Baratza - Virtuoso+

The M40 doesn't have external grind adjustment- no way I would ever get it. Copying an outdated grinder like the commandante is a weird business model. I have used a K6 every day for the past 2.5 years. I also have a baratza Virtuoso+ that I've basically not touched since I got the K6.

Baratza Virtuoso+ has served me well for three years with my Breville Bambino.

I just got a Comandante C40, and compared to my Virutoso+, it is in a completely different league. There are virtually no fines with the C40. The cups from pour over are fantastic. I have heard good things about the 1zpressos but could not justify the extra expense compared to the C40 in my location. People complain about longer grind times with the C40 due to smaller burrs, but for pour-over, I don't understand why. It is a joy to use.

I have the virtuoso +, and I never use the timer…I always weigh them.

Fair point. I don’t leave beans in the hopper exposed to air. I store them in an airscape canister and weigh out what I need for a brew. I leave mine set at 40 seconds, and turn it off when the beans are through.

Fair point, one best or won't break the bank. I'm looking mid-range, and after a ton of research and reviews or reddit threads, the [Baratza Virtuoso+ Grinder](https://www.reddit.com/user/its-creator1036/comments/1n4xbv2/i_researched_best_coffee_grinders_under_500_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) stood out to me. It's very consistent for pour over, easy to use with timed dosing and baratza support and parts availability make it reliable long term. Its also handle espresso well enough with fresh beans, and what impressed me most was it solid build quality and user friendly design. Honestly, it felt more practical than a lot of pricier grinders i came across.

The Bratza Virtuoso+ ($250) would work and probably be an improvement. It has the premium M2 burrs. For brewed coffee, you don't need flat burrs, and machines that have them are usualy harder to clean.

I suggest the Baratza Virtuoso+ It's as good as the Ode2, if not better. And it's considerably cheaper. It's also much easier to clean and produces far fewer fines; basically zero if you give the beans a spritz of water. Better customer service as well.

I'd look at the Baratza Virtuoso+. I think it's superior to the Ode2, at least for brewed coffee, and it's much cheaper. It's also much easier to clean. Baratza support is clearly better, too.

That's what i have and use the timer all the time

I’ve had a Baratza Virtuoso+, a Baratza Vario+, and now a Mazzer Philos, and I’d rank them in Bottom, Mid, and Top Tiers, respectively. 

Baratza occasionally has refurbed virtuoso+ on their site. That’s a helluva deal and plenty of folks use it with the MM If you don’t care about saving $$ just buy it new

Not sure I understand the comment completely - but just want to note that a Baratza Encore is not good for light roast pour over. I had a Virtuoso+ (which is basically a better Encore) and it was terrible for light roast.