KBTS

I've wanted one for years but could never justify spending the money on a drip coffee maker when I already have 12 other ways to make coffee, including a drip machine. I finally snagged one during the current Amazon sale and it was 100% worth it. Hands down best cup of drip coffee I've ever had. With that said, a standard pour over is way better, as is a French press. I think your concerns over design flaws are unwarranted other than there being plastic. Take all this with a grain of salt from a stranger on Reddit.

I didn't think its any thinner than any other one I've ever owned.

Meh, it makes a good cup of coffee, is well built and has the ability to be repaired by you. But you can get just as good a cup of coffee for less than half the price. It's 100% a splurge luxury item.

I like the KBTS. It's reservoir is 1L, and it has the select switch brew basket, so you can make half pots which are 16 oz (enough for a single person)

The "cups" measurement on the Moccamasters is very small. My wife and I split a 6 cup pot every morning. That means each of us has about 3 small teacups worth. Probably 1.5 large mugs each. So a full pot is about 3 large mugs.

The other thing about the KBTS is that it uses the thermos carafe and has no hotplate, so you could technically buy 2 carafes and make 2 pots back to back if you're hosting like 12 people

Cleaning: I have some concerns about the ability to clean the reservoir given that it is fixed to the machine. I understand there are some sunken screws in the reservoir that could trap grime or algae and may be difficult to clean. Water distribution: In most of the videos I watch, I see brewers rotating the coffee basket to distribute the shower of hot water more evenly. I find this kind of silly considering it's a $500 CAD machine. Materials: I believe much of the machine is plastic. I would prefer more stainless steel or ceramics or glass or other materials for something at this high of a price point. There's also the whole health argument about plastic in boiling water but considering that almost no brewers offer complete plastic-free construction, i find this point kind of pointless. And anything else! I've never seen one of these in person or touched one or anything, so I don't know if there're any other quirks or pain points I'm missing :)

Just unboxed it last night and made a cup of shitty decaf coffee and I'd literally have no problems serving it to the Queen. Thanks!

I just got a moccamaster. The moccamaster is really expensive for what it is, I totally agree. It also is designed not for luxury, but functionality. Those black plastic pieces do feel cheap and do look like black plastic, but they excel at insulating the brewing area. But the moccamaster is expensive for a different reason. In a time when most products and especially appliances are built as cheaply as possible and with planned obsolescence in mind, the moccamaster is not. You know how your Gramma still has that hand mixer that she's owned for the last 40 years? But somehow the ones you buy don't last nearly as long? Well the moccamaster is basically a company that sells a brand new coffee machine that was built like they were 40 years ago. You're given a 5 year warranty and excellent customer service after that. If anything breaks outside of warranty, you ship your machine back to moccamaster with a $60 cheque and they'll fix it and clean it and send it back to you. If you don't want them to fix it, you can contact them and order the parts yourself. It's designed just like something out of the 60s, so it's easy to get inside and fix anything you need to. It's built completely in a wealthy, first world country with some of the best labour laws on the planet. But for moccamaster to stay competitive in this space while also allowing for repairability and a lifetime of use and ethical manufacturing, they have to charge a premium. That's what you buy a moccamaster for. Not because it's luxurious or because it's got all the bells and whistles. You buy it because it makes great coffee and you'll be able to give it to your kids in your friggin will!

That's kind of personal to you. It makes great coffee, and is repairable with a long warranty. It's built in the Netherlands and is built to last. However, in North America, parts are not available or supplied by MM, and so the functional DIY repairability goes down a lot. It's also very expensive in North America, whereas it is much more budget friendly in Europe.

>Or you could buy a mochamaster where everything can be replaced and last you a lifetime This is not free. It costs about $100 to send it in to moccamaster to have it fixed.

Replacement parts are not available worldwide. I'm in North America and you can't get most of the parts here if I recall. You can buy a replacement basket or carafe from the MM website. But you can't get the switch, or copper burner element, or any of the other internals to my understanding.

