Eureka - Mignon Zero 65 All Purpose (AP)

I have heard from more than one person that these built-in grinders are really very limiting. My daughter has two children, ages two and four, and she uses a separate grinder with a Breville Bambino— she received them right after the youngest was born— and she’s quite happy with the arrangement. The Profitec Go is gorgeous but perhaps requires more maintenance? I don’t know. Her grinder is a Baratza, which is known for being very loud. Obviously a manual grinder would be as quiet, but if you’re drinking several a day it might get old. Eureka Mignon makes very quiet electric grinders— I have the Eureka Mignon Zero, and I like it very much.

Eureka zero. Within budget and much better built than the DF grinders. Hands down. The DF grinders make more sense in the States where Eureka’s are soooo much more expensive. Over here , I would definitely go Eureka. https://www.coffeefriend.co.uk/p/eureka-mignon-zero-55s-15bl-coffee-grinder-matte-black/ No connection to this shop but I have bought items from them before and super happy. However, the zero is not that easy to change from espresso range to pour over range. Therefore , With the money left over I would get something like a P2 for pour overs etc. In total it will be just over £300 (the P2 is around £22 on AliExpress or £34 from Amazon)

Yeah and in Europe, it makes much more sense to buy Eureka than the DF range as prices are much closer together compared to Stateside where DF makes more sense due to them being that much cheaper than Eurekas. Eurekas are the way to go round this neck of the woods. Built like tanks. Long lasting. Much higher quality compared to DF

we're very close to the same- I have a Baratza Virtuoso (the old base model that's now discontinued) and the Eureka Mignon Zero for espresso. I have loved the Eureka

I do. I still have my old Baratza Virtuoso that I bought 8 years ago. Still works great and when I have issues, Baratza's service is excellent. I bought a Eureka Mignon Zero a couple years ago, which I use exclusively for espresso, and I use the Baratza for pourover.

The zero is great! I love mine

I have three - Baratza Encore for everything but espresso, Eureka Mignon Zero for espresso, and an OXO grinder as a backup (was in regular use before getting the Encore.)

Eureka Mignon will fit your budget. The filtro and zero are 2 options I considered that are on the lower price end of the Eureka grinders. Ended up getting the zero as would be doing more espresso. Very happy with it.

For flat burr grinders the Eureka Mignon range has better options imo. Crono, Manuale & Zero are all worth looking into as alternatives for the Ode 2

Eureka zero and big grinder setting dial from aro. Easy to switch back and forth with new dial, built like a tank, relatively silent.

Yes, I think they are great. Much less retention than the Mignon we originally bought & then returned. Easy to adjust, reliable. We use it for decaf, V60 & filter in a small cafe.

Have owned all the grinders on your list, at one point or another. Agree that Duo might be your best bet. Ability to play with other 83mm burrs is a good hedge against future curiosity. Recommend getting second (filter) burr option, because having the extra carrier for fast(ish) swaps is nice. Cannot recommend the Eurekas. Good build, very pretty, but burrs are proprietary and the grind chamber/chute design is antediluvian. Fine for hopper base on-demand grinding, but crap for single dosing. Even with the mods (tilted base, bellows), retention is terrible. Eureka’s attempts at single-dosing focused grinders are not honest efforts. Just a new model name and superficial accessories. And their new dial is just…stupid. Still not enough ratio to overcome the thread lash in their adjustment screw. The rev counter is nice enough, but a big dial like [this](https://www.amazon.com/ARO-EspressoTM-Eureka-Mignon-Adjustments/dp/B0CLCB8VQ6/ref=asc_df_B0CLCB8VQ6) is much more effective (and not stupid looking, imho) Libra portafilter contact sensor was unreliable. I heard they fixed it, but I had given up already and moved on. When it worked, it was…ok. Weight accuracy wasn’t bad, but irrelevant because it was a hot mess of sprayed grounds. RDT absolutely necessary in my environment (20-50%RH over the year), but the extra moisture caused caking/clogging in the chute. From a taste perspective…it’s ok. Blendy, decent body, not a lot of clarity. Little unkempt and harsh. Good in milk drinks. Niches — good workflow, probably among the best, even compared against titan grinders at 5x the price. Personally, not a fan of Mazzer burrs. Harsh and bitter finish. The Zero doesn’t have any options for their 63mm conical, so you’re kinda stuck. The stock Duo espresso burr was, to me, a cleaner version of Zero profile. Other options: Mazzer Philos. The grinder itself is a bit pricey, and rumor has it that the i200D and 189D burrs are big improvements over Mazzer traditional flavor profile — but it’s a good platform for 64mm burr space, where you are spoilt for choice and the burrs are cheaper than 83mm. Hope that helps

