Fellow - Ode Brew Grinder Gen 2

u/kingseven Tangentially (but not really) related, but I picked up an Ode Gen 2 recently, and have been struggling to get the best out of it for pourovers. Using your one cup method, what kind of grind setting should I be aiming for on the dial? I noticed you were down in the 2-3 range on your testing videos, these come out a bit muddy and way over 3 minute drawdown for me. Any help would be hugely appreciated, from a huge fan!

I picked up an Ode Gen 2 recently, and have been struggling to get the best out of it for pourovers. Using your one cup method, what kind of grind setting should I be aiming for on the dial? I noticed you were down in the 2-3 range on your testing videos, these come out a bit muddy and way over 3 minute drawdown for me. Any help would be hugely appreciated, from a huge fan!

I managed to get an ode gen 2 on sale for about 230 from here if you are UK based - [https://healf.com/products/fellow-ode-brew-grinder-gen-2-matte-black?variant=44637378576623](https://healf.com/products/fellow-ode-brew-grinder-gen-2-matte-black?variant=44637378576623) There's some first order discounts and such to add on. I was flipflopping between the opus and the Ode 2, then I thought - I'm going to have this for 5+ years, and use it 2/3 times a day. It's worth spending the extra £60 or dollars on. The thing that flipped it was, I thought, if i bought the Opus, every time i used it, I'd wish it was the Ode. And, I don't have any regrets, the Ode is a great grinder, looks fantastic and was a big upgrade from the Sage I was using.

We have the Ode, because my husband likes coffee. It’s not too loud and has a small footprint. He’s into coffee which to me means he watches James Hoffman, likes to try different beans, and has a full setup including scale, fancy kettle, espresso machine, etc. But he’s not *so* into coffee that he’s snobby or condescending about it. Daily driver is an Aeropress, and he uses the Chemex if he’s making more than one cup of coffee. We always stock UCC and Mount Hagen instant coffees for days when he needs caffeine before an early meeting. Beans come from local roasters when we travel, or one specific roaster near us. He’s currently working on a honey processed bag from Thailand. I benefit from all this because I get free pumpkin spice lattes at home 😀

The fellow Ode 2 is 20% off for black friday ($276 USD). It was the previous Ode 1 that needed the burr upgrade. The gen 2 burr is very good. The SSP burr upgrade on top of that will improve clarity but lose body ($396 ode 2 with SSP). The Timemore 078s is not ideal for pour overs like the 078. I think Timemore discontinued the 064 and only kept the 064s

Ode Gen 2 + Aiden for batch brews. :)

Another suggestion is the Fellow Ode with the Gen 2 burrs. The Gen 2 burrs are more medium bodied vs the the ZP6, Pietro, and SSP MP burrs. Can't use it for espressos though I personally like my pourovers to be light bodied and my espressos to be medium bodied. I think its because I started out like that.

best price to performance is probably the Kingrinder K6 handgrinder at $100. Available on Amazon. best price to performance electric grinder is the Fellow Ode Gen2 for $350. Occasionally goes on sale for 15% to 20% off. This grinder will not do espresso. K-ultra and ZP6 are also outstanding grinders. I think I would prefer the Ode to the DF64V if purely for pourovers.

I have a fellow ode and it's no longer a mess since I started sprayed my beans with water before grinding!

I have a gen 1 Fellow Ode with gen 2 burrs. Love it. A Fellow kettle, a scale and a V60. Making my pour over in the morning is my favourite. I buy freshly roasted beans and grind them fresh every morning. Worth every penny. My beans cost me $43 a month CAD.

I’m very happy with my 2nd gen Ode. I steered clear of the opus once I saw how much of it was made of plastic and how light it felt.

Honestly none of these are bad options. It's just going to come down to what you prefer. The K6 may give you the most options as it's supposed to be great for filter and also espresso capable, I haven't used it but I would wager that it's probably a better espresso grinder than the Encore. However if you're not interested at all in espresso then the Fellow Ode 2 is probably the best option here for filter coffee. It has flat burrs instead of the conical burrs you usually get in hand grinders and common electric grinders - and many people prefer flat burrs for filter coffee because they tend to produce a more uniform grind size, which can lead to a cleaner tasting cup with more clarity. The downside to the Ode 2 is it's obviously not as portable as the K6, it's more expensive and it's not designed for espresso at all so if you ever want to try making espresso you'll need a whole new second grinder. Obviously that's not an issue if you don't intend to use for espresso.

Ode has the ability to switch out the 64mm burrs. Thats a positive for me even if its not espresso focused. No one really wants to switch back and forth between filter and espresso dial-in, even if it is possible.

Depends on the grinder and the dial distance changes. I would really dislike on my hg1 grinder going back and forth from fine to coarse. On an ode, thats not really a thing since ode doesnt really do espresso. Plus different burr-sets are more suitable for different output tastes.

Fellow Ode Generation 2. It's all you will ever need for pour over. Honestly. It's an excellent excellent quality grinder. It is designed for pour over. And it's 20% off right now. Easy choice in my mind.

Fellow Ode Generation 2. For dedicated pour over you really can't do better. And the price point is fair considering the quality of the grinder and the grind. I think you'll get a lot of confirmation on this. I think it's not really close to be honest.

Honestly the returns are diminishing in my opinion after Ode Generation 2. For pour over only I think that the Ode Gen 2 want it to do or need it to.do.

My recommendation is to save up another $150 and buy a fellow owed Gen 2. And I would avoid that website if you want a quality product in great shape. But that's just me. I feel like maybe some deferred gratification is in order. You'll be glad in the long run. You've saved up $200. Why not save up 200 more and get a quality product that will be exponentially better than what you can get at your $200 price point and will last you for decades .It's worth it to wait and get a superior product. IMO

You want something that gives you a consistent grind size. I would go with the Fellow Ode Gen 2. For the $100 more than the competition, it's well worth it and it's far superior and you're going to use it everyday for the next 30 years. So it's an investment that I highly recommend.

This, I was flip flopping on this because of the price and decided to just bite the bullet on Black Friday since I use it almost everyday. This grinder is amazing and super happy that I picked it up. Highly recommend!

I’ve completed shifted away from espresso and the Moccamaster is currently my main source for coffee (also have a the French and Aero press). That’s part of the reason why I bought this grinder because I don’t have an espresso machine. But to your point I have read the same comments about it being bad for espresso. From the Moccamaster perspective it’s been phenomenal.

Me too. I prefer my ZP6 to the Ode 2 for all brews

Just go for the Ode Gen 2. If you want more clarity from your brews spring for the Ode Gen 2 w/ssp burrs. Fellows usually has 10% off coupons.

Start with the Encore. It's more than good enough for batch filter coffee. I used an Ode 2 for years and I can't say I was ever too impressed with it.

Yeah, it was a step up ik terms of clarity from the Encore, but it still falls into the jack of all trades, master of none category once you want to go further. I decided to go elsewhere instead of upgrading the burr set.

Do you happen to know how the Vario W+ holds up to dark roasts? My Virtuoso (which has no problem with dark roasts) is getting a little long in the tooth and The Ode 2 I bought to replace it last year jams like no one's business with anything even approaching dark beans.

Ode gen 2 as of now because of Black Friday sale in Australia. It will suffice enough until you decide to break the bank for a high end grinder. It won't depreciate as much in terms of value as well, so you can always resell them. Ode Gen 2 is more than good enough for a home brewer

What's your budget? Manual or electric. The Baratza Encore is a solid entry pick for filter. Hoffmann likes the Ode Gen2.

I'd probably go with the Ode then. Eureka has a few filter grinders that you might consider, but I'm not sure about their prices.

My ODE 2 stopped working after 3 weeks. Customer service is very difficult to get a hold of. Do not recommend.

I’ve owned a 65 Casa and a gen 2 Ode. Workflow IMO goes towards the Casa. In the cup they’re fairly similar, I think you’d get slightly more clarity to my taste from the Ode, but if you only have room for one grinder then the Ode cannot do espresso without shortening its lifespan.

I went from a Knock, which is a decent £100 manual grinder, to the Ode 2. While the improvement in grind consistency was worthwhile (so few fines now!), the reduction in hassle and effort to grind was at least as much. Manual grinding isn't hard, but not having to do it is lovely.

I had a Baratza Encore and recently upgraded to a Fellow Ode Gen2. Ode has great consistency and works great for my AeroPress around the 2.5 mark (1-10, 1 smallest). On course grind for cold brew the Ode has gotten jammed a few times, so I break out my old Encore for chunky grind duties.

I use a V60 and moved from a Comandante C40 to the Ode 2 and very happy with it.

Honestly Ode 2 is great, but the catch cup is a bit of a pain. That’s really the only downside imo. Makes fantastic pour over. You could get a hand grinder as well and then you’re really covered haha. ZP6 and K ultra are different flavor profiles but both fantastic

Ode2 is generally considered a great grinder. I have one and am very happy with it

As someone who used the zero for pourovers for a year. Look into getting an ode 2 or similar. Will greatly improve your cup.

Well, it’s possible for a limited amount of time before the motor burns out. So not recommended, unless you’re looking for an excuse to get a new grinder.

Just got my Ode 2 for Xmas, I really like it. Quiet, fast, good looking, and solidly built

I just sold a moccamaster grinder to buy the ode for noise. I’m super impressed. https://www.reddit.com/r/pourover/s/zjKOzmTeJJ The Moccamaster would wake the neighbors. The Ode doesn’t at all.

I just bought the Ode 2 a month ago. No complaints whatsoever. For handgrinders I’m eyeing the K-Ultra or C40 for Christmas. I’m not a pro in any way, shape or form.

I have a (kinda old) Baratza Virtuoso, Ode Gen2 and Timemore 064S. You can't grind for espresso with the Ode. The 064S is just a bit fiddly for espresso because the available range is compressed/coarse -- but I use mine every day. My Baratza experience is "emergency use only" but a friend is quite happy with the ESP (filter/drip).

I’m going to try to answer your post directly here based on my opinions and experiences, but feel free to ask anything else. 1. 1zpresso X series unless you don’t mind a larger size. Then the K series is better. J is supposed to be better for espresso grind - you can dial in finer grind sizes. Q series can fit inside some of the aeropress models. It is small and uses a different adjustment and grinder that I did not prefer. So the K is the splurge or Cadillac. 1zpresso have great service, are widespread if you need new parts, and they are one of the many grinders entered in the Aeromatic app. For an electric grinder, Baratza Encore is reasonable (conical burr). I believe the splurge is the Fellow Ode gen 2. Cadillac is Fellow Ode g2 with upgraded SSP burr set. (Flat burr). Whatever you use to grind. The RDT method (a couple ml spray of water on the beans before you grind) does make your grind produce less static and helps with consistency- in my own experience. 2. For more available coffee recommendations, I like Stumptown Hairbender, or Blue Bottle stuff, Intelligencia whatever. All good, not great. For less accessible top notch: Stovetop Tilly in Grand Rapids MI, Brooklyn Roasting Company Tokyo blend, Anthology Coffee Detroit is very Fancy, CoffeeShop in San Francisco - their Columbia coffee. Dark Matter Chicago Unicorn Blood, Dark Matter Funk 17 (aeropress shot tasted like black cherry and dark chocolate. My head exploded.) Hope this helps. Always happy to chat coffee! Happy Holidays!