I totally agree which is why I bought it. My parents just bought a Keurig and it showed up to their house and had a problem with it. They spent hours on calls with customer service and finally they just told him to throw in the garbage and sent them a new one. No thanks.

>Yes, it is expensive, but it isn’t made from cheap plastic parts that will break on you in a year. Except it kinda is. Lots of people seem to have problems with their carafes which are not under warranty. I see issues with hot plates breaking and switches breaking too. The core unit itself, your right, is very durable. All of which can be fixed either under warranty or for a fee.

You should buy the Moccamaster if you want the following: 1. A coffee maker that makes really good coffee 2. A coffee maker which, if it breaks, you can send in to be fixed for ~100 $. If neither of those things appeal to you, especially considering the price, I'd suggest you keep looking. No ninja or Keurig is ever going to make coffee as good as a brewer that meets [the SCA Home Brewer Certification. ](https://sca.coffee/certified-home-brewer)

Nothing lol. It's a pleasant coffee maker to use, sure, but it's not a fucking roller coaster. In North America, moccamasters are frankly overpriced and undersupported. For $450 you get a machine that makes coffee just as good as another $200 machine, but that has a 5 year warranty over half the machine, and no warranty over the other half. Parts are unavailable if you want to do the repairs yourself.

The models with a manual filter basket and no hot plate (KBT, KBTS) would have been a better choice then. You can do smaller amounts and brew right into the cup with those models.

I agree with all of this - I would just point out that the KBTS has a fully stainless steel carafe while the current KBT has a glass lined carafe. Personally, I prefer my old, fully stainless KBT from a few years ago before they switched to glass. But for anyone deciding between the 2 machines, this might be helpful info.

I use mine a couple of times a week. I can’t brew as flavorful cup of coffee as I can using my V60, so I use more commercial beans in my Moccamaster and use my “better beans” for my V60. The Moccamaster brews a consistent and nice cup of coffee. Better than other cups I’ve tried from drip machines and certainly better than Keurig (which my wife uses). I have the KBTS version. I will close the drip stop to kind of replicate a bloom. I also will gently stir to get more even saturation. Then I open it up and don’t worry about the rest. But if you don’t like what comes out then you should return it.

I bought the KBTS a couple of weeks ago (on sale, but more than Black Friday price) as our 5 year old Jura e8 spring a leak and I had to order some parts. I wasn’t sure I could fix it, so I ordered the MM. Well, I was able to fix the Jura, but the MM makes much better plain coffee (I use the MM grinder at about 5.5 on dial). I’ve had to work on a few things with the Jura over the years and wanted a simple way to make a great pot of coffee. The carafe keeps it warm/hot for a couple of hours, it is simple to use and has a great warranty. Overall I like having both.

I bought the KBTS a couple of weeks ago (on sale, but more than Black Friday price) as our 5 year old Jura e8 spring a leak and I had to order some parts. I wasn’t sure I could fix it, so I ordered the MM. Well, I was able to fix the Jura, but the MM makes much better plain coffee (I use the MM grinder at about 5.5 on dial). I’ve had to work on a few things with the Jura over the years and wanted a simple way to make a great pot of coffee. The carafe keeps it warm/hot for a couple of hours, it is simple to use and has a great warranty. Overall I like having both.

The prime day sale was under 200 for KBTS. I felt the opposite, I couldnt justify saving up for the Aiden anymore. Perfectly happy so far.

I just got one for prime day, but am experimenting with shutting the valve and rotating the basket by hand until all the grounds are wet and then opening it back up. So far, delicious.

I got the insulated carafe one for prime day. I used it for game night and it was a huge hit. People didnt want me spending 10 min per person making each person a v60/flair/aeropress in the middle of the game.

Love my Moccamaster KBTS with thermal carafe. I’m the only coffee drinker in my house and it’s perfect for me. Also have a Barzata grinder.