DF Grinders - DF83V

2 Electric: DF83v (currently aligned espresso dlc burrs) & DF64v SSP MP 4 manual: Zp6 C40 red clix M47 pre-fire universal burrs Normcore with ghost burrs I used to use DF83v with dlc brew burrs for filter (imo they are better than ssp mp for pourover but worse than ek43), but use these two electric grinders for espresso to have brighter or more balanced cups. And also because I usually use two different beans in my rotation for espresso at the same time. I also switched from using 83mm flat brew burrs for pourover to handgrinders. I usually use the ghost burrs 80% of the time and the rest 20% I use zp6. I rarely use C40 & m47 for any brews nowadays

I chose my df83vs because I like to drink light drinks in the morning and different dark ones in the afternoon, so single cans and very low dead space, as well as easy to clean, a great M https://preview.redd.it/ntg7yicl00xf1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d4e6e479d0583e6b04956ced719541cde06e228 feel

Not sure I agree with your analysis. The DF 83 v is vastly superior from my experience. https://preview.redd.it/lzj5ymmut9pe1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b051d8749c85698dcd87db5523b27fed5de7195f

Hell yes. DF 83 v, Libra, Z1, J Ultra, Kafatek max 3 and Pietro pro. I have 3 set ups. Home, work, vacation. Oops. I have a Timore X Millab too.

So I started with a Niche Zero but did not love it. I felt like I was buying great beans and not getting the most out of it. I then bought the DF 83 v and it was a significant step up. I then tried to upgrade the burrs but could not get one of the screws out which left me not happy. Then I watched the Brian Quan video where he visits Kafatek and fell in love with the concept build quality etc. I got one of the first Flat Max 3 and it has been an end game. Nothing I have tried (z1, EG1 or Philos) has touched it. The DF 83 v still makes great coffee at work. Probably the best bang for your buck I have come across for a big flat burr grinder. I also have a j ultra for travel. Check out this video from this search, coffee influencer visiting kafatek https://share.google/lsHnK10dz67CPj8H9

Niche zero for about 700e as conical and df83vs for about 900e as flat burr grinder to be able to cover a wide espresso game. Love them both equally.

Started out with a Df64 and ran into pretty serious clogging, static, overheating (during seasoning), and unfixable alignment issues. Worked on resolving these issues and wound up sending the grinder back before the return window closed. (FWIW I am an engineer and scientist, and have done things like rebuild car engines completely. I like working on machinery and appreciate quality and mechanical precision.) I then ordered a DF83 v3 and went through the same process (also sent back). The DF family of grinders sits at an attractive price point and given their metal construction, apparent heft, popularity, and regular puffing by influencers, sell well. IMO, these grinders are to be avoided and are way more trouble than the their offsetting low prices merit. By now I’ve tried and owned probably 15 different grinders (including a Mahlkonig EK43), and have concluded that spending more from the get-go for the right grinder is the smartest move financially and experience wise. Grinders I’ve used and wound up keeping, liking or giving to family members include: Mazzer Philos (best overall combination of performance, cost, and quality), Kafatek SDRM, Starseeker E55, and MHW-3Bomber F74 Navigator. The last two grinders, IMO, offer exceptional value at their respective price points. These are merely my own experiences and opinions. Others will certainly have had different experiences, and offer different opinions.