2 electric and 2 hand grinders. Fellow Ode gen 2 for anything non-espresso, and Eureka Mignon Oro XL for espresso. Hand grinders 1zpresso JX pro and Comandante C40. The C40 was a gift from my parents for helping dad decide what to get for his new post-retirement coffee interest. I sometimes use hand grinder at home when making coffee just for me, to see how conical compares with flat burr of the Ode.

I second this! The ode gen 2 has a 100g hopper and I have used it to grind 50g at a time, which has worked well. It makes delicious coffee for v60 and french press, and has a very satisfying workflow. I got mine about a year and a half ago and I still look forward to using it every day. I use mine for aeropress too on its finest setting, which works pretty well but sometimes I need to bust out my hand grinder if I want something closer to espresso.

It’s because the grinders launch a long time ago. If they launched recently, they would be completely ignored. I replaced a virtuoso with an ode v2. The ode is more expensive but it’s close when it often goes on sale. The ode completely blows away the virtuoso. It was a used virtuoso but I don’t think they upgraded the burrs since then which is kind of the problem. Baratza is great for support and repairability. If cup quality per dollar, isn’t the number one priority it’s a decent option.

I have an Ode 2 and love it for pourover. It's below your budget, and there are other burr sets you can try if you want to experiment. I'm sure it's not perfect, but it's been a great grinder for me. It does have a small amount of retention, but nothing that would dissuade me from buying it again.

Edit to add: as a gift, if the price difference is comfortably within budget, hands down go with the Ode 2. —————- I’ve stayed with Baratza for years because their service is great and the overall value is very high. That being said, I’ve heard some complaints about quality of the encore and typically recommend the virtuoso now. You’re not alone…I’ve never bought the ode because reviews are mixed, and I don’t know if less redditors recommend Baratza because they tend to hold up well (and require less help), or because these other grinders are better.

I bought the Ode 2 during Amazon deal days and it’s phenomenal. I would love to share a more detailed post down the line but I am absolutely impressed with the Ode 2. Design, speed, quietness, how solid it feels all impressed me up front. The taste is wildly different from the baratza virtuoso. It really highlights those “flavor” notes people read about much further than the Virtuoso ever did.

If you long press the start button on the Ode 2, it won't auto stop.

How would you compare the ZP6 to the Ode 2 + mp v1 (brew) burrs? I have currently the stock in the Ode and I generally like it, my only problem is that it's flavors are too "compressed". And I don't use it much because of that. I'm thinking of getting the brew burrs, but my fear is that it will be too similar to the ZP6 (which I don't mind hand grinding with, so getting the same but electronic is not an advantage for me).

Personally I went with the K-Ultra over the ZP6 because I wanted more texture/flavor balance in my pourovers. As a fellow Robot owner, it's also convenient that the K-Ultra is a competent espresso grinder – I can take the Robot to friends' houses even if they don't have an espresso grinder, I can car camp with it, and I can pull shots when the power is out. As others have suggested, the Ode 2 is another option you might want to consider. I usually prefer pourovers on the K-Ultra, but sometimes I don't feel like hand grinding, and the Ode does a great job all around, and sometimes better depending on the coffee. (And to be clear, when I do prefer the K-Ultra, it's *preference* – someone else might prefer the Ode in the same situation.)

The other recs you've gotten are good, but I want to clarify that the Fellow Ode 2 is not overkill. It's a pourover-focused grinder that doesn't do espresso and is one of the best electric options for single dose pourover at its price point. A hand grinder for the same $$ will generally produce better results, but if you think he might not want to grind by hand, Ode 2 is a solid choice. Not sure what your time frame is but it goes on sale with some regularity, and Prime Day is upon us.

It's a tough question but worth noting that not everyone thinks the ZP6 is an upgrade – it depends what you like in your coffee. You might end up liking the ZP6 more than the K-Ultra, or vice versa. For someone just starting out I think the K-Ultra is a much safer choice, as it produces coffee that's more in line with what most people expect coffee to taste like, it's very easy to dial in, and it does a good job with different roast levels. But you could get one, then get a ZP6 later, and decide you like it a lot more. No way to find out in matters of taste other than...to taste.

The Ode 2 and the K-Ultra are both safe choices - they produce well-balanced coffee and aren't especially difficult to dial in, and they're flattering to almost all coffees at all roast levels. I've owned and used both extensively and I think the K-Ultra gives somewhat better results, but the Ode 2 is close enough that if you'd rather have an electric grinder it's worth the trade-off.

I don't own a ZP6. By reputation, the K-Ultra has significantly higher body, less flavor clarity, has a wider sweet spot/is much easier to dial in, and is less specialized to roast level (that is, it will make good coffee on medium and darker roasts, which the ZP6 will not). I never bought a ZP6 because it has a reputation for making very light-bodied coffee, which I personally don't care for. When I wanted a higher clarity grinder I bought an A4Z, with the Pietro as the other grinder in the running. Those are both at a higher price point – around $500, although the A4Z may be more expensive in the USA now that the de minimus tariff exemption has expired.

Sounds like bad alignment. You shouldn't be having high fines production with those burrs. Even with the stock burrs I never had this problem with the Ode 2, and with the SSP burrs you should be getting way fewer than with stock.

For drip I like my fellow ode gen 2 grinder a lot

I use an Ode 2 and love the small footprint on my countertop. The grinds are pretty consistent. This was an upgrade from my old Baratza.

I think the Timemore 078 is a good choice. I personally use an Ode Gen 2 alongside my ZP6. If I could go back in time and had a slightly higher budget, I'd get the 078. However, if you get a good deal on the Ode Gen 2, it's definitely also a good grinder. I use the stock burrs btw. I like it as a combo with the ZP6 because they can give you quite a different cup with the same coffee. For some coffees I actually prefer the Ode. I have had serious RSI issues due to my day job. Having an electric grinder helped me a lot! I have basically no pain now thanks to that. I'd definitely switch to an electric, I think it'll really help you

I have a hand grinder (KINGrinder P2) and an electric grinder (Fellow Ode Gen 2). Unlike most, I enjoy hand grinding. I like the sound of the grinder, the little mini upper body workouts too! 😆 Helps wake me up before the coffee does. 😊 Thing is, I bought the P2 to go along with my AeroPress as part of a travel kit (and to replace a blade grinder). The Ode 2 is a wonderful grinder for me as I mainly brew via immersion, and soon, pour over again. Some folks say you can do espresso with it even though you shouldn’t according to Fellow. Point is, you’d be better off getting something like a DF54 and have a single grinder to do it all (community, correct me if I’m wrong). Anyway, those are what I use. Hope it’s helpful to you.

I was just in your predicament and took delivery of an Ode 2 last week. That definitely gets a recommendation. ZP6 still has its place in my set up but if I want something more blended with more body and sweetness I'll be using the Ode

By blended, I mean flavours are a bit more "together" whereas I always found the ZP6 was good at separating them out for them to be identified, which is great for a lot of coffees but some in my experience need them merged if that makes sense? Clarity is still very good on the Ode, it just presents in a different way I think . I'd say it has a sweeter profile compared to the ZP6, which I found much more acidity forward, but it could be that the Ode is a touch more forgiving with stuff like water chemistry. I'm working with clean but very soft tap water which is probably more acidity forward, adding a bit of TWW adds in that sweetness in the ZP6, but I haven't found it totally necessary on the Ode yet

Not knowing your budget is hard to recommend something. But I would get a Fellow Ode Gen 2, I think that's probably the best price/performance ratio in electric domestic grinders at the moment. It goes for around 300/350 USD. It's fast, quite silent and it's extremely simple to use.

forget hand grinders, you will be asking yourself every day why you bougth them due to the hand daily work, unless you want to grow biceps go to the Fellow ode 2, its a great grinder for filter coffee.

nope, i used sometime but then bougth the ode 2 for home its a game changer.

both. i dont have time to waste, its more convenient and quality wise i use excelent coffee and the cups are amazing using the ode 2 , hope this clarifies your mind.

Ode and Sculptor are IMO different price brackets and while they are both flagship-level for their price range one is clearly better than the other (Sculptor > Ode). The Ode is a great grinder for it's bracket and you can regularly find it for <300 but its not going to make as good a cup as the Sculptor if you are price indifferent between the two. BTW i think the ssp upgrade for the Ode is not worth it as the stock gen 2 burrs are very competitive.

I have the K6 and Ode Gen2. I guess when the Fellow espresso machine shows up on my doorstep, we’ll see how committed I am to the K6. If I’m not, add an espresso-capable grinder to the list!

Given your need for grinding larger doses, I would go with an Ode Gen 2 for pourover.

# **Without philosophizing in the answer, you have two options: a handgrinder, or electric grinder.** — ## **🔹 Hand Grinders** ### **High-End Options:** - **1Zpresso K-Ultra** – External adjustment, versatile for both pourover & espresso. - **1Zpresso J-Max** – 8.8-micron steps, optimized for espresso but handles pourover. - **Kinu M47 Phoenix / Classic** – Precise & durable, great for both. - **Comandante C40 MK4** – Ideal for pourover; needs *Red Clix* for better espresso dialing. - **Timemore Chestnut S3** – Stepless adjustment, more suited for pourover. - **1Zpresso ZP6** – Produces ultra-clean grinds, excelling in filter brews. ### **Mid-Range Options:** - **1Zpresso JX-Pro** – Espresso-friendly with finer adjustments than JX. - **Timemore Chestnut C3 ESP** – Budget option with espresso-compatible burrs, decent for pourover. - **1Zpresso X-Pro** – Compact, external adjustment, slower but espresso-capable. — ## **⚡ Electric Grinders** ### **High-End Options:** - **Mahlkönig EK43** – The gold standard in specialty coffee shops. - **Weber EG-1** – Premium single-dose grinder for all brew methods. - **Lagom P100** – High-performance, SSP burr options for precision grinding. ### **Mid-Range / Prosumer Options:** - **DF64 Gen 2 / DF64P / DF64E** – Affordable single-dose grinders, great for both. - **Niche Zero** – Top-tier single-dose grinder for espresso & pourover. - **Eureka Mignon Specialita** – Stepless adjustment, solid for espresso & can handle pourover. - **Fellow Opus** – Budget-friendly, designed for both espresso & filter brewing. - **Baratza Vario+ / Sette 270** – Great entry-level grinders with micro-adjustments for espresso. - **Timemore Sculptor 078 / 064S** – New contenders with solid grind consistency. ### **Budget-Friendly Options:** - **Fellow Ode Gen 2** (Needs *SSP burrs* for espresso) – Excellent for pourover, but needs mods for espresso. - **Baratza Encore ESP** – Beginner-friendly with stepped adjustments. - **Eureka Mignon Crono** – Simple & effective for both espresso & filter. — 🔎 **Check reviews before buying**—grind quality & user experience vary. Preferences are subjective!

Buy a used ode gen 2, pre-seasoned burrs by the previous owner is an advantage and you save money on these high quality and durable appliances.

