Moccamaster (Technivorm) - KBGT

I thought i understood this brewer to do well with beans on the darker side. But i too was underwhelmed with the moccamaster kgbt. The definitely semi-automatic for me. The grind needs to be fine enough to allow the bed to be saturated evenly but drain timely. Schrödinger’s lidded quantum brewer basket. Is the bed even or fully wet? Dont look. Just cover & enjoy.

Ok so I have some experience here. I've owned 2 different Bonavita, and Oxo 9 cup, Oxo 8 cup, Moccamaster KBGT, and finally a Fellow Aiden. If you are looking for the very best coffee maker for what you get in the cup as black coffee, then of those all that is hands down the Aiden. However, for all the technical wizardry it has, it is mostly plastic, so longevity is a definite unknown. Of the other ones, Oxo has the best warranty in practice, and Technivorm has the best warranty on paper. Technivorm does not warranty their carafes at all - if it breaks, you are out $80+ shipping to replace it. This is even if it breaks due to a manufacturing flaw or some other reason. Oxo on the other hand replaced my carafe for free on my Oxo 9 cup 3 times - over time it would lose the vacuum, and would get hot to the touch. The coffee maker was 6+ years old the last time - long out of warranty, but they still replaced the carafe. The Oxo 9 cup is the best all around of the coffee makers I had before the Aiden. While it is tall, it made excellent coffee, and was programmable if you wanted to use that. It requires no stirring of the coffee while it is brewing. I cannot say the same with the Technivorm. While the Moccamaster does make excellent coffee, it is more hands-on to get the best out of it because of their dumb design for the shower bar. Ground saturation is an issue - I usually stirred everything after about 1 minute of brewing. The bar also feels like it is just a bit too short - most of the water doesn't fall in the center but rather closer to the back. The Bonavita coffee makers work well, and are smaller. My old one died for no reason that I could determine after a few years. The ones made now though are technically a different company - that original company went bankrupt. The Oxo 8 cup was an absolute disaster - no idea how that thing got the praise that it does from some reviewers. It always had to be stirred or half the coffee would never even get wet. I hated it. Overall from a BIFL perspective, the TV Moccamaster is likely the top candidate. They do just work for a long time, usually. Make sure to buy it from an authorized retailer and keep your proof of purchase if you need warranty service. If you buy one with a thermal carafe - baby it. They changed from being all stainless and basically unbreakable to being glass lined a couple years ago. It may keep coffee hotter but the carafes are very delicate and prone to breaking.

I concur - and I own a Technivorm too that no longer gets used.

The Aiden is my favorite coffee maker ever, and I have owned quite a few (Melitta Clarity, 2 Bonavita, Oxo 9 cup, Oxo 8 cup, and Technivorm KGBT). It excels at both single cup and batch brew. There is an issue with the flow meter getting clogged but Fellow is very good about supporting it and replacing the machine if this happens.

The only issue is that the new thermal carafes are glass lined instead of being vacuum stainless steel. They are delicate and easily broken, and are not covered by warranty at all. They cost about $85 to replace if it gets broken.

100% the correct answer is the [**Moccamaster KBGT**](https://us.moccamaster.com/products/kbgt?variant=40200137670819)**.** You can get an insulated carafe (DO NOT get the glass carafe with the heater, the insulated carafe will keep your coffee hot enough for the day, and you won't have burned coffee flavor). Reasons: It was designed in 1968 to make a pretty solid "pour over" pot., **Every piece is repairable/replacable**, they run for years and years and will always be supported. Newer companies have created versions that do pre-infusion, etc. but IMHO that's just more to potentially go wrong and has very minimal value in terms of producing a "better" pot of coffee. I've had one for years, and one "trick" is **automating it with a simple homekit/mater/thread enabled plug**. I prefer fresh ground coffee, but with this you can set up the coffee maker overnight, flip the switch on the coffee maker, and leave the homekit switch 'off'. Then you an automate the 'on' time so you wake up to a fresh pot :)

don't buy the KBGT version, the carafe sucks

I've been using the cheapest version of Moccamaster for about 15 years. It just works so well.

I don't know. A black one with just one switch.

Look into [OXO's 9-cup machine](https://www.oxo.com/shop/coffee-beverage/coffee-tea/coffee-makers-grinders/barista-brain-9-cup-coffee-maker.html) and the [Moccamaster](https://us.moccamaster.com/collections/thermal-carafe-brewers/products/kbgt?variant=40200137670819). Both machines are frequently recommended and I also have experience with both and agree with the praise they receive. The reason they're pricier than most is their build quality, the consistent and high heat they produces, the design of the water dispersion, and -- yes -- their brand names. Both machines have also been recognized by the Specialty Coffee Association for their quality, which I'm sure is tied up with bureaucracy and isn't the only/best way to assess the quality of a brewer, but still, it's certainly something. Those are the two machines I would personally look at within your price range and I do believe they are worth their price. They both make delicious coffee. Fellow's Aiden is also a newer entry that piqued my interest but I have no experience with it and so I can't really comment. Their stuff is typically fantastic and similarly marked up because of brand name like OXO and Moccamaster.

I've had coffee from the first two you listed and those are the two I typically recommend if someone is looking to get a "serious" drip machine. I don't know if they make identically good coffee but they both at least make very good coffee. I'd be equally happy owning one over the other.

Set a keyword alert on [slickdeals](https://slickdeals.net/search?q=Technivorm&searcharea=deals&searchin=first&isUserSearch=1&sort=relevance&searchtype=normal&filters%5Bforum%5D%5B%5D=0&filters%5Brating%5D%5B%5D=all&filters%5Bdate%5D%5B%5D=1095) is how I got a deal on mine. Paid $220 for the 40oz/10 cup KGBT model in Nov 2023, which I think was like $100 off new price. I've seen them drop between $180-200 in the last 4-6 months. I don't think you get a better warranty anywhere but I guess if you Amazon you can probably send it back in 30 days if you don't like it .

Ok that’s fair. I have the KBT with thermal carafe (the 2018 update not the newest) and it is super sturdy, feels very solid, nothing cheap about it at all. Can’t speak to the newest iteration

Lmao what an awful take. I’ve had mine for 15 years and it looks and functions like a brand new model. The copper boiler does exactly what it’s supposed to do and I get perfectly brewed coffee every time with a simple flick of a single switch. My kid loves it so much he’s asked me to buy him one for when he goes off to Yale in the fall. It’s an amazing machine and is well worth the price.

Mochamaster. You'll never need another

No problem! They are very high quality and last for decades. Technivorm also sells all the pieces and parts so repair/maintenance is easy. This is the best “automatic” drip maker and has been for a very long time.