Eureka - Mignon Zero 65 All Purpose (AP)

Since the tariff made the the niche zero too expensive i ended up getting the eureka zero 65 which I really like so far, but don't have anything to compare it to except the baraza. TBH just liked the look over the DF64 (and i heard it was loud). I still use the old grinder for drip now since it doesnt really take up any extra usable space, the way its setup.

I'd go for a Eureka Zero, I love the grind by weight (GBW) workflow and am getting very consistent shots

Eureka Mignon Zero 65 with Black Diamond Espresso Specialty burrs and Comandante C40 for pour overs

The df 64 will do both, it’s a pain in the ass to switch between grind sizes all the time though. Id honestly get a df64 and a cheaper one for regular drip coffee. I used to have a df64 for espresso and a capresso grinder for drip. It worked well. I now use my df64 for drip and a libra ap for espresso.

On the bar is a Eureka A65 that is dialed in for espresso. Don't want to mess with that. It is dedicated to espresso. Next to it is a Niche Zero that handles pour overs, AeroPress, and the ocassional request for decaf espresso. It's marvelous. I also have a Mahlkonig K35 that I need to get dialed in or it needs to get off the bar. It has not been very cooperative so far! And I have a hand grinder for travel.

I have heard from more than one person that these built-in grinders are really very limiting. My daughter has two children, ages two and four, and she uses a separate grinder with a Breville Bambino— she received them right after the youngest was born— and she’s quite happy with the arrangement. The Profitec Go is gorgeous but perhaps requires more maintenance? I don’t know. Her grinder is a Baratza, which is known for being very loud. Obviously a manual grinder would be as quiet, but if you’re drinking several a day it might get old. Eureka Mignon makes very quiet electric grinders— I have the Eureka Mignon Zero, and I like it very much.

I’ve owned a Baratza Virtuoso (barely adequate, if that), a Turin DF 64 V. 1, a Niche Zero, and the Eureka Mignon Zero. The Turin was more clarity/fruity forward, though not by much, but I sold that for a Niche Zero. I owned them both for a little while and decided to keep the Niche. The Niche was fine—super user friendly, and easy to clean—but for not-particularly-rational reasons I was drawn to the Eureka (for esthetics mainly), so I sold the Niche. The Niche and the Eureka are both quiet, and great for my preference of dark beans and classic Italian espresso—- really, between the two you can't go wrong. But unless you can find a used Niche there's a big price difference. As I reread my post I sound like a person always after the next thing, but I did eventually stop questing something different!

Have owned all the grinders on your list, at one point or another. Agree that Duo might be your best bet. Ability to play with other 83mm burrs is a good hedge against future curiosity. Recommend getting second (filter) burr option, because having the extra carrier for fast(ish) swaps is nice. Cannot recommend the Eurekas. Good build, very pretty, but burrs are proprietary and the grind chamber/chute design is antediluvian. Fine for hopper base on-demand grinding, but crap for single dosing. Even with the mods (tilted base, bellows), retention is terrible. Eureka’s attempts at single-dosing focused grinders are not honest efforts. Just a new model name and superficial accessories. And their new dial is just…stupid. Still not enough ratio to overcome the thread lash in their adjustment screw. The rev counter is nice enough, but a big dial like [this](https://www.amazon.com/ARO-EspressoTM-Eureka-Mignon-Adjustments/dp/B0CLCB8VQ6/ref=asc_df_B0CLCB8VQ6) is much more effective (and not stupid looking, imho) Libra portafilter contact sensor was unreliable. I heard they fixed it, but I had given up already and moved on. When it worked, it was…ok. Weight accuracy wasn’t bad, but irrelevant because it was a hot mess of sprayed grounds. RDT absolutely necessary in my environment (20-50%RH over the year), but the extra moisture caused caking/clogging in the chute. From a taste perspective…it’s ok. Blendy, decent body, not a lot of clarity. Little unkempt and harsh. Good in milk drinks. Niches — good workflow, probably among the best, even compared against titan grinders at 5x the price. Personally, not a fan of Mazzer burrs. Harsh and bitter finish. The Zero doesn’t have any options for their 63mm conical, so you’re kinda stuck. The stock Duo espresso burr was, to me, a cleaner version of Zero profile. Other options: Mazzer Philos. The grinder itself is a bit pricey, and rumor has it that the i200D and 189D burrs are big improvements over Mazzer traditional flavor profile — but it’s a good platform for 64mm burr space, where you are spoilt for choice and the burrs are cheaper than 83mm. Hope that helps

Second a eureka mignon - Italians make good motors

I have a Eureka zero AP65 for a month now (450€), and I think it's underrated by most people. I really enjoy it

The Eureka Mignon series will grind to the 190-195 micron range depending on which model.