*Technically* the best bang for your buck would be hand grinders (ZP6, K-Ultra, C40, Kinu with POB, maybe even the Pietro if it's priced similarly to the Ode 2), but AFAIK the Ode 2 is still king at its price for pourover electric grinding

That’s a deciding factor for sure! Hand grinding for pour over is pretty easy, but an electric grinder will still be easier to use, not only for you but also for people who might not see coffee as a hobby. Enjoy the Ode 2!

As another Ode 2 owner, it's mostly great when grinding at pour over sizes (5.2-7 for me). However, I also grind daily for moka pot/AeroPress faux-espresso at the lowest grind setting, and both retention and tidiness take a hit when grinding that fine. RDT helps a lot, but I usually still have to clean the grinder with a blower and the brush when switching from moka pot to pour over. It's a bit of an unusual use case I guess, but I thought it's worth it to comment.

I got the MWH 3Bomber blower from AliExpress and it helps, but it’s a bit cumbersome using both the blower and the brush, and then cleaning up the mess, when switching from fine to medium grind sizes. I even got a lid with bellows, but I found them to be pretty weak compared to the blower so I ended up returning that

If you are welling to spend, then by two separate grinders. Fellow Ode gen 2 for cold brew and pour over, and another grinder [(great options in this video)](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3VohJapkObs&pp=ygUaZXNwcmVzc28gZ3JpbmRlciB1bmRlciA1MDA%3D) for espresso. If you are welling to spend more then you could buy Timemore Sculptor 078 instead of the Fellow Ode gen 2.

Have you tried the df64 italmill on pourovers? It's great, much clearer than a k-ultra! I think the df54 is a good choice, if you plan to use it for spro.  Or you can get the ode gen2, maybe swap burrs to play with.  Edit: if you dont own one handgrinder, get the zp6 or the k6. They're both worth your penny even if you get both lol

I personally use an EK-43 but I highly recommend the Fellow Ode V2 as it's within your budget.

Thank you! I’ve tried a wide range of coarseness/fineness and it is always watery. I use 15g of coffee for 250ml of water. I always used this ratio and always made great cups when I had a fellow ode gen 2. I’m wondering if it’s the heating element of the machine or something at this point. I know grinders are the most important, but I have a hard time believing that switching from the ode gen 2 to the esp makes it impossible to make drinkable coffee

As an Ode 2 owner, yeah. It’s pretty great. But it has me eyeing a ZP6, for sure. PS. Thank you to OP for this big brain stuff, since I have no idea how to do any of this, and you make it easy for everyone else to enjoy the data presented in such an easily digestible way. Edit: Pulled the trigger and bought a ZP6 today. I’m so excited!

Completely agree with you on all fronts. The Ode 2 just makes my life easier and is “fun”, tbh. 😂 It’s nice having an electric grinder I can just set and forget. I think we’re on the same path. I’m also looking to get a Bambino Plus and DF54 for my espresso setup, mostly to make lattes and do latte art! My Ode 2 is dedicated for pour over.

I love my Ode 2. It gives great blended all-around cups with my medium-light roasts using the stock burrs, and it makes my life incredibly easy on busy mornings where I need to grind quickly to make several large dose cups of coffee for myself, my husband, and visitors. Super happy with it! I only really grabbed a ZP6 hand grinder to add a different flavor profile to my the cups I brew every day, and I use it with ultra light washed coffees to bring more acidity and flavor out of them. I use my Ode 2 for sweeter cups. And with a Bambino Plus using a Double Wall basket, I can pull delightfully under extracted espresso shots due to not being able to grind fine enough with it, and still get engineered crema thanks to Breville’s pressurized baskets. 😂 Perfect for milk drinks like lattes, frappes, etc. Lulz. (Don’t worry; have an actual espresso grinder on the way, bottomless portafilter, precision baskets, blah blah blah — but while waiting for these things, I’m happy to pull watery shots and learn how to operate my espresso machine).

For pour over I used the Fellow Ode Gen 2. Since making the switch to espresso I’ve used the Eureka Specialita with the Aro dial. Both grinders are brilliant but I feel like the Ode is ONLY for pour over whereas the Specialita can do everything.

I use Ode 2 also and love it!! It’s very well made. I grind it setting 7 typically for the dark roasts I buy. Am curious what others do?

Everyone recommends the Ode. I think they are a useless grinder personally. I bought the Gen 2. It looks beautiful, it is fun to use, but you have no control over grind size. The steps between each setting are too big. For that reason alone I had to get rid of mine and take a loss. I bought a Mahlkonig x54 and also use a ZP6 for travel. Couldn’t be happier. Edit - Lol, I knew this would be downvoted. For anyone reading this with a budget of $€£500 I would suggest that you look into other options than Fellow Ode 2. I have way more control when dialing in, which I didnt have with the Ode and my coffee has significantly improved. There is far too much hype over this grinder

I was going with the encore, but ended up with the ode g2. Thing is an absolute beast

I had a Cuisinart grinder for almost 2 years. It made passable French press and auto drip coffee but once you get something like an Ode (Gen 2) with nice burrs, you definitely notice the difference in the cup. Either go hand grinder to save money, or save money to get a better grinder overall. There are lots of good options for good prices.

I have an IZpresso J-Max and I used to use it for filter. I have an Ode Gen 2 with SSP MP burrs these days and have had it almost 2 years. Not only easier, especially for light roasts, but it makes better filter coffee for sure. Yeah, I know, the hand grinder I have is pretty much espresso but there is a clear difference to me in the flavor from conical burrs and flat burrs in filter coffee. I mostly brew with my Aiden now, but still also use AeroPress, French press and OXO Rapid Brewer. If you are looking to spend the money, I would definitely recommend Ode.

Quick PSA if you're using dark roast beans that are oily you'll have to clean out an Ode every couple of weeks. Best way to avoid this is to light roast only

Assuming it's actually medium, not what Aussie roasters call medium, shouldn't be too bad.

I’m using the Ode Gen 2 stock burrs all the time at home and a Lido OG on the road with an Aeropress or for espresso. It’s not that the OG makes a lousy cup, it’s certainly fantastic, but I enjoy the workflow and taste from the burrs and convenience of the electric grinder. By slowly feeding the beans, I get a great cup almost every time, no matter what I’m brewing on the V60 or flat bottom. I also know the grinder very well and comfort has a lot to do with it for me. The only ways I would do something different is if I spent a boat load on a Z2 or messed around with a high clarity hand grinder like a ZP6 or Pietro Pro to have profile options.

Used, I would go Ode Gen 2 on Marketplace. New, check the Shardor 64mm flat burr grinder on Amazon. It is $169 on Amazon in the US. A couple months ago, it had a $30 coupon.

I missed the timemore presale so I was debating a bigger price difference than you but I went with the ode 2 and have been very happy. It's substantially cheaper, even compared to the 078s you mentioned, which was my big reason to get it over the 078. I would recommend the regular gen 2 burrs to start and if you feel like you need more it is easy to upgrade later.

Same budget, £250. Electric, not looking for entry level, but the ones where the returns start to returns start to diminish significantly by paying more. Had been looking at the Ode 2, just wondering what the alternatives are these days. Haven’t been keeping up to date much in recent years.

I had one of those and upgraded to a Baratza encore years ago. I'd get the newer encore esp now. I have the fellow ode gen 2 now and would not recommend it for your needs.

Ode 2 is very good

I’m in the same boat. I have a Virtuoso I’ve been using about 10 years now. Recently bought a ZP6. Also recently got into decaf so I went from doing 1 pourover per day to doing 4-6. With decaf all day the hand-grinding and pourover routine became tedious. So I’m using the virtuoso for decaf and the hand grinder for caffeine in the morning. I’m not happy with the grind consistency of the virtuoso and I’m now considering the ode gen 2. Anyone have first hand experience with both? Extra points if you’ve been grinding decaf in them.

I've had both. The price difference between an electric and a good hand grinder has narrowed. If I was starting over I would probably get an ode2 with brew burrs. I started with a 1zpresso jx. Not very good for filter. Then took a big step up to a comandante Mk 4. Now using ode 2 with mp burrs. Looking at varia vs6 but probably will wait at least another year or 2 to see what else comes out. Nearing end stage purchase.

I really like my X Ultra, but prefer my Ode 2 and not just for convenience. I’m getting a better more consistent grind from it as well.

Perhaps not quite the answer you're looking for, but one of *the* best purchases I've made recently was for a Fellow Ode 2. Before that I was using an X-Ultra. The latter is a really good grinder, but the Ode is simply stellar (so far).

I second the Ode 2! A bout of tennis elbow forced my hand (quite literally), and I broke the bank to get one. A real game changer for me as it sped up my morning routine considerably.

definitely ode (gen2!!!) and/or you consider the Flair Power Tower (I used to have an ARCO with similar design and I liked it!)

It’s been mentioned but Fellow Ode really is a great grinder. Might have some decent deals with Black Friday. I bought a refurbished gen 1 Ode and it’s been great. Recently upgraded to the gen 2 brew burrs and it’s even better. Before this my grinder was a 1Zpresso JX. Which I still love my hand grind but not having to hand grind every time I want coffee is nice. But hand grinders will punch above their weight for similarly priced electric grinders. Can’t really go wrong with any of the 1Zpresso ones from what I’ve read and my experience with the JX

Really the best option (with nothing else coming close IMO) is the Encore, as others have commented. I’d stay away from the Opus, personally. The Ode Gen 2 is probably the best you’re going to get at that price point, but it’s quite a bit more than you’d like to spend so I wouldn’t recommend it. It’s also really best for filter brews, you’re not going to be able to grind fine enough for espresso. Save yourself the hassle, get the Encore. A lot of my barista friends have it and swear by it. You’ll absolutely love it as it’s a huge step up from what you’re using and their customer support is excellent.

If you’re not looking for a grinder that can handle espresso, the Ode Gen 2 is probably the best grinder at that price point. Build quality is great and the burrs are great out of the box (at least they were for me). Has a premium quality feel/look and grinds fantastically. Obviously there are more expensive options that give more control, but you can’t go wrong with the Ode. It’s definitely a jump up in price from the Encore, but a worthwhile one.

I'd personally get a filter-only grinder. Wait for a sale, grab an Ode Gen 2, and buy an espresso grinder when the time comes (DF54 is insane value). The best grinders for double duty are medium-high clarity conical grinders like Comandante, K-Ultra etc IMO. The Femobook A5 and Lagom Casa are a couple electric grinders that are in the same category (I haven't tried either, but they're well reviewed). I previously used a Lagom Mini for both filter and espresso and it was fantastic. The DF54 and 64 both do a decent job at filter, but it's not great. The 64 mm SSP MP burrs are often recommended as a do-it-all burr set, but they are for a very specific espresso profile and they are not beginner friendly for espresso. I didn't enjoy the espresso with them. SSP Cast are supposed to be decent for both, but you're giving up the clarity everyone is always seeking. A couple other decent options that I've tried are Ditting 54mm steel burrs in the Vario+ and Eureka's 50 mm brew burrs in an entry level mignon. The UX is not ideal with either of these setups compared to a grinder designed to single dose. If the Ditting burrs fit in the DF without crazy mods it would be a great option. Edit: I forgot to mention that there are now brew burrs available for the DF54. I'm planning to grab a set to try out once they're available in Canada.

