Ode Brew Grinder Gen 2

Depends what you want in the cup. Many people do like the Virtuoso for medium to dark, but I think the high concentration of fines increases bitterness, so if that's not your bag, it's worth the upgrade. I've had good results with the Ode 2/stock burrs, which do bring forward quite a bit of sweetness without sacrificing too much body, and are certainly more consistent in my experience than the Virtuoso. Caveat: I drink mostly light, but do appreciate a medium-dark roast every now and then; only *very* rarely do I drink a true dark roast, and mostly for palate development/calibration, not enjoyment.

The other recs you've gotten are good, but I want to clarify that the Fellow Ode 2 is not overkill. It's a pourover-focused grinder that doesn't do espresso and is one of the best electric options for single dose pourover at its price point. A hand grinder for the same $$ will generally produce better results, but if you think he might not want to grind by hand, Ode 2 is a solid choice. Not sure what your time frame is but it goes on sale with some regularity, and Prime Day is upon us.

It's a tough question but worth noting that not everyone thinks the ZP6 is an upgrade – it depends what you like in your coffee. You might end up liking the ZP6 more than the K-Ultra, or vice versa. For someone just starting out I think the K-Ultra is a much safer choice, as it produces coffee that's more in line with what most people expect coffee to taste like, it's very easy to dial in, and it does a good job with different roast levels. But you could get one, then get a ZP6 later, and decide you like it a lot more. No way to find out in matters of taste other than...to taste.

The Ode 2 and the K-Ultra are both safe choices - they produce well-balanced coffee and aren't especially difficult to dial in, and they're flattering to almost all coffees at all roast levels. I've owned and used both extensively and I think the K-Ultra gives somewhat better results, but the Ode 2 is close enough that if you'd rather have an electric grinder it's worth the trade-off.

I don't own a ZP6. By reputation, the K-Ultra has significantly higher body, less flavor clarity, has a wider sweet spot/is much easier to dial in, and is less specialized to roast level (that is, it will make good coffee on medium and darker roasts, which the ZP6 will not). I never bought a ZP6 because it has a reputation for making very light-bodied coffee, which I personally don't care for. When I wanted a higher clarity grinder I bought an A4Z, with the Pietro as the other grinder in the running. Those are both at a higher price point – around $500, although the A4Z may be more expensive in the USA now that the de minimus tariff exemption has expired.

Sounds like bad alignment. You shouldn't be having high fines production with those burrs. Even with the stock burrs I never had this problem with the Ode 2, and with the SSP burrs you should be getting way fewer than with stock.

While I love the A4Z and vastly prefer it to the Ode 2 for the coffee I drink, it's worth noting that the A4Z does not do well with darker roasts, including the darker end of medium. If that kind of coffee is in your rotation the Ode 2 is a much safer choice.

Definitely an 'everything's relative' situation. It's loud if you're coming from hand grinding, very quiet compared to an Ode 2 or a Timemore 078.

I managed to get an ode gen 2 on sale for about 230 from here if you are UK based - [https://healf.com/products/fellow-ode-brew-grinder-gen-2-matte-black?variant=44637378576623](https://healf.com/products/fellow-ode-brew-grinder-gen-2-matte-black?variant=44637378576623) There's some first order discounts and such to add on. I was flipflopping between the opus and the Ode 2, then I thought - I'm going to have this for 5+ years, and use it 2/3 times a day. It's worth spending the extra £60 or dollars on. The thing that flipped it was, I thought, if i bought the Opus, every time i used it, I'd wish it was the Ode. And, I don't have any regrets, the Ode is a great grinder, looks fantastic and was a big upgrade from the Sage I was using.

