Moccamaster (Technivorm) - KBT

Yeah I bought us one about a year ago. Got a great deal so I'm happy with it. But if I paid full price I would feel let down on the quality/sturdyness of the whole thing.

Fellow as a company scares me. Way too many failures across the board. I want to try one but my MM just keeps on going

moccamaster is bulletproof, beautiful, and makes great coffee.

Breville Precision brewer and Fellow Aiden allow you to tweak a lot. But the Moccamaster quietly and easily delivers good brews.

The last year I used a Moccamaster KBT I stirred as part of my process. I divided the total water charge into two parts. Closed the basket ouput. Added the first charge and would stir if needed to manage the bloom. Drain the first charge, close the output and repeat for the second half minus any stirring. The divide into two parts is because the basket wasn't large enough to hold four cups. However for the first few months of ownership I just dumped in coffee and water and pressed the switch. In the beginning of the brew I would run with the basket in the half open position and rotate the basket to and fro (you can do this with the KBT) for a uniform bloom and wetting and to get increased contact time. I loved that machine but I eventually switched to Aeropress after retirement.

Yes Technivorm needs to rethink the Moccamaster shower but I **never** had dry spots on my KBT. Ultimately I switched to an overly complex brew process but not because of dry spots.

I have a 15 year old moccamaster. It is indeed made in the Netherlands (Amerongen) makes a stellar cup of coffee and is a buy it for life item.

I'm aware, they asked where I bought it and that is indeed where I bought it 15 years ago. I think you can get it at the gourmet warehouse in Vancouver but I'm not sure what models they carry mine has the tall metal carafe.

Sixthing. Mine is almost 20 and works like a charm all I've had to do is d'escale and replace the seal on the lid of the metal carafe a couple of times

I can't speak to the longevity. But I did just buy a 40oz "10 cup" Moccamaster KBT for $205. The one with the thermal carafe, a few weeks ago. Previously, I had a $20 Black and Decker drip coffee maker that's still going strong after 10 years. It's a daily machine in the past 5 years. In between machines, I experimented with a Moka Pot clone, French Press, and pour over with Hario v60 gooseneck kettle. A pour over, when done right is really great. I like the French Press and Moka Pot too. Each have their pros and cons, especially in the clean-up phase. The Moccamaster is an automated pour over. For machines, the Moccamaster comes out hotter than the B&D. It's also one of the smoothest cups of coffee I've had. It's super easy to use, especially if you're coffee deprived in the morning. The more I use it, the more I like it. Did I ever think I'd spend 10x the amount I spent on the last coffee machine? No. However, it suits my needs of brewing straight into the carafe and cleanup is super easy.

I just recently bought the Moccamaster KBT 40 oz (10 cup, 4oz per cup) model. It has the carafe that's glass lined on the inside. Pros it doesn't impart a metallic taste if you're sensitive to that. Cons it might be less drop proof. It's nice that it brews straight through into the carafe and has an auto-shutoff. Great coffee maker so far!

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I hear you, but I have a different POV. That little timer control board with a computer on it is one more thing to fail and render your coffee maker unusable. The Moccamaster having just a physical on/off switch is one of the reasons it lasts so long and it also means you can switch it on with it plugged into a smart outlet, and you now have full home-automation or mobile-app control over when it starts brewing. That's something you cannot do with a machine that needs to be programmed to turn on at a set time.

>Build quality: Below Average. There is so much plastic in this thing and parts do feel cheap and flimsy. You think a machine that will brew coffee daily for the next 30 years without fail has below average build quality? Because of your feelings? SMH. Read through Technivorm's documentation and you will find that they use the safest food-grade plastics available - at the expense of premium feel - specifically so that it is safe to use. Additionally, the water path is copper boiler to glass riser tube to chromed copper outlet arm to a plastic filter basket and that basket being plastic is for a reason - it is so that brew temps quickly get to the target temp and stay there. The temperature consistency of these brewers is astonishingly good and well documented. >I'm not sure I could really tell the difference between this and my old bonavita at half the price. You shouldn't. They're both SCA approved brewers. There will be very little difference in taste. Bonavita costs less because their manufacturing costs are much lower in China. Compare the longevity of the two brewers and you'll see why people spend more for the better-made and higher-quality Moccamaster. >Features: Below Average. Literally only an on/off switch This is one of the best things about it. If you want it to turn on automatically, use a smart switch. You can then tie it in to home automation, use your cell phone from bed, or whatever. You can't do that with an electronic coffee maker - with those, you're limited to what they provide. And, most importantly, those "features" are just more things that can break, affecting longevity. Keep it simple. >Temperature: Poor. This one irks me the most - the water comes out of the wand at \~180 degrees No chance. There is no way, physically, that the water can come out at 180F. Water boils at 212F. It is that boiling that causes the water to rise up the glass tube and across the chromed copper outlet arm. By the time it leaves the outlet arm, it has cooled to approximately 200F. This is simple physics and no variance between units is going to result in a 20-degree further decrease in temp. \*IF\* you live in at a high altitude then you should already understand that water boils at a lower temp and everything you cook is affected. There is nothing Technivorm can do about that and a) you shouldn't use any auto-drip coffee maker because they're all affected by this and b) you shouldn't slam Technivorm for something that is outside of their control. Either you are outright lying about this, or you are only measuring the first couple of spurts of water while the outlet arm is heating up, or your thermometer is wrong. At best, you're missing the points on why this is a good coffee maker and why for millions of people, it's well worth the investment. At worst, you're intentionally spreading misinformation about a reputable manufacturer.

I bought mine in 2005 and use it daily. It still works perfectly!

I moved away from drip and started making espresso with a manual machine. Found the best brand I've ever had, and I've loved coffee even more ever since, and discovered flavors I never knew coffee could have. Recently got a MM for the daily driver, and notes of all the same flavors are in a regular pot of drip. I prefer slightly different beans than espresso, and grind differently, but the coffee is most certainly a level up from any drip I've had before (including coffee shops). It may not be the best in the world, but it's good enough I'll never find anything better, and I trust it to be around a long time.