As everyone is suggesting a good grinder is key. PLUS good beans! A local roaster or at the very least some quality beans from the store—NOT Starbucks or Dunkin beans that were roasted months ago. Ideally something roasted within a few weeks of you using them. And the grinder can be set to produce the right size grinds for anything from espresso to Aeropress to drip coffee maker. I too have the Fellow Ode 2 which is expensive to start out but worth it once you dial in on what you like to drink.

My ode gen 2 wouldn't work right since I unboxed it and it rattled. I also couldn't get ahold of customer service, and they still haven't responded to my last email a week ago. The ode is only a week old to me... (all communication with fellow warranty isndone via email and videos. They denied my claim and Amazon stopped sending replacements of the ode gem 2 due to high complaints, so i returned it). I did really enjoy the coffee for medium roast, but the cheap build quality, the noisy operation, and the HORRIBLE customer service they have, led.me to the Sculptor 078 with turbo burrs. It has great reviews for lighter roasts, so I may have to buy a separate grinder for medium/medium dark... still no clue which one, though. My $0.02

I grabbed a Fellow Ode 2 a few years ago. Been happy with it and have had no problems

This, my gen 2 Ode makes fantastic v60/switch, Aromaboy and Aeropress brews. I also have a Niche Duo with both sets of burrs, the filter burrs are better than the ode, but not £500 better.

Personally just upgraded from a similar grinder to a fellow ode gen 2. I grind a similar amount every morning and I went from multiple cycles to being able to grind my coffee in under 15 seconds. If you don’t mind splurging a bit it’s a very nice grinder.

Some will push back against this but in General Electric is able to outperform hand grinding. The issue though is “for what price?” The get the same performance from an electric as a hand grinder, you pay more money. I have had an Ode Gen 2 ($350 electric), P64 ($1800 electric), Lagom 01 ($3000 electric) and a Pietro ($500 hand grinder) . It’s a lot of hassle to use the Pietro but it makes a great cup or pour over. The Lagom 01 is my “best” grinder by quality of the cup and experience using it. It has 102mm blind burrs in it that you could not have in a hand grinder. The cups it makes aren’t 6x the cups of a Pietro though. Hope that helps

the ode gen 2 can hold 100g in the stock hopper. gen 1 is a bit smaller

Agree with gt. I own zp6 and ode 2 (stock) and mainly use my ZP6 (for 15-20g) it's about fast as the ode (also, slow feeding with the ode is not easy as the grinder tend to auto stop). While the ode do a lot of mess on my table/room. I'm not sure that having both is that interesting and I'm considering selling my ode after some more comparative test. If you are bored with your current setup I would suggest to try some drip assist. It will give you different brew style for just 15$.

Hahah Thanx, 2 years of daily use without knowing

Just upgraded from an encore to an ode 2!!! Do it

I’d unhesitatingly recommend the xBloom studio. Usual declarations: own xBloom, Aiden, Ode 2, don’t use the latter two any more. Bc I like to customise grind a bit more I have an a4z I use with the xBloom. Pros of xBloom: better coffee (imo), better workflow, integrated grinder saves you money, smells nicer and you can see the coffee being made (the importance of this may be different for you and me.) cons: brew volume if you need batch, but you can always brew back to back. Pros of Aiden: batch (although I don’t like the carafe). Cons: in every other way, the xBloom is better (again, ymmv). Customer service from Fellow was… fine. Nice people. Neither of the pieces of kit I bought lived up to the reputation - I had to go in and shim the grinder to get it aligned properly (tbf, a lot of people love the grinder). I think there’s a decent chance that Aiden v2 will be actually good, but I’m sticking with xBloom or hand pouring.

Sounds like my experience too! Had an Ode 2 and didn’t love it. Now have an a4z for single dose and a Wolf’s Uniform if I ever want batch…

I have a fellow ode with ssp multipurpose burrs and ssp umv1 brew burrs, a zp6 and a orphan espresso lido 3. All 3 grinders make great coffee with different body feel and clarity between them. I prefer the zp6 over the mp and stock ode burrs. The zp6 has more clarity than the ode 2 burrs and the ssp mp burrs can be picky with certain coffees. I have made great and terrible cups with the mp burrs. The unimodal v1 brew burrs in the ode give me more clarity and I prefer them to the zp6. But I really wouldn't know that or prefer that without trying both back to back several times. The zp6 makes great coffee and doesn't have lottery reliability after a few years. The zp6 is cheaper and consistently makes great coffee. I think you will also be happy with a regular ode 2 for convenience however I think the zp6 will consistently make better coffee without dealing with minor issues the ode may have.

I have both and I only use the Ode 2 for pourover. The Ode 2 doesn't do espresso so I use the hand grinder for that but if it could do espresso too, I probably wouldn't use the handgrinder as much. Handgrinding isn't bad, but it is annoying enough that the ease of pressing a button (especially first thing in the morning), is worth it. If you can, I would probably try out a hand grinder before being stuck with one.

For consistency and grind quality, a burr grinder is superior to a blade grinder. No question. There are two types of burr grinders: conical and flat. Flat burrs generally produce the most consistent results, but conical burrs are many steps above a blade grinder. I have a Fellow Ode Gen 2 and Baratza Encore. The Ode is superior in all regards except price. However it is not 3-4x better. The Encore served me well for ten years and is a very capable grinder. It prepared me for the precision and clean workflow of the Ode.

In our household, the Moccamaster and Fellow Ode Gen 2 have been a good combination. They are very easy to use and keep clean, and quick and quiet, too. Moccamaster is known for its durability, and ours, ten years old and used every day, still works like new. Though, if they are often brewing less than 20 g of coffee at once, I guess Aiden would be better.

I find that the zero doesn’t grind coarse enough for filter, which is why I still use my ode for that (plus it’s nice to have two grinders at two settings).

I have a Fellow Ode Gen 2. Granted it’s electric, but built like a tank. Not cheap but it grinds perfectly for a variety of coarseness and I expect it will last many years.

If you have no need for espresso, then the Ode 2 is great.

encore conical burrs make silky dark roast coffee, if that's what they like I suggest encore. I have Ode Gen 2 also, but it's more $ than the encore.

Keep an eye on how much they can grind at one time if you are using filter coffee. I just got the Fellow Ode Gen 2 and am happy with it so far - I am far, far from an expert. I don't know if it grinds for espresso, but it has a hopper large enough for several cups of ground, and not just a single dose.

Are you currently making pourover coffee? I know this sounds like a dumb question, but I've seen plenty of people who buy expensive equipment and end up not liking the actual process of making coffee. So if you are already and looking to up your game, then I would say the Ode Gen 2 is worth it as someone who used an Encore for years (10+) and has recently upgraded in the past year. However, if you aren't already doing pourovers and just trying to see if you like it, I would recommend getting a dripper and a cheaper (but still good quality) hand grinder and see if you like the workflow. Can you imagine doing this every morning to make coffee? Can you imagine investing the time to perfect your technique? You may or may not. To each their own. But before you buy expensive equipment, maybe that's a good starting place. Just my two cents.

I would get an electric one, it really is worth the convenience on the days you don't want to hand grind. But the main reason is I don't think hand grinders make as good espresso, well most. They can make a soup shot so if you like light roast and dont want milk in it, they are good. If you want traditional espresso an electric would be good. Before the Sage I would look at the fellow opus or even the baratza esp which is the same brand as sage. Or if you can get a flat burr probably that 400 range unfortunetly. They have the df-54 which is cheap and the fellow ode gen 2. Not sure what type coffee you make but as long as you don't use an open face portafilter or want Turkish it works best.

The ode 2 is the best in that price range for pour over and filter. I would highly suggest getting that one. I love it.

The fellow is great for workflow and not a pain in the morning because handgrinding can suck sometimes. I might get that one, but it won't get you your daintier cups. It does produce a great cup of coffee. If you want that dainty tea like a cup, I would go with the c40 and $260 because it gives a better balanced, less citric acidic cup. Oh, and great extraction. The zp6 is too tea like more acidic, and the acidity is citric, not slick.

The ode would be good for the brevel. Depends on the style pour over you want. It can make pour over, but if you want a cleaner or balanced cup, then there are better options. For pure flavor and cup quality, the c40. I would choose electric though, so maybe an opus. Or I personally would get an ode gen2. With the esp doesn't your breville come with the same burrs? Maybe you can upgrade the burrs in the l the machine, but its calibrated for espresso and not great for pour over. With that, i would go ode gen 2, c40, opus, esp. And BTW, with pressurized baskets, the ode works great. It's not good at espresso with an open face basket.

I definitely agree with the blended point. My experience has been that I get better acidity out of the ZP6 though. If I want a cup with more body/mouthfeel/sweetness, I go for the ode. If I want more clarity and acidity, it’s the ZP6. I think the two grinders complement each other well for brewing different kinds of beans and processes.

It’s phenomenal but more than £200

If you're needing to grind 60g at a time you can count the casa out, probably the P64 and varia too. The casa hopper (is it really a hopper?) supposedly holds 30g, I can comfortably feed it 37g in one go, but a 60g dose you'd definitely need to feed it in two parts. I think 60g would be pushing it for all of the hoppers you've mentioned, although I think both the ode and timemore have extended hoppers available if needed.

Why niche? OP wants to grind up to 80g in one go, and only uses French press, and sometimes V60 and aeropress. Why would they want an espresso grinder that isn't particularly great for filter brews? Especially considering that there's filter focused grinders like the ode 2 available for less money.

I mean, it's passable. It's very much a classic style espresso grinder and produces heaps of fines, this makes it super forgiving for dialing in espresso as it provides a pretty wide sweet spot, but isn't really ideal for V60 due to increased risk of clogging, or French press as it will result in a siltier brew. Not to mention the fact it can't grind those doses that OP wants to grind in one go. So if OP isn't brewing espresso, why spend more on a espresso focused grinder that does a worse job at filter brews than a filter optimised grinder that also happens to be cheaper?

To note, the Gen 2 adds * anti-static tech * Bigger hopper (80g?) with higher sides, the old model sometime needed "encouragement" to get all the beans ground * No beep at end * Better burrs (some Gen 1's have the improved burrs) Either way its a great grinder, noises are a LOT better than my old grinder. But the 2 is a worthwhile upgrade

Well it can't grind for espresso... So it's not like not recommended, it's simply not possible 

No it's not... 

For filter, yes. Ode2 is not recommended for espresso though

If electric is a must then Fellow Ode Gen 1 (then change burrs later) or Gen 2 on sale, if hand grinding is an option you have many more options

As someone who graduated from an Encore to the Fellow Ode 2 I suggest saving until you can afford the Ode 2. While the Encore is a very solid grinder, the fines produced can be tricky to deal with in a pour over. I cannot imagine the Oxo will be on par with the Encore in terms of fines and grind uniformity. So if you’re talking $300 already, spend $400 on the Ode 2 which makes significantly better cups than the Encore. The Ode 2 has much higher clarity than the Encore. But I should also specify that I enjoy more clarity and brightness, I drink light to very light roast coffee. If you are into medium to dark roasts and like a thicker, chocolate like cup then the Encore will work a treat.