It appears to me that the [DF54 + brew burrs would cost $278](https://miicoffee.shop/products/miicoffee-df54-single-dose-coffee-grinder?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=18519892019&gbraid=0AAAAAD8Pi-9VSBAWuZeDltVklpRTdLCw_&gclid=CjwKCAiAuIDJBhBoEiwAxhgyFsG_4rrUqB3UmCfk4saK3vTK8GGOBRBaIiuwcw9GR2yRB-lEKb4SgRoCI1YQAvD_BwE) while the [Ode Gen 2 is $319.95 for Black Friday](http://amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BLRMCM9Y/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_plhdr=t&aaxitk=6d5c2cd129cfd9988c359614670f2505&hsa_cr_id=0&qid=1763741962&sr=1-2-9e67e56a-6f64-441f-a281-df67fc737124&ref_=sbx_s_sparkle_sbtcd_asin_1_title&pd_rd_w=0HAUh&content-id=amzn1.sym.9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d%3Aamzn1.sym.9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d&pf_rd_p=9f2b2b9e-47e9-4764-a4dc-2be2f6fca36d&pf_rd_r=WD1NQZM0YGHBX0CYDQPD&pd_rd_wg=WeuMP&pd_rd_r=8040fe77-db06-4811-8ef2-e39986f26ab0), assuming you are in the US. That's still a $40 difference. What are you looking for in your brews, and what coffees do you prefer?

Well, the DF54 + brew burrs would have that high clarity profile you want. The Ode Gen 2 provides a more blended flavor profile that is quite forgiving, while still offering good clarity.

Given your need for grinding larger doses, I would go with an Ode Gen 2 for pourover.

Eh? The Ode 2 costs almost double what a K-Ultra costs.

That’s amazing! 225 GBP is a great price for an Ode 2! Seems to be an uncommonly low price, as a matter of fact—roughly 25% cheaper than what it costs in the US. 275 GBP for a K-Ultra, OTOH is a lot—more than 50% pricier than what it costs in the US.

Ode Gen 2, DF54 w/brew burrs, or Eureka Filtro/Crono are your choices. A4Z if you can get it. Don’t know if Femobook ships to France, but here is a link to their online store: https://femobook.myshopify.com/

The Ode Gen 2 is more than up to the task. But IMHO, you don’t even need to spend that much because you drink dark roast. The Baratza Encore will easily meet your needs. If you are in the US, the [Shardor 64](https://www.amazon.com/SHARDOR-Professional-Adjustable-Electronic-Anti-Static/dp/B0DRF9PB58/ref=sr_1_1?crid=35TPCTU6R65G2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.VZ4jgbRdCyTAFIJn42ouC2ZhxRSyEIyoOwOyPn0nIrg0aegalqOaVZuMrcd-ebOcJCWYkNZRWcn-8tN_weRpijplbwSSmiHc2FWqc9jPtLek0b0Jg3eXHm1qeY0vdZ2j_Ti056CaCubz64tFIPAvZxIqbmDV81y0xa2-jH2Lq6OfGlpbdxEuTOFNyHJVspP0jMZ76Pxc92pGMcAHd_VJeifcHi7nb-9DDeZcFHx1COgz4hYUkxuKOwP1Vsu72TTY_PJ4FBuDDPreFdLGpmbC74qaqek9onA39Z56wJlcVL8.7QPBDJdXHFukiCMhT2qFF1s9-kO4rdVU0EjrLfHQxyM&dib_tag=se&keywords=shardor+64mm+flat+burr+grinder&qid=1774101455&sprefix=Shardor%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-1) or [MOKKOM 64](https://www.amazon.com/MOKKOM-Professional-Adjustable-Electronic-Anti-Static/dp/B0F1YMTR1R/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=33N6WBXTLCBF2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.33mMxN3B9NteMcbTahPMa1tAX7lwdJUwd8Jvd7p3aehXBawjhpPXLlOeu6f6sVn90qvKouA8nHaoGTnhZKyC6MiA76yS1pGEift-62fld-yjneDiVXiSsKDuOUD5EfCY71jaEyv6axCxbptiaeOP99Sw3FWphdLfjJSoN5LRS2tnY42MwZ8ukyRC0HDJOgaNTWKA7PKlz0RX1rIbjTfl9g5bCxIlDrLiY7BxVrHcsX1Or01J_6Ks_PGSSSmRXRF1Hr_Qj7XDyleRr-CgoGdRiA.ePcdVAl7wgpyHMivJ79Pb7C6aNf4MK3RgKqkzPSQG3s&dib_tag=se&keywords=Mokkom+64mm+flat+burr+grinder&qid=1774101525&sprefix=mokkom+64mm+flat+burr+grinder%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1) are absolutely killer at their price points.

