Baratza - Virtuoso+

The M40 doesn't have external grind adjustment- no way I would ever get it. Copying an outdated grinder like the commandante is a weird business model. I have used a K6 every day for the past 2.5 years. I also have a baratza Virtuoso+ that I've basically not touched since I got the K6.

I have a Baratza Virtuoso+ and a Kingrinder K6 and use the K6 daily for 2-3 v60 pourovers a day. I'm amazed at how easy it is to use and the fantastic coffee it produces.

I have the virtuoso +, and I never use the timer…I always weigh them.

Fair point. I don’t leave beans in the hopper exposed to air. I store them in an airscape canister and weigh out what I need for a brew. I leave mine set at 40 seconds, and turn it off when the beans are through.

When my encore got to be over twelve years old, I sent it to baratza and had it rebuilt…new motor, circuit board etc. I also had them upgrade the burr to the m2 burr. This is the burr used in the virtuoso +. While I was waiting, I got a virtuoso +, because I can’t wait that long for a cup of coffee😄 when I got the encore back, I was impressed with the service. They discounted some of the parts and labor…I believe it was less than $100.00 usd. I don’t see much difference between the two grinders….the encore seems to grind faster than before. I don’t use the timer on the V+, as I weigh my beans as needed. I would be equally happy using either grinder. I keep the encore, because my wife likes flavored beans and I don’t want my light roasted beans tasting like French vanilla.

Fair point, one best or won't break the bank. I'm looking mid-range, and after a ton of research and reviews or reddit threads, the [Baratza Virtuoso+ Grinder](https://www.reddit.com/user/its-creator1036/comments/1n4xbv2/i_researched_best_coffee_grinders_under_500_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) stood out to me. It's very consistent for pour over, easy to use with timed dosing and baratza support and parts availability make it reliable long term. Its also handle espresso well enough with fresh beans, and what impressed me most was it solid build quality and user friendly design. Honestly, it felt more practical than a lot of pricier grinders i came across.

The Bratza Virtuoso+ ($250) would work and probably be an improvement. It has the premium M2 burrs. For brewed coffee, you don't need flat burrs, and machines that have them are usualy harder to clean.

I suggest the Baratza Virtuoso+ It's as good as the Ode2, if not better. And it's considerably cheaper. It's also much easier to clean and produces far fewer fines; basically zero if you give the beans a spritz of water. Better customer service as well.

I'd look at the Baratza Virtuoso+. I think it's superior to the Ode2, at least for brewed coffee, and it's much cheaper. It's also much easier to clean. Baratza support is clearly better, too.

That's what i have and use the timer all the time

I’ve had a Baratza Virtuoso+, a Baratza Vario+, and now a Mazzer Philos, and I’d rank them in Bottom, Mid, and Top Tiers, respectively. 

I just gave my son our Encore, and purchased a Baratza Virtuoso. This grinder is fabulous. Once you get your ratio of water and coffee where you like it, you can set the timer on the grinder to grind the correct amount of beans every time. Highly recommend.

Baratza Virtuoso+ Coffee Grinder... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QMY8GLX?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Not sure I understand the comment completely - but just want to note that a Baratza Encore is not good for light roast pour over. I had a Virtuoso+ (which is basically a better Encore) and it was terrible for light roast.

Nothing wrong with the Ode 2, but if you want less expensive there's always the Virtuoso+. Get the single dose attachment, set the timer at more than you need, and push the button.