I’m a pour over fan. I started with an OG Ode (from the Kickstarter campaign!) which I modded with the V2 burrs. Then I got interested in the Comandante C40, which my brother was raving about… so I got that. And then I bought a ZP6 because I was curious if I could taste the difference from its burr set. I’ve kept all three and I just rotate between them depending on my mood. The Ode V2 and the C40 deliver very similar results. Curious what you think of the K-Ultra as I’m eyeing that as another purchase that I’d bring to and then leave at my in-laws’ house, so I don’t have to carry a grinder when I travel.

I recently upgraded to Fellow Ode gen 2 for filter and I have been very impressed. Still need to spritz water to minimize static but super happy with it other wise

I run the machine for a second after the first to help get it out. I also run the machine for a second before adding the beans.

I have a Timemore C2, 1Zpresso K-MAX, DF64 gen 2 and for Christmas just got a Fellow Ode Gen 2. After hand grinding for 4 years; the Ode has been such a welcomed addition to my setup. I LOVE it. It's honestly such a joy to use. I use the DF64 strictly for espresso, I didn't want to faff around between espresso grind/filter grind and purging loads of beans each time. It can do filter quite nicely, but wasn't worth the faff when the KMax was giving me the results I wanted. The only real negative with the Ode is that if you're spritzing your beans, sometimes they can get stuck to the walls in the hopper. But I 3D printed a hopper with steeper walls and that's solved this. \*subjective\* As for taste, the Ode gen 2 is producing some of the cups I've ever had. A noticeable improvement in clarity and flavour separation in naturals. TL;DR - Ode Gen 2 still good - highly recommend.

I'm a tu ally considering this. I had a fellow ode gen 2, then got a df64v with ssp MP, then timemore 078 (sold it), then added the oden gen2 burrs to the df64v and I'm happy with it. I am considering getting the pietro just because it is so much praised here and it seems to be close to the EK43. But I'm a bit worried about hand grinidjng being annoying and me not using it too much.

I've heard the opposite. Poor retention etc... I have the Ode 2 and really like it.

No experience with any of the other grinders, but I love my ode gen 2

You *can* grind for espresso with the Ode Gen 2 (or the Ode 1 if you switch to the Gen 2 or SSP-MP burrs). It’s just that Fellow claims that the motor doesn’t have the power to constantly grind for espresso, and you’ll shorten the life by doing so frequently. Adjustment is also not really granular enough for dialing in espresso, though that can be mitigated by doing the “stepless adjustment mod”. Hot starting (starting motor before dumping in beans) helps motor life as well as grind consistency.

Yes, the Encore is loud, and the Ode is significantly quieter.

I’m going to assume you are talking electric grinders as opposed to manual hand grinders. In case you aren’t aware, there is a whole world of hand grinders out there, and you can get a hand grinder that will equal or exceed the quality of coffee from an electric grinder, for less money. But with a MoccaMaster, brewing full pots, hand grinding could get tedious. Do y’all drink light, medium, or dark roast? Dark roast, I’d probably recommend a conical burr grinder. Light to medium roast, probably a flat burr grinder. But there are exceptions - There are some conical burr grinders out there that do very well with light to medium roast beans. Encore is a basic (but good quality) conical burr grinder, with a couple of advantages - Excellent customer service, and also with thousands of these out there, it’s very easy to research grind settings. It’s about $150 on Amazon. You would not need the ESP version if not brewing espresso. Fellow Ode is also a good option. It has 64mm flat burrs, and the Gen 2 is on sale for $320 right now through either Fellow or Amazon. I’ve owned the Gen 1 version for a couple of years and just recently installed Gen 2 burrs in it. The fact that it uses 64mm burrs is a big plus - If y’all get real serious about coffee and/or decide to get into manual brewing like pourover and/or Aeropress, etc., there are many different aftermarket 64mm burr sets available. Another compelling (but unconventional) recommendation would be one of the rechargeable offerings from Femobook. These are remarkable grinders, essentially, rechargeable, electrified versions of 1Zpresso grinders like the ZP6. One charge lasts a long, long time. Like, weeks, at least. And then you don’t have to deal with a cord. The lack of clutter on the counter and ability to just put it easily in the cabinet when not in use, or travel with it easily, is attractive. These grinders have really captured my imagination lately, especially the A4Z version. Might be worth a look - they’re cool. The reviews I’ve read here have been just raving about how good they are. There are so many grinders out there! I’m sure other people would have good recommendations as well.

The ode gen 2 online us 20% off for US right now which is an absolute steal! If it’s available in Australia then it’s a clear winner for me. I have a k-ultra I use for espresso and pourover at work and an ode gen 2 at home. The stock burrs are just everything I want in a cup—solid body but still hits the tasting notes on my bag most times. You can always get ssp burrs if you want more clarity but I think they’ve hit a perfect balance. The ionizer works very, very well so minimal mess and motor is strong/quiet. I feel no need to upgrade and I bought at launch.

What hand grinder did you come from? I have an ode gen 2 which I love but got a K Ultra for travel, espresso and pourover. I still gravitate towards my k ultra because it’s much quieter on early mornings, so I’m curious what hand grinder is louder than the ode. I like cups from both and for batch brewing with the Aiden, the ode wins for convenience.

K-ultra user reporting in. Espresso is good, pourover is good. If I had to choose I still go with my ode gen 2 for pourover but only for specific uses. I dont mind the hand grind at all, actually I love how quiet it is and my situation is unique in that I have a pourover setup for work so I bring it to and from each day—portability is phenomenal. All depends on your situation.

I’m going to agree with ginbooth, best purchase I made when I started this journey seriously 9 months ago!

Fellow Ode 2 is fast and pretty quiet.

Hey mate I can speak to the quality of the second generation ode. I have used this daily along slide a zp6s and I loved my Ode. Its price point is great, its adjustments are good (I feel the zp6s has a better micro adjustments) and its all round small footprint is a nice thing to have as well. It also has room to upgrade with 3rd party burrs if you feel it needed. But all round a grinder you will see and will make you smile.

I haven’t had to calibrate my Ode 2, and the stock burrs are great; I think people switch to SSP burrs if you want to highlight acidity and clarity. The stock burrs already provide good clarity because they’re flat burrs, but make a sweeter cup than the SSPs (so I read).

The Ode 2 does everything except espresso, is relatively quiet and fairly quick. I bought one because I borrowed a friend’s and it was half as loud and twice as quick as my previous grinder. 70g takes less than 20 seconds I think?

The Encore is still decent for pour over, a lot of people use it and I think it’s 98% of people’s first ‘good’ grinder. If you’re seriously thinking about getting into pour over, then I’d consider getting a Fellow Ode 2 as it’s a good step up from the Encore and you’d notice the difference in clarity. It’s more expensive but the value is definitely there. And I think a kettle is the last thing to get. Definitely nice to have, a goose neck makes pouring easier, and temp control is pretty much a must (IMO), but I think Hoffmann has said you can use a regular spouted kettle for pour over.

Overall, flat burrs create less fines thank conical, and the Ode 2 creates less fines than the Encore. I still get some ‘sludge’ in my French press, I think it’s unavoidable, but the Ode 2 will create less than the Encore.

I did a lot of research last month when I got my Ode 2 and it just seemed to be the right one for me as I don’t do espresso at home. I got on sale and it was a no brainer. Not only that there’s a lot of stuff on the internet about the Ode 2 so good reference material for what people are using for grind size. It’s well supported including Fellow Drops which gives some good brew guides for coffees in their program. If you will or also do espresso then probably better to up the budget but I don’t know there. I purposefully and willingly spend $5-6 a shot at my favorite coffee shops when I want espresso as I know I will go down a rabbit hole and end up with $3k of coffee gear on my counter if I start in on it :)

I use an Ode V2 with stock burrs and it’s great for me. Well seasoned and calibrated it’s just about perfect for pour over.

I started out with a very cheap ceramic burr hand grinder, just to at least be able to grind coffee fresh when I first started buying from specialty roasters. When I was looking to upgrade to something better, I was under the misguided impression that electric grinders with larger flat burrs must just be better in all ways to any hand grinder, and I ended up saving up and splashing out the ~£400 for the Gen 2 Ode. Don't get me wrong, the Ode is a great grinder which I still own and really like the workflow of, but after around a year of use the cups were not hitting the same. By this point I was working in specialty coffee and had gathered a lot more understanding, and I thought about replacing or upgrading the burrs in my Ode but just could not justify the price, and my eyes were opening to the advantages of a high quality hand grinder for filter coffee. I settled on the K-Ultra and my expectations were thoroughly exceeded; I just enjoyed the flavour profile so much more, and suddenly this standard of coffee was portable. It's hard to place myself firmly in either the electric or manual camp, but hopefully this hammers home the importance of considering what is going to be the right move for you and your preferences/situation - try not to go into it with a feeling that one type of grinder will just be better or worse

I’m trying to love it but it makes such a mess everyday. I sprinkle a lil water on top of the beans, slap the tab and even tap the lid at the end. Any pointers?

I have both. Enjoy both but I keep the casa just for espresso. I prefer the ode 2 but that may be because the espresso fines leads to less clarity through the casa. With that said the casa is great and you can use it for both of you are only willing to get one grinder.

So I did this a couple of years ago when the Ode 2 came out - i had moved through much of my coffee journey and really started to hone in on what I liked and didnt like about it. I also was moving to a Ratio6 and wanted a single dose grinder that had capacity for a full brew at once (obviously can just put beans in twice - but i wanted to just do it at once). Niche was great while I was feeling out what brewing methods I wanted to use long term - but for my pot of coffee daily, and for the times i do a nice aeropress/clever - the Ode 2 was more than capable. Im sure there are others on the market at this point that are competitive with the Ode as well for the money.

I'll toss in another rec for the Ode Gen 2. Absolutely love it, and the anti-static technology is a godsend.

I started with the Hario Skerton hand grinder or whatever it’s called…. Upgraded to the Encore. The biggest downside of that for me was the noise. Eventually an ill family member was getting into coffee and me and my wife decided to donate the Encore to him to make the rest of his time more enjoyable by having tools to really enjoy a cup. That’s when I upgraded to the Ode 2 and so far have zero complaints. I’m just using the standard burrs but that’s fine with me.

Both are excellent for and really geared toward filter/pour over. They can handle mom’s pot but not true espresso. Low end of Ode Gen 2 is around 250-300 microns and 078 is 370. The 078S and 064S can both grind finder and do True espresso. But from everything I gather, those birds don’t produce as good of a pour over cup. I had actually ordered the 078S first because I wanted to future proof it if I ever got into espresso, but ended up returning it without opening the box because I got a lot of feedback that it wasn’t as good for pour over. For what you’re looking for, Ode Gen 2 will give you most bang for your buck and pretty great price-quality ratio. The 078 is incredible and a noticeable improvement over the the Ode Gen 2, but it is basically twice the price - and the cups aren’t twice as good. Still worth it in my opinion.

