66d846ed0a2186bf6b9f3b0625e427b4e180
And perhaps their Mongar 2 UL tent? Or, if you're on more of a budget and are okay with it being somewhat heavier, how about [this one](https://www.naturehike.com/products/cloud-river-2-person-backpacking-tent?_pos=2&_fid=2793426a2&_ss=c)
I would go with the Mongar 2 UL. The issue I have with the star River is the way the zipper attaches making it a pain to open and close. It's also more designed for hot weather rather than cold. Both are good tents, but of the ones you mentioned, I'd pick the MongarUL. The only real negative I have with it is the colour (same for the Star River)
Honestly? Neither. I have a Tungsten 2p and it's not my favorite. The Paria's yellow colour is an absolute deal breaker for me (though perhaps not for everyone). Let me ask a few questions and I might be able to guide you a bit better:
* budget?
* where will you be backpacking and for how long?
* what season/temps/any major inclement weather like high winds, etc?
* solo hiking? carry a lot of gear or minimal?
* any weight limits?
Immediately off the top of my head I'd suggest something like the [Naturehike Mongar 2p](https://www.naturehike.com/products/mongar-2-person-ultralight-backpacking-tent). It's a similar price to the Paria, available in a variety of less objectionable shades, and very very good quality. At 6"2 and 210 you're not going to want a 1p tent at all.
Yep! I'd get the Mongar 2p, it has a really cool feature that you can open it up into a covered awning with trekking poles/sticks. Makes a great overhang to cook under if it's raining/really sunny. I can't say for every product but both my Naturehike tents have had zero quality issues, they're actually better than a lot of high end tents in that regard.
Oh boy... too many.
1. Okay we still have our 35 year old family Coleman. haven't used it in 25+ but its sort of a relic to the uppermost shelf of our closet. Like my childhood dollhouse, i just keep it around for sentimentality.
2. My winter tent is a 15 year old dark green 1.5p that's sturdy AF, moderately heavy, and needs to be seam sealed again but still going strong. I don't do a lot of winter hiking so no need to get a new one, just occasionally needs to be re-waterproofed.
3. Lanshan 1, mixed feelings about it. I find it hard to pitch on any sort of rocky terrain and it sure is fiddly, but I really like other aspects about it. Let's call it a draw, Lanshan.
4. Cloud Up 1 pro, LOVE LOVE LOVE this tent other than it's in the beige shade and 2 months after I bought it they released it in dark green. \*pouts I love it so much I may spend the $80 freakin' dollars to get a second fly for it grumble grumble (or maybe I'll just get dark green camo netting and carry it extra)
5. Mongar 2 UL. My latest edition. I needed a 2 person tent and this is a great value and seems really good quality. I've only used it twice but impressions are favorable. It's really big. Maybe that's just because I'm used to 1p tents.
6. Geertop Plume 2 bivy tent. Hmmm... they have bad customer service, let's get that out of the way. It's also polyester and heavy and a bivy so condensation is an issue. All that said, I really like this tent. It's BEYOND stealthy. Heck, in low lighting I can literally stand next to it and barely see it. It's also surprisingly comfortable and well laid out for a bivy.
7. And three bivy bags and a tarp. I haven't really had the chance to try cowboy tent camping yet.
TLDR: 10 if you include the bags and tarp. Favorite: Cloud Up 1 pro, least favorite: lanshan 1
Naturehike Mongar or Cloud up in their 3p version? It's relatively lightweight, affordable, and very well made. My cloudup 1p does really well in rain and wind.
It absolutely depends - if theres no wind, the Mongar will be fine. If there's a 30mph wind with 40mph gusts (hardly unknown) your tent *might* survive, but you'll have a scary night. There's also a good chance is will fail completely - snapped poles, torn fabric, all the good stuff.
If you're going up high, you need to think about what will happen if your tent fails catastrophically at 3am - you've got 4+ hours till it's light, the weather is shit, and if you walk in the wrong direction you're going to fall 1000ft and then bounce down the rest.
Naturehike mongar2 20d version.
I reckon you can get 2 people and if it´s yer gf then it´s fine if it´s even a bit snug.
Large doors and vestibules on both sides too.
Are you asking for recommendations? If so, I have a Naturehike Mongar 2 tent. I go to a camp every June in northern Utah. The spot we go is in a valley and we get 2-3 hours of wind every day. Frequently 50-60 mph gusts. My little tent has never had a problem! Lots of others blow away, poles break. This tent is pretty inexpensive. Under $200.
Springbar makes super quality canvas tents. Their factory is in Utah. They have a compact style, 1-2 people.
I’m looking for some advice for a winter camping trip I am planning. I currently use the Mongar 2, the grey 20D version rather than the new UL model.
For Christmas I will also be getting a Thermarest NeoAir XTherm NXT MAX L sleeping mat and a Snugpak Softie Elite 4 Olive LZ sleeping bag.
My main questions are for people who have camped in the UK in proper winter conditions or in similar climates. First, do you think the Mongar 2 is sturdy enough to handle strong winds at higher elevations in the UK. Second, when paired with the sleeping mat and bag mentioned above, do you think my sleep system will be sufficient.
For the sleep system I expect I should be fine since the mat has an R value of 7.3 and I am a warm sleeper.
My main concern is the tent. I do not want it to collapse in heavy winds or get overwhelmed by rain.
I am open to alternatives for the sleeping bag and pad since they have not been bought yet. I would also appreciate tent recommendations if you feel the Mongar 2 is not suitable. My budget for a tent is around one hundred and fifty pounds because most of my money is going toward the sleep system.
Thanks for the response but I do have some experience with winter camping as I’ve camped at high altitude at Y Garn with a worse tent. My question was asked as I was wondering if people had experienced with this tent. The tent I did it before with had fibreglass poles and this one has aluminium poles so theoretically should be stronger.
Thanks for the advice, and I’ll make sure to be careful of getting something better for harsher conditions. I’m not sure if I can afford anything over £300 for a tent for the foreseeable future.
However, I will say the tent itself does feel pretty sturdy to me of course when used it I did use a spot that was more protected, in the Peak District. I have also seen a few reviews of the mongar in uk winter with snow, albeit not too much snow and the guy did make sure to hit off the snow. But none of those videos actually showed its capabilities against heavier winds.
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