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The Ode Gen 2 is a significant upgrade over an Encore, but if you're going to be spending that much money on a grinder, just get an a4z for a little more, which is a significant upgrade over the Ode Gen 2. I personally upgraded over the years from encore -> vario -> ode gen 2 -> a4z. Just skip the middle, go right for the a4z.
Whatever your budget is you should split it 50/50 between machine and grinder. I stepped up my budget to $1000 for my beginning set up and went with a Breville Infuser and Baratza Vario grinder. I was happy I did. It was better quality and allowed me to grow into it. It lasted many years until I was ready to go to Prosumer level.
Def. At this price point it’s never gonna be quiet. I remember my 17yo Baratza Vario well. The extra $ for the Mignon Silenzio is probably worth it but these well-made grinders just keep going and going. By the time I upgraded I just went up a step to the Eureka Oro XL which I don’t regret
It’s fine for your uses. Ignore the reviews. My first decent grinder was a Baratza Virtuoso. Enjoyed it a ton. Then, when I was ready to upgrade - pre the current explosion of great grinders for home use - I stayed with Baratza for their customer service and after-sales support; got a Vario which I later upgraded to the stainless steel burrs and PF holder. No regrets.
I have had a vario for 4 months now. I performed the alicorn procedure per the resources provided here and it works great! I can pull high altitude single origin shots and everything. The problem i’m running into is that the grinder falls out of alignment after some time. In 4 months, it’s fallen off twice. I re-align, and am back to winning, but it’s not the quickest process, and I worry that something is wrong. Anybody have the same issue?
My best coffee related purchase was an older Baratza Vario that was half the price of the current retail price. Use it daily and it’s a champ. Facebook Marketplace for the win my friend.
Did people still use the Baratza Vario? It doesn't compete in the burr size race, but actually does a good job with big grind size changes while being relatively consistent.
The only grinders I’m aware of that offer a true balance of mouthfeel and clarity are DRM grinders, which have two separate burr sets - a conical grinder which handles the first grinding phase, then a flat burr which handles the finishing phase (see photo below). These tend to be very expensive though, and the least expensive one I am aware of is the KafaTek SDRM, which is $2,700 - and can be over $10k from Titus. I have a KafaTek SDRM grinder on order, but I also own a Lagom Casa. The Casa is a lovely grinder for light roast espresso, and it’s fine for medium roast, but anything beyond a medium roast and it starts to become quite unpleasant in my opinion. It also worth noting that the Casa isn’t a great grinder for milk drinks - as usually you’re not using light roast or going for clarity in milk based drinks. It’s workable for Cortados or macchiatos, but with Lattes and even cappuccinos - it’s ok at best. If you’re drinking traditional espresso roasts and making milk drinks - I think the Niche is going to be a far better fit. If you only drink straight espresso and generally pull light or medium roasted coffees - the Lagom Casa is really exceptional. It is however worth considering what espresso machine you’re pairing this with. Most folks don’t feel light roast espressos is all that great from a flat 9 bar machine (I’m one of them), so it depends on the overall picture of what you’re using it with and what your goals are. If you have a Flair 58 Plus 2, drink straight espresso and want to make light and ultra light espresso and soup shots - the Lagom Casa is going to work amazingly well, and will be one hell of a value - often providing results as good as a high end 64mm flat. It also makes very good pour overs and has a great workflow. If you don’t know what you want and all of this feels overwhelming - get the Niche. You’ll see a lot of folks post pictures of their setups, and they’ll have multiple “titan” grinders that are several thousand dollars each, and then still have their trusty Niche Zero off to the side for traditional spro and milk drinks. I’ve never seen a home setup photo with multiple high end Titan espresso grinders, and a Lagom Casa still on the bench. The appeal of the Casa is its small size and that it offers reasonably similar performance to $1,500 high clarity espresso grinders, for $1k less - but a $3k+ high clarity espresso grinder will blow it out of the water. The appeal of the Niche is that it offers just about as good as it gets performance for traditional dark roast spro and you don’t really need more than the Niche to max out a dark roast espresso. https://preview.redd.it/fjra4vospznf1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=436c945eeb52ebc9c58f8e4bc75706566c9bc60e
I have to preface this with a very clear and honest disclaimer that I truly don’t mean to sound like a complete and utter twat. With that out of the way - if you’re drowning your espresso in sufficient milk (or alternative) to qualify as a Latte - it doesn’t matter what grinder you use, as long as it can grind fine enough to pull 9 bar of pressure. Lattes and heavy milk drinks taste best with dark roast beans - and you actually don’t want clarity in a grinder for beans of that nature as it highlights negative aspects of the beans and makes unpleasant tasting drinks. The same can be said with light roast beans - if you have light roast beans (high acidity tasting) and add a bunch of milk - the resulting drink it sour and unpleasant. Thus, if you drink one latte a day, which is a small amount of dark roast espresso that is aggressively diluted with milk - you can get away with a grinder that has less exacting tolerances and generates a lot of fines. A niche is awesome for this purpose - but really any traditional grinder like a Baratza vario, mazzer mini, or even an inexpensive Baratza ESP will do just fine.
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Best for Entry-level espresso

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Multiple Brands - DF54 Series
Best for Light roast espresso

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Multiple Brands - DF54 Series
Best for Multiple brew methods

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Baratza - Encore ESP
Best for Pour-over clarity

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Fellow - Ode Brew Grinder Gen 2 Series