Ode Gen 2 is great, as is Timemore 078 (though slightly above the budget you mentioned). I own both, and think that each offer incredible value at their price point

I have an Ode Gen 2 and Timemore 078 and couldn’t more highly recommend either, depending on how much you want to spend. Either will make a MASSIVE difference in your brews…both in quality and consistency. As I saw at least one other person mention here - you can get a great grinder cheaper if you want to go the hand grinder route. But that’s a whole nother decision and set of variables to think about

I much prefer the 078. It’s just like a better version of the Ode, in every way. But it’s 2X the price. It’s not twice as good, but enough of an improvement to be worth it. But depends on your preference. You could also get an Ode Gen 2 and a great hand grinder (like a ZP6) for less than the cost of an 078, then have the potential to create brews with two very different cup profiles. I’m a proponent of buy once cry once…or at least try. So I’d recommend going for the “best” that is in your budget. Otherwise you’ll probably be upgrading again sooner rather than later anyway….

Hand grinding is pretty easy, that would be my first choice, especially because it's pretty quiet. Kingrinder K6 or 1zPresso X-Ultra. They can grind for espresso if you want. For more money, there's also 1zPresso K-Ultra or Comandante. For electric, you could go with Baratza Encore ESP, that can use a large hopper, or the single dose hopper that's way prettier. But it's loud. Fellow Opus is maybe a little quieter, but I wouldn't count on it. If you can spend more and forget about espresso altogether, the best option would be Fellow Ode 2.

Encore is still good, Encore ESP is much better - it has the M2 burrs, and can grind for espresso. For more money, and filter only, Fellow Ode 2 is the best you can get at that price point. If you're thinking about a hand grinder, the 2 most obvious options are Kingrinder K6 or 1zPresso K-Ultra. They are both superior to the Encore in grind quality, and actually similar to one another. Kingrinder if you want to save some money, 1zPresso if you want better quality in construction (and a magnetic catch cup, that is really nice to have). They're both meant for filter, but can do a pretty good job grinding for espresso.

TLDR: tried a bunch of grinders/burrs, settled on 078 and ode with SSP mp v1 (brew). Might move on from my zp6. I recently went down the grinder rabbit hole. I've had a zp6 for about two years. Regarding 64mm burrs, I sourced 2 fellow odes and swapped through: SSP mp v1(brew), SSP MP v2, ode gen 2, and 64mm sculptor turbo burrs doing side by sides. I brew via v60 and mainly brew ultralight/light washed and natural coffees. Looking for clarity, gen 2 burrs are too blendy for me. The 64mm turbos are a bit more clear but still not enough. MP v2 are good with vibrant acidity and clarity but definitely more astringent from the extra fines. I settled on the mp v1 (brew) burrs. They have the highest clarity, lowest body, but tend to be easier to brew to reduce astringency. In parallel I also sourced a timemore 078 and timemore 078ssp. The 078 SSP for brew has higher clarity but the intensity is dialed back compared to the 64 SSP mps. It's a different presentation. I really enjoyed the 078 turbo. Brews are high in clarity while retaining good body with added juiciness and sweetness. Noticably sweeter than the 078ssp. The build quality on the 078 is definitely superior to the ode. I don't think it's a fair comparison as price points are different. I'm keeping the 078 for naturals and funkier coffees in addition to washed. The ode with brew burrs will be focused for washed coffees. While yes you could jump straight to 80mm or 98mm recommendations, I think it makes sense to dabble in entry level flat burr grinders first so you can appreciate the difference. When you move into 80mm or 98mm there will be many types of burrs to help you achieve a certain brew, but the price point goes up substantially so it's hard to cycle through them all. You may very well find yourself needing two types of grinders to maximize coffees that are processed differently. For me I'm not a fan of Weber or zerno. I think the cost markup is a bit high for what it is. In addition to the p80, bookoo is rolling out an 80mm grinder also called the motto 80. Maybe worth looking into. Timemore m01 is another great hand grinder I've had the pleasure to use. Good clarity, body, juiciness, intensity and flavor progression. For me zp6 is clear but flavors and cup progression is not very cohesive. It leaves something to be desired. Another good guide for burr comparisons can be found here: https://www.robertasami.com/burrtopia

Regarding the Ode 2 specifically: it's sold as a filter-only grinder; doesn't go fine enough for espresso. It's what I use at home, and I can confirm that its price-to-quality ratio is absolutely excellent. (And IIRC most other good filter-oriented electric grinders are more expensive than it.)

OK fabulous. As electric grinders go: bluntly, the Ode 2 is the thing you're looking for. New, it was $350ish last I looked; you can also buy an Ode 1 second-hand and upgrade it (which is what I did, and IMO the upgrade is mandatory), but that's a project. Every other electric grinder that you would consider buying is more expensive. (My bias is: I very do not want a hand grinder lol.) If you want to learn more, you might find [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgjvLQu5NlE) useful. James Hoffman is a well-known coffee youtuber, and that's his intro video on grinders.

> If it’s REALLY something I should look into... It really is. > ... can anyone recommend one that would accommodate a small amount of beans at a time? I don’t want a big hopper to deal with as I’m generally drinking something different every morning Most good grinders, actually. Large hoppers have largely gone out of fashion because a lot of coffee drinkers do exactly this. > ... can anyone recommend one... Depends on your budget. I used the Oxo conical burr grinder for a while, and as a grinder it's a very good cost-to-value ratio. It's not really set up for small quantities of beans, but you can get a bellows thing that really helps. TBH, though, get the Fellow Ode gen 2. New it's become too expensive, but you can find used ones on ebay for not-ridiculous prices. It's just an excellent single-serve grinder. (Or do what I did and get an Ode gen 1 and fit the Gen 2 burrs -- those really are worth it.)

Ok if you have the Cuisinart grinder, basically anything is an upgrade. Which is good! * The Oxo burr grinder is an entirely ok starter grinder.  * The Fellow Ode is excellent. * The Baratza Encore is very well regarded. 

I like my Ode 2 decent enough, if you wait 3 weeks a lot of these will be even cheaper on Black Friday sales too.

I like the convenience of my Fellow Ode 2. It makes great cups of coffee . I believe it’s on sale on the fellow website this current weekend

If your budget allows I'd also recommend the fellow ode 2 i use it for areopress, french press, and mokapot. And have had no issue with it.

I think both the 078s and the Lagom Casa is geared more towards espresso if you are only doing espresso 30% of the time. Of those two the Casa will have a lot more fines. I think the Lagom Mini would be your best bet for an all rounder filter focused. It is supposedly similar to a Comandante C40 or a K-Ultra but motorized plus people like it for espresso too. Or a flat burr that can grind for both would be something like the Baratza Vario W+. You would need steel burrs not ceramic. But like others have said it is kind of annoying to have one grinder for both filter and espresso. If you are willing to spend $600+ you could probably afford 2 though. I know hand grinding for espresso sucks but since this is the pourover sub. I would say go all out on a filter focused grinder like the Timemore 078 or the Fellow Ode 2 then get an espresso focused grinder later on like a df54 or df64.

All the popular options already mentioned. I used the Oxo for about a year. Nice enough grind but the timer didn’t deliver the same quantity of grounds each day. I ruled out the KM5 because I didn’t want to stand there with my finger on the button while it worked. Baratza Encore has an on-off switch on the side but still feeds from a hopper — not a big problem mind you, but accuracy would require some weighing. Fellow Ode 2 is set up to grind enough beans for one pot, so I have to weigh before I grind. And the Ode 2 shuts off automatically when the beans are gone. So I picked the Ode 2. Still in its first week, but it’s quiet and delivers some really nice grind for the MM. Your choice will depend on your own workflow. But any of Baratza, Fellow, or Moccamaster will deliver a great grind.

A pre-owned Fellow Ode Gen 1 with Gen 2 burrs seem to show up as low as $150; definitely an upgrade over the Opus.

I upgraded to the Ode Gen 2 from the Oxo conical grinder. I wanted to upgrade my kettle as well so I actually got the Ode Gen 2+Fellow stagg bundle that fellow sells. It's not a bad deal if you compare buying them separately. So if you're looking to upgrade your kettle as well, take a look at that bundle.

Before the stagg I was using some cheaper Amazon kettle. But I really like the stagg, the precision temp control and the pour spout. Just a solid kettle that as long as it lasts me 5+ years is worth the money for me. But some think it's quite overpriced. I would say so! More consistent grind and I feel like I'm getting more out of my cups. However, I did have to get a replacement. My first one had way too much retention that was ridiculous. But they replaced it for me, which I did in the store (not sure how mailing would have gone). My main complaint is I still need to do RDT despite its anti-static tech. Without RDT, it makes too much of a mess for a $400 grinder in my opinion. But other than that, I'm happy with the upgrade.

I have a DF64ii, a Philos, a Gevi, and an Ode 2 for electric grinders. I've brought the DF64ii into work. At home, for pourovers, I almost always use the ZP6 hand grinder.

I love my ZP6. I also have a DF64ii, a Gevi, and an Ode 2. I rarely do batches as large as you do, but I usually gravitate to the ZP6. But the DF64ii is solid. I'm setting up a coffee station at work, and it'll be my go-to work grinder. My Gevi works really well when I use my v60 or Origami, but I still use the ZP6. I don't use my Ode very often.

I got the Ode 2 for filter and left my Encore ESP for Espresso (which I was also using for filter previously). The ESP is great for that. The Ode 2 is amazing for filter.

I have the ode 2, was looking at timemore 078 but can't really justify the massive jump in price. Can always buy different burrs if want to change it up in the future

Ode 2 or DF54. Both are really good. If you have any slight thought about trying out espresso, then for sure go with the DF54. Differences between them are minor, so go with your gut feeling or aesthetics.

I've had an Ode w/ Gen 2 burrs for years and recently got a ZP6 to bring more clarity to my lighter washed coffees. I find that I tend to gravitate towards the Ode for Naturals and sweetness-focused coffees (eg more light-medium, honey processing) as I feel that it accentuates the body more, and those types of beans IMO seem to taste better with that body. But yeah, everyone's tastes are different so YMMV.

I went with the ode gen 2 and I’m very happy and not in the hole for your full 500

I got C40 and Ode Gen 2, both are capable of equally good filter coffee.

I've had the Niche for years and it's absolutely a bad grinder for light roast pourovers with delicate notes. Too many fines clog the paper and muddy the flavor. And those same fines make it a great espresso grinder for thick body. ...so I have a Niche and a Ode Gen2

the ode 2 is a little quieter than the sound of an electric pencil sharpener when it’s sharpening a pencil. and i agree that the encore is louder than the ode 2. i use the ode 2 with a moccamaster and it’s great. if you get it, i recommend to slow-feed it, as it’s a single dose grinder, so it doesn’t jam.

Fellow Ode gen 2 has been great for me. It's a nice allrounder which is very convenient to use. The clarity is on the high end and maybe not the best for darker roasts. At least I've not managed to brew darker roasts well with it and more success with pre-grinded mid to dark roasts. I also have 1z X grinder and it makes good coffee with less clarity than ode 2. Making many rounds of coffee is less appealing but grinding 20 g once is just a nice wake up routine. 

Ode gen 2 is great at making pleasant coffee and good for its price. High quality light roast coffee is gonna taste quite a bit more interesting if you go up one notch to Timemore 078 for electric or ZP6/Pietro for manual. The clarity and lower fines makes a big difference in my experience. 

