NEMO Equipment - Hornet Elite

Considering a Nemo hornet elite 1p is 687 grams all in, while a xmid 1 is 720 grams *without poles*, it’s hard to legitimately consider the xmid as UL.

I have used that tent family (the Hornet and Hornet Elite) for years in backcountry camping in all kinds of weather including blowing rainstorms. I have never gotten wet. It is a three season tent and it is optimized for "ultralight," it's relatively fragile fabric-wise, especially the Elite, which does not mean it's a bad option for backcountry—I have put hundreds and hundred of miles on mine! It's my go to—but it does mean it's not a good choice if you know you are going to be regularly facing punishing weather eg very high winds and constant rain. TLDR the "bathtub lip" of the tent body is higher on that side to compensate. It's a weight savings. The downside of this design is that you can't use it with only the fly and no tent body in wet weather; I've never done that with any tent (use only poles, fly, and probably a ground cloth) but it's a thing. It's worth noting this tent has gone through multiple product generations now, most recently to the OSMO fabric, without ditching this design. I personally I think the new OSMO versions are the best version that's been made (I have used three generations, I think all of them).

I have used that tent family (the Hornet and Hornet Elite) for years in backcountry camping in all kinds of weather including blowing rainstorms. I have never gotten wet. It is a three season tent and it is optimized for "ultralight," it's relatively fragile fabric-wise, especially the Elite, which does not mean it's a bad option for backcountry—I have put hundreds and hundred of miles on mine! It's my go to—but it does mean it's not a good choice if you know you are going to be regularly facing punishing weather eg very high winds and constant rain. TLDR the "bathtub lip" of the tent body is higher on that side to compensate. It's a weight savings. The downside of this design is that you can't use it with only the fly and no tent body in wet weather; I've never done that with any tent (use only poles, fly, and probably a ground cloth) but it's a thing. It's worth noting this tent has gone through multiple product generations now, most recently to the OSMO fabric, without ditching this design. I personally I think the new OSMO versions are the best version that's been made (I have used three generations, I think all of them).

I would recommend the Hornet. I own 2 Nemo tents. I have a Hornet Elite. I was really worried how it would hold up, but I shouldn't have been. I have had it in heavy rain and wind with no issues. If someone is looking at Nemo I will always recommend the Hornet. The 3p is on sale at backcountry.com. reg it is $549, sale is $439.

That 37in ceiling height on the Nemo is kind of a bummer. This new BA tent is just a roomier tent (and heavier for the area), but it's 40in peak height is also kind of a deal breaker for me to want to bring for long trips. I'm not even all that tall.

I don’t think the X-Dome is ultralight at all. It’s light only if you have to have a freestanding tent and you are expecting strong winds. I wonder if this would be the situation in winter when you might have strong winds and heavy snow loading but there’s little snow on the groubd to anchor tent. Nemo Hornet Elite would be light when it comes to freestanding tents. However, there are lighter and better trekking pole tents.

So basically the Nemo Hornet Elite is still way better and cheaper, got it

Can’t speak for the 1p, but I am 5’11” and have used the 2p elite for over 7000 miles of solo thru hikes. Can sit up in it just fine and the thing has been bomber if oriented well during storms (including a blizzard). If you are moving fast you are usually just horizontal anyways at the end of the day. For slower hikes or with my partner I will use a trekking pole tent as they are the more weight economic option for more space.

UL tents don't add much weight going from 1P to 2P. 2P versions of UL tents are usually only 4-5 oz heavier than the 1Ps. The additional space is usually worth it. Your tent isn't the best piece of gear to sacrifice comfort on. Being able to bring all of your gear inside of a tent during a rain or snow storm is a huge plus. Digging your gear out of frozen snow sucks. Mud sucks. Bugs, ticks, spiders, scorpions, centipedes, and sneks suck. I don't leave my boots outside. If you go with a semi-free standing like the Nemo Hornet Elite, use separate stakes for the foot area of the inner and the rainfly. Staking them separately allows for more control in bad weather.

Regarding Hyperbead vs OSMO, there’s some big differences but basically Hyperbead claims to be permanently waterproof so if you camp a ton, like 30+ nights a year this might be very useful. OSMO has a very high quality waterproofing and should last many years (probably 10+ for the average camper, but likely less if you camp a ton) but it’s big advantage is that it doesn’t sag or absorb water. Hyperbead is made from nylon so I suspect they’ll be some stretch and water retention. If you’ve ever packed away a soggy tent, this is a pretty easy choice. Both brands should be storm worthy enough assuming you use the 4 season tent in really nasty weather. You do have to be more cautious with the Hornet, it has the lightest materials and there is only a single pole on one end so it’s the least wind resistant. The Tiger Wall has essentially the same design so that applies as well. Personally I feel the extra weight of full free standing tents is worth it for the peace of mind in windy conditions. Plus the option of not needing stakes on blue bell days is nice. With a dog always use caution, these are lightweight tents and should be treated with the same care you’d take with an Airmat. Keep a barrier between the claws and the tent and you’ll be fine. You height won’t be an issue. As you’ve heard the NEMO warranty is the best in the industry. I’m not sure what you mean in your last question about the Hornet body panel. Do you mean the fly scoop? The Dragonfly has this as well. Total non issue for me and a big plus in warm weather. If you hate that design, the new generation coming out next year doesn’t have scoops. Personally if you can get a sale now I wouldn’t wait, the updates are similar to what they did on the Dagger, slightly more head space and no more fly scoops.

FWIW, the X-Mid zippers are the same YKK #3 zips you’d also find on the Hornet, Tiger Wall and most UL tents. The PCT is hard on zippers with the dust and sand, but that normally just wears out the sliders, which are easy to swap on the trail (Zpacks has a nice video on this) and then the zipper is normally back to being as good as new. The X-Mid zippers can last the same as these other tents. When there is more issues, it is partly because they are more popular tents, and partly because some people don’t stake out the doors so they end up putting a lot of tension on the zipper. We are working to increase education on how people can service the sliders on a long hike, and also will start including a spare set so it’s easier

Looking at the poles will tell you quite a bit about sturdiness. The Freelite 1 uses DAC NFL 8.7mm poles with a forked design. So one end of the tent has essentially 2 archs of 8.7mm while the other end has a single arch of 8.7mm. That would be comparable in sturdiness to other tents that also use a forked arch of 8.7mm, such as Big Agnes Fly Creek and Tiger Wall, and Nemo Hornet. Tents that use essentially dual arches of 8.7mm at both ends are going to be sturdier, like X-Dome 1+ but also BA Copper Spur, MSR Hubba, and many others. Easton Carbon 3.9 is very similar to DAC 8.7 mm in sturdiness. Then both brands of tent pole makers make numerous stiffer options but with higher weights that would likely put the tent over your 1 kg goal.

I have the Nemo hornet and absolutely love it. I started with a much older model and have used it every season for 8 years. I just upgraded to the newest model but haven’t gotten it out on trail yet. With a tight pitch it’s great in the rain- I live in the pnw and it’s withstood some terrible rainstorms.