The Eureka Mignon series will grind to the 190-195 micron range depending on which model.

I got a home grinder initially so that my coffee wouldn’t go stale as fast.  Whole beans last longer than preground.  Part of the bonus was, hopefully, that I could buy a larger bag for cheaper and still get good coffee for less money per cup. Then I got better at dialing in my grind size and getting the smoothest flavor I could, so now rather than spending ten dollars per kilo of commodity-grade coffee, I’m happy spending twenty per 300g of specialty coffee. 🤣 For the same money, you’ll get much better grind quality in a hand grinder than you would for electric.  Get a Timemore or 1ZPresso and it’ll rival electric grinders costing double or triple as much.  It’ll take a bit longer, but with the modern class of hand grinders, you’re only looking at maybe 45 seconds for a 3-cup pot without working very hard (which is much better than multiple minutes in a Hario Skerton). In electric grinders, the bare minimum I’d recommend would be an Oxo or a Baratza.  But I’d rather step up to, say, the DF54, Eureka Mignon series, Urbanic, and some others.

Neither the Shardor, Hibrew, or Casabrews are likely to meet your requirement for a 5 year life. The Baratza ESP has the best build quality of any device on your list, but you can still do better. I'd suggest a Gaggia Classic E24 for the machine, and one of the Eureka Mignon grinders. These are high quality products that should last forever if well taken care of. I wouldn't give a lot of credence to the Amazon reviews. Many people buy espresso equipment (especially Breville) without realizing how difficult it is to learn to use. They get rapidly frustrated, blame their problems on the machine, and give it a poor review. Feedback from this sub and other coffee/espresso forums is much more relevant than Amazon ratings.

You might be able to pick up a second hand Eureka Mignon for around that price, that's what I did.

https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/en/8-coffee-grinders Entry level Eureka is only around 200usd. Email and ask them for a coupon code, you’ll very likely get one. Excellent grinder, will make a huge difference.

I have, they are nice

Eureka Mignon has a few options, though they’ll sit right at that 250-300 price point. They’re very solid, good looking, and can do both espresso and drip with enough hopper capacity.

Have a look at the Rocket or ECM line of espresso machines. As for grinders, I love the eureka mignon line, and mazzer. 2+K is an easy spend for a home set up. I'm sitting around 3500 now.

Your budget is fine. You can easily get a good grinder that will do both, which generally means grind fine enough for espresso as that is the more demanding. Most people prefer, for multiple types of coffee making (esp. pour over and espresso), flat burrs. Just a preference thing, conical burrs can still work well with pour-over, it is just that classical people look for greater clarity with pour-over. The best answer is two grinders, one conical and one flat, but that is luxury, however, given how good and inexpensive conical hand grinders are now, that can make for a best of both worlds solution. One key question is if you want to single-dose or hopper feed. The workflow is different with pros and cons of either way. It is just a preference thing. Most people on this sub seem to be single-dosing (inc. me), just be aware that may not be what you prefer. If it was me, I would get a good budget flat electric grinder like the Turin DF54 or the Fellow, and a conical hand-grinder (a Kingrinder, Timemore or 1zpresso). If I wanted to favour espresso and only do pour-over occasionally, I would look at a grinder like the Option O Casa. Finally, if you want to go with a hopper grinder, the Eurekas models are worth looking at. As a small tip - pay attention to the noise level of the electric grinder, if you are noise sensitive. Some of them can be annoyingly loud. Hope it makes sense and helps.