ZP6 will give better coffee I hear than Ode 2 with high quality light roast. Ode gen 2 is great with lower budget coffee, but to me it's not as exciting as with "better" grinders. Lacks a bit clarity. I've not used ZP6 but it's recommended strongly by people that has used everything up to the best grinders. 

I’ve been using a Capresso conical burr grinder for about 20y now (first one lasted about 12y - replaced it about 8y ago now) .. they’re cheap and effective - nothing fancy. Does well over 100g of coffee (4oz) per shot if you want. Cheap and effective, but a bit of a pain to clean .. always found it a tad noisy and never liked the timer knob (it runs slow and the numbers never made sense to me - I think it’s supposed to be “cups”) .. but it’s good for coarse grinds if you’re doing French press or medium to dark pour overs. Never used it much for fine grinds but will do Turkish level fine. Just recently I upgraded my workflow to an Ode2 and a nice scale which is fun to use and evolve into (used to just eyeball everything) .. auto shutoff is nice and the ability to swap out the flat burrs seems like a nice future option .. will see how this fares over time. I’m really enjoying fine tuning the overall setup and playing with extraction techniques to start dialing in the beans better.

FWIW I have a Commandante and the Ode Gen 2 with the stock burrs -- quality out of the Commandante is much better but the Ode still produces a great cup. They're similar price points so personally if I had to pick one id go with the manual Commandante.

078 user here and I really like it. It will probably be my end game filter grinder. Great build quality and good cup profile. Worth the price? Yes but once the luster of a new grinder wears off I’d say I’d be just as happy with the ode gen 2 (especially since it’s on sale for prime day)

adjusting between espresso and pour over is a big headache. Once you dialed in your esprresso grinde seeting, you don't want to change it everyday. my current combo is Ode 2 + DF64.

Hand grinder user for last couple years as I wanted to step it up value wise. Kinu m47 classic probably the best “feel” and ease of grind of all the grinders I’ve used. So that’s helped, but the additional workflow time when I’m at home gets tiring day after day. I now have my kinu for travel (travel half the year for work) and recently acquired an ode 2 for at home pour over and it’s just fantastic to cut down on that workflow time. and it’s a great grinder for drip

I started with a cheap-ass electric grinder with pseudo-flat burrs (Delonghi KG89). Unfortunately, it was robust enough to last me 4-5 years. Then I bought a Timemore C2, which served me well for another good 5 years. Eventually, I got tired of hand grinding. I decided to step it up and bought a Fellow Ode 2 — beautiful design, fits nicely on my counter, easy to dial in, and coffee tastes great. Why haven't I switched to a decent electric sooner, I asked myself each morning. 6 months passed. I realized I missed *feeling* the grind in my hands. So, I came full circle and picked up a 1Zpresso ZP6. What I’m trying to say is that only you can decide what’s best for you. And not a today you, but a future you. (That said, today me would probably start all over with a decent handheld.)

Got a ZP6 and Ode Gen 2 around the same time and had them around 6 months now. I like the Ode Gen 2 way more mainly for the convenience. I also like the look of it in my kitchen. The ZP6 feels nice and I do like being more "involved" in the process, but after awhile, you just want the beans grinded so I can multitask and do other things while I wait for the water to heat up. The only reason I still have the ZP6 is because I keep it for use in my office. Taste-wise, they're both pretty similar to me.

Fellow Ode Gen 2. It will be a big upgrade from the Niche Zero for filter coffee.

I'm lucky to have purchased a Fellow Ode 2 ($345 MSRP) for $75, which I use with my AeroPress. Very happy with how it performs!

What is the Cleanest reasonably priced electric grinder for filter coffee? I'm blind and currently use a hand grinder over the sink. I'd like to move to an electric grinder and am looking for something that I can use with out getting grounds on the counter since I won't be easily able to find every last one and my wife does not want to have to clean them up. I've been looking at the Fellow Ode Gen 2 but don't know if it meets all my requirements. If it does not I'd like something in a similar price range if such a thing exists.

In case someone else comes across this question in the future I got an Ode Gen 2 when it was on sale. 1.5 months later and I'm generally happy with my purchase. As long as I have a reminder to clean the exit shoot every 10 days or so there's minimal mess on the counter. I'll wipe the counter down with a paper towel every couple of days to be safe. My wife has had no complaints about grinds. The only thing I don't like about the Ode is the catch cup. It's difficult to poor into a narrow container such as an Arrow Press. I got a canning funnel that fits on the Arrow Press and dump the entire catch cup into it then push any grounds that don't slide in to the Arrow Press instead of fighting with pouring directly from the catch cup.

I’ve had a number of grinders for filter coffee. You will notice a beneficial difference with the Fellow Ode gen 2 flat burr grinder. Quiet and precise, repeatable results. This grinder is designed specifically for almost every preparation except espresso. Highly recommend. Helpful: This related [Lance Hedrick video.](https://youtu.be/R_Yls6-5vkQ?si=Cfx5wXZe8Aj9CSQ2)

I have had the ode 2 for about 8 months now and I have no issue recommending it to anyone. Grinds my 15g doses quite fast and retention is quite low to nonexistent. Maybe I would put SSp burrs in it later but I'm happy with the stock burrs and the way it works. Is the timemore 078 better as a grinder ? Probably but honestly the difference isn't that big. Get the ode and spend money on good coffees instead !

Gen 2. The Encore and Opus seem to be better suited for espresso. I wouldn’t want them for filter coffee.

Ode 2 will be the best value per dollar, the others might be better but not proportionally so. I have the 078 which I got 30% off on the kickstarter, and it is phenomenal.

The K6 into the Ode Gen2 is exactly the path I took. Both are amazing but the convenience of electric is why I only ever use the Ode now. Once you get some beans through it, it is great and is very consistent for me. The Ode is also relatively small compared to a lot of the grinders out there.

I would even go as far as to recommend them getting the Fellow Ode gen 2 with stock burrs (most reasonably priced option) to compliment the Opus and then decide later on if they feel the need to upgrade the burr set. The Gen 2 stock burrs are VERY good and do exactly what OP is after, they might be a bit more flavour complex than he is expecting but SSPs are even more finicky for beginners to dial in. Optising burr-sets isn't something people getting into it really need to worry about yet. I know Fellow increased their product prices recently so I'm not sure if Fellow is still the best bang for buck, but that's the advice I would've given 2 weeks ago haha.

I don't grind for those, but I would definitely say yes to aeropress/maybe to the mokka. It defintely cannot do espresso if you would like it to have that sort of range then you probably should think about a DF-64 or df-54, but if you're looking for a filter specialist grinder then the Ode gen 2 is your choice

I’ve been using the Fellow Ode 2 for a year or two now and the pour-over from it is phenomenal. It really brings out the notes in every bag of coffee. It doesn’t grind fine enough for espresso but not an issue for me since my espresso machine has one built in.

ZP6 isn’t for everyone.. K Ultra, or Kingrinder 6 (for a cheaper but almost as good option) is probably better for OP’s intended usage That said I would recommend electric for the large batch grinding - Fellow Ode 2 on Black Friday sale or DF54 will be hard to beat

Baratza Virtuoso Plus would be in that range and is good. For some more the Fellow Ode or Ode 2 is good but it's above $250 new. Fellow also has the Opus at like $200 which I've read is good but I'm not certain how good. From my experience the Baratza grinders kind of dominate that price point but there definitely could be others to consider.

I just went from a baratza virtuoso to the ode 2 and I love it. Idk how much better it can really get but I'm sure you'll be paying for it lol. I don't have any other experience with many grinders but I am certain you can find a high quality electric grinder that you'll like the coffee from.

Haven't had it too long but so far it's been very clean in that regard. The receptacle is plenty wide to catch the grounds and doesn't make a ton of fines. The ones that are made don't really go anywhere they're not supposed to. Definitely retains some but that's all grinders it's nothing agregous.

I had the ubiquitous Cuisinart, it was ok for dark roasts but anything other than that you could easily taste the fines and inconsistency. I got a hand grinder and while it tasted much better for pour overs, I hated having to do a mild exercise every morning just to get coffee. Enter the Ode 2. I know the price is much higher than the hand grinder you are looking at but: 1. The grind quality is fantastic 2. It’s fast, a pourover amount is 10 seconds? A pot of coffee is 30 seconds, maybe less? 3. It’s quiet, my wife used to hate that she’d get woken up by the cuisinart. She can’t hear the Ode in the bedroom. 4. It’s easy. I can weigh and grind in less than a minute. Heating the kettle takes longer and it happens in parallel, or filling the coffee maker’s reservoir in parallel. There is no way I’d want to hand grind the required beans for a pot. If you are ok with it then I’m sure you’ll be happy, the quality of the grind/brew is great.

Funnily enough, the Ode 2 was the best coffee purchase I’ve made. I *hate* hand grinding, and compared to my old cuisinart it’s amazing!

That was definitely a factor in me getting the Ode 2 over KM5.

Man I hate manual grinders. Not looking for a workout at 6am. Getting the Ode 2 was fantastic.

I got my Ode Gen 2 on eBay. It was brand new and cost just over half the full price so I’d recommend having a look on there for a deal. I had a Niche Zero and sold that to get the Ode - it’s much better for pour over although it has taken a little bit of time to settle and season

I was in this exact same situation. Only drank filter and the NZ felt like overkill. And actually not always that great at it. So I sold it and bought the Fellow Ode Gen 2 which is much more suited to anything filter based

How fresh is your ode gen 2??? Did you season the burrs????

For ode I would say it needs a good 4lbs or 2kgs of coffee through it before it would be seasoned enough. You're probably going to see a fair bit of drift in your grind size until that point. When the burrs are fresh out of the factory they're actually too sharp and can break or fracture the beans on impact rather than tearing them with shear force. This will cause a disproportionate amount of fine particles moving your relative grind distribution peak lower. This can cause a loss of clarity and sweetness in the cup

And by effect increases astringency through the over extracted fine particles.

This is what I did and I am happy with it - Ode Gen 2 and DF54. I am a 75% pour over household but wanted the option for espresso. I thought getting a manual grinder just for espresso would be the best idea but quickly learned it was a huge mistake. I also like not having to do a huge adjustment range by having two dedicated grinders.

I’ve personally heard terrible things, and when I saw it in person at SCA expo last year it seemed very poorly built. I have an Ode 2 and it works very very well, but that might be too much of an upgrade for your liking.

What grind level do you use for the Moccamaster? We have a 20 year old 1.25 l model. Temp and time are still in spec. Just replaced the basket. Encore burr holder broke, so just bought an Ode V2 to try while fully rebuilding the Encore (6 years, it's a beast). So, what grind level? Started at 8, now up to 10.33 and it takes like 6:30 - 7:00 for the water to stop flowing and start dripping. I can go to 11, but that seems extreme. Though, if the V2 is highly engineered and there is no need to grind above 11, then I get it.

I have an Ode 2 and I'm very happy with it

I had a Baratza encore and now an Ode Gen2. I get great results with both. I just finished a bag of Maracaturra from Torque roasters and it was spectacular. I'll be thinking about this one for a while. I'm also not chasing extreme clarity or funk, so there's that.

I upgraded to Ode gen 2 and I hated it. It was so messy and clogged really fast. The cups were good I just hated the workflow. I had 2 separate units so I don't think it was just a bad unit. I ended up going for the Femobook A4Z based on someone's recommendation here and haven't looked back. I absolutely love it. I'm sure the 078 is great it's just such a beast. I wanted something with a smaller footprint.

Just got a Ode Gen 2 and loving it so far

I upgraded from an Encore to n Ode 2 and I would never go back. It’s great!

What reviews are you seeing? Do you have questions? I love mine and it’s leagues ahead of the old one.

The Timemore 078 is an incredible grinder, if it's in your budget I highly recommend it. Don't get the 078s, that is mostly for espresso. The turbo burrs are a very rounded, juicy cup that has less pronounced acidity. If you want more of a acidity forward cup, I recommend getting the SSP MP burs. They can also do really great modern espresso and pour over, I think they're similar to the SSP lab sweet 64s The Ode Gen 2 is great, but I don't think it's going to last me forever. The stock burrs are a good middle ground with decent clarity, the SSP MPS are super clear and definitely my favorite over the stock burrs. If you can afford the 078 or 078 SSP, I think you should go for that

A big NO for a  Gen 2 by fellow. I've had three units they've all been well let's say  💩 I'm considering a different new one.

Ode gen 2 for pour over. 1zpresso jmax for espresso. But also buy once cry once. Save up to get a decent grinder it makes a huge difference.

Get an ode on sale and then buy an espresso focused hand grinder.

On my bar currently is a Fellow Ode, Baratza Vario, and a Timemore 064s. Had SSP cast in the 064 but probably swapping them to the Ode now. All that to say, I could have just one of any of these and be perfectly happy. Timemore is probably my favorite as far as quality and workflow, plus it can genuinely pull double duty. Ode is great but obviously you’re not getting espresso there. Vario is an old design with clunky workflow but the burrs are great—in fact, the Mahlkonig X54 is essentially just an updated Vario. All these are great grinders.

And because you mention that you’re looking for a better grinder to help you explore more coffees, I think that’s *exactly* what the Ode is geared toward. The downside is that it is considerably more expensive than the hand grinders (at least, in USD).

First - encore and virtuoso have the same motor (I’m 90% sure) so noise won’t be better. What do you mean by “fussy”? the ode is quieter and faster - I think the speed is really the thing that you’ll appreciate. I hear (ha) the Eureka Silenzio is very quiet. Lots of good grinders out there, take a look at r/pourover if you want more ideas

In my experience the encore needs way more cleaning than the ode lol. Not sure what you mean by “suitable for an office”, though. They’re both good grinders. Don’t stress yourself financially - the ode is nice and I really like the coffee it produced but it is not literally twice as good as the encore.

So I have that (skerton pro)and a ODE and I actually like the hario more… for $300 less lol as it turns out conical and flat burr really do taste different. It just takes forever if I’m making 2L of cold brew

The fellow ode grinder (flat burr)

I’ve owned the Baratza Encore, Fellow Ode and now the 078. They clearly to me are bottom, mid and top in that order. The 078 is wildly good. 

The Ode is hot garbage, get the Sculptor kids.

Df64 gen 2 or ode 1/2 with the right burrs can be a very capable choice…same can be said for an 064 or any other decent 64 platform. For hand grinders it has to be zp6 or pietro I would imagine. Pietro would be out of the budget range but either could be found used also.

Fellow ode is a solid option

The main goal for grinders is uniformity in grind size. The cheap ones don't deliver this. They have very large and very small and everything in between. This results in a less than perfect cup. I've spent thousands on grinders starting with ultra cheap to one grinder that cost 3k. My advice would be to get a decent grinder before anything else. Right now I have a Fellow Ode for filter / pour over and a Kafetek Monolith for espresso.

Used fellow ode from marketplace

No it’s very solid. It’s also flat burrs and the encore and opus are conical.

You can feed the Ode with beans for more than one dose. I like it. It's much better than the Baratza. There are mods to make a hopper. you can also put whatever you want for the catch cup.

I am one of those people who went down the rabbit hole and got a Lagom P64 + unimodal v1 burrs. I will first say that it is amazing — the build, team support, everything. Could I get something close to that much cheaper? Probably. My brother has the DF64 with unimodal burrs and, while the polish is not there, it can probably do close to what my Lagom does. As long as you pick a grinder that 1) is generally reliable, 2) has okay customer support, and 3) lets you swap out burrs, that is pretty great! I've had many cafe filter brews from the Ode that impressed me. Your main limitation will probably be grind adjustment — depending on how "unimodally" your burrs are, 5-10 microns makes a huuuge difference because the sweet spot window is much narrower. Soooo Ode is great, but at that price point you should also consider DF64!

I wouldn’t recommend a ZP6 like some here for Costco coffee. You don’t want a high clarity grinder for mediocre coffee. And I don’t think a K-Ultra is worth it because you can get 95% there with a Kingrinder K6 for $99. So the k6 would be my choice. If it has to be electric I’d probably get a used fellow ode or new DF54

If she is ok with two devices that will just work honestly not sure you can beat ode and mocca master. Xbloom is neat (I want one!) but durability is tbd. The above have been reliable for years and will make a killer cup.

i think a big bunch of people in this sub are just looking for a good deal. i'm the same as you, my shoulder is not so great, i have a Fellow Ode and i've never looked back. i hate manual grinding. just do you.

Just adding my experience for anyone Googling this. My Fellow Ode worked great for about 1.5 years, and then the motor crapped out I was surprised there was no way to get it repaired, and Fellow's CS was really difficult to work with. Combined with my Stagg kettle heating element dying after 2 years, I just can't recommend Fellow for anything right now.

The slightly larger hopper on the Ode is kind of an underrated quality of life feature. Its the perfect size for doing a 60g batch brew, the catch cup is also appropriately sized to catch all of it. I have the 078S as my espresso grinder and it is def a single serve focused design. You'll be grinding 15g 4 times because you also want to cover the hopper while grinding or else the popcorning can be annoying. Also the catch cup I don't think would hold 60g so you'll be using a different one or also be doing that part in sections. Taste is king but these little things matter too!

These. Or check out the Fellow Opus and Fellow Ode Also OP, most modern hand grinder these days, you can already grind for less than 30secs and you already have a dose of 15-20g. So it has become less tiring. And its portable too. With your budget you can get one on an endgame model that will last you years and has better grinding than those brands mentioned above

One thing that’s not as discussed about the 078 is it’s build quality, esp. compared to the Fellow Ode. It’s miles better and feels far more sturdy. Only issue really is the popcorning in the hopper but that’s not too bad if you take some extra care during feeding

+1 for ode Other notable options imo: Mhw3Bomber f74 Commandante c40 mk4 Wilfa uniform Barratza encore esp Varia VS3 Kinggrinder k6 (Rented all of those for a while before ending with an ode)

I found a very noticeable improvement in my brews ever time I upgraded grinders. I went from pre-ground, to a Kingrinder P2, then to a Fellow Ode. I personally have been loving my Fellow Ode, and I use it every morning with my Chemex. The P2 is also pretty great for the price, but I got sick of hand grinding, especially when I use 30-40g a morning.

Get the best grinder you can afford. There's no substitute for freshness in coffee grounds, no matter what the bag says! I have an Etzinger etz-i, but if you're unwilling to spend £200 on a hand grinder, there are plenty of other choices! James Hoffmann did a review on the [KinGrinder P1](https://youtu.be/EPbVUR6Y83k?si=LdQ82LSeqs3EpFdm), which only costs £30ish. It's reviewed well, it might be a good starting point if you're on a budget. Stepping up, you could look at other offerings from KinGrinder, Timemore or 1Zpresso, they're the big names for budget grinders. Check the reviews, but it's my understanding that you can't go too badly wrong with their offerings. If you want to go electric, look at a Sage, Baratza Encore or Sette, Fellow Ode or Opus, or Wilfa Svart for good starting points, they can all be had second hand for not a lot, but I do see the odd Fellows going for £150 or so new. There are bargains to be had here and there! I kind of gloss over electric grinders not because they're no good, but because the money you spend is put to better use if the manufacturer doesn't need to pay for electric motors. Grinding as coarsely as a moka pot needs isn't too onerous, and the money just goes into making a decent grinder. Electric grinders start at well over £100 for anything worth looking at, so unless you're grinding for 4 espressos every morning, you'll get much more bang for your buck grinding by hand. I do make 4 espressos every morning though, for which I have a DF54. Worth a look for an espresso-capable grinder you can grow into, and you want a nice kitchen gadget. (Who doesn't?) Another wise investment is a jeweller's scale, or drug scale, depending on your upbringing. It doesn't need to be anything expensive or fancy, as long as it measures to 0.1g. Use it to measure out your beans before grinding them, and weigh the water into the base, so if you find a recipe you like, you can repeat it. A standard kitchen scale is no good for the coffee world if it only measures to the nearest gram. If you're weighing out 500g of flour, you'll end up between 499.5g and 500.5g. Pretty negligible in a loaf of bread. When you're working with 20g of coffee, you'll taste the difference between a 19.5g and 20.5g cup. Amazon is the place to look, they're a tenner well spent. Finally, when you make the leap, hand or electric, get yourself a burr grinder. If it costs three eighths of bugger all and has a little spinning blade at the bottom, don't waste your money on it. Blade grinders are near-universally regarded as crap by the coffee world because the "grounds" they produce are so horrendously inconsistent. You want a nice uniform(-ish) particle size, which blade grinders just aren't capable of by their design. You'll have coffee particles ranging in size from half a bean to icing sugar in the same batch. Unusable for making anything you'd want to drink. Also, avoid grinders with ceramic burrs like the Hario Skerton. They aren't as awful as blade grinders, but they don't produce good grounds either. Ceramic burrs are the very cheapest you can get, which shows how much thought and effort went into the rest of the grinder, and the quality of coffee it'll produce. You get what you pay for.

We have the Fellow Ode grinder and it is such a MESS as well!! It looks nice when it’s clean but grounds get everywhere and it annoys me a little bit every morning

Second the Timemore C2. You can probably find it on sale around now. The standard model can carry up to about 28g of beans, which is more than enough for Aeropress. I think I picked mine up for about $60. A few other options to look for: Fellow Opus or Fellow Ode Gen 2. I started my journey on a French press, with a blade grinder. Then it was an Aeropress Go and the Timemore C2. Now I focus mainly on pourover (v60 01, Switch) and have an Ode 2. If you think you may be interested in expanding your coffee setup at some point, the Opus or Ode would be perfectly good options. Another point to consider is that a hand grinder is portable. I love being able to take my setup with me (Aeropress, grinder, coffee) for vacations or to friend’s houses. As far as coffee beans go, look for a local roaster at your farmer’s market or maybe on Facebook. They’ll have plenty of options for you to consider. I started Aeropress on medium-dark roasts, and am now entering the world of light roasts. Take it all one step at a time. I know the entry into the coffee world can be a little overwhelming. Don’t focus on too many variables. Try two or three recipes and see what yields the most consistently enjoyable results for you.