The DF64 V2 is perfectly fine for your use case, especially if you get it with the DLC burrs. The people who don’t prefer the DF64 V2 for filter coffee are mostly people who make manual pourover brewing light or ultralight roasts. Those people are looking for a lot of clarity and flavor separation in their cups, so they can taste the fruity notes that many of them chase. You drink dark roast coffee, where honestly, you don’t necessarily want to chase that kind of clarity and flavor separation.

The DF64 v2 should have no issue grinding 40-60g batches. Especially at filter grind sizes. I would not worry one bit about overheating or jamming. Taste Is subjective. People can taste the difference between the Ode Gen 2 and the DF64 v2 stock burrs, but again—those comparisons are invariably made by people brewing and drinking light/ultralight roasts. You drink dark roasts. If anything, I think the DF64 v2 w/ red titanium burrs will be better suited for dark roasts than the Ode Gen 2.

I have the Ode 2 and I might lose .1 of a gram at the most. It’s not a big deal.

I have the Pietro with the brew burrs. I also have the Ode 2 with stock burrs. I like having both options for pour overs. I drink mostly light and ultra light roasts and enjoy various processes. I find that when the Pietro’s clarity isn’t getting the most out of a specific bean, the ode 2 is different enough to get a sweeter cup.

As someone who graduated from an Encore to the Fellow Ode 2 I suggest saving until you can afford the Ode 2. While the Encore is a very solid grinder, the fines produced can be tricky to deal with in a pour over. I cannot imagine the Oxo will be on par with the Encore in terms of fines and grind uniformity. So if you’re talking $300 already, spend $400 on the Ode 2 which makes significantly better cups than the Encore. The Ode 2 has much higher clarity than the Encore. But I should also specify that I enjoy more clarity and brightness, I drink light to very light roast coffee. If you are into medium to dark roasts and like a thicker, chocolate like cup then the Encore will work a treat.

I just went down the rabbit hole for pourover grinders. After reading and watching too many reviews and threads, I ended up with the ubiquitous Ode 2 with the 2nd gen burrs. Coming from a Baratza Encore, the difference was huge. My wife, not nearly into coffee as much, remarked on the significant difference in the coffee. For me, a/the major tipping point was my goal to emulate a shop that made the best pourover I've ever had\* - they use the Ode 2 in their commercial environment for their pourovers. If it's good enough for them, and produces the exceptional coffee they make, it's more than enough for me. I think you'll always find critics for every grinder, but the reviews on the Ode 2 are generally very positive, the price point is good, and there seem to be very few issues with the grinder. Consensus seems to be no need for the SSP burrs unless you want an espresso grind. As a drip guy, not an issue for me. (Just don't use the catch cup lid. It's truly stupid and does absolutely nothing. Using the catch cup without the lid, I don't get *any* mess.) \--- \*The shop is [Out of Order](https://www.outoforder.coffee/) coffee in Saskatoon, Canada. Coferment trigger warning: >!The beans were [Traffic's Sublime](https://www.trafficcoffee.com/products/sublime?_pos=1&_sid=ec94ee09c&_ss=r&variant=42371472457794), from MTL, Canada.!<

It is the best grinder I've ever personally used. It blows away my comandante, wilfa uniform and fellow ode (stock burrs)

I've been using the Gen 2 Ode since 2023. I previously used hand grinders (a Zassenhaus from 2007 to 2018, then a Lido ET from 2018 to 2023). While I love the routine of hand grinding, I really love that the process is overall less fiddly. The Ode 2 doesn't need a ton of adjustment. It is fairly easy to clean once a week. And the results have exceeded my expectations. As others have mentioned, with a little RDT it isn't too messy. I brew every day, grinding at least 30 grams of coffee and sometimes 60 to 75 grams. I typically go through a bag of coffee every 10 to 14 days, though sometimes have two or three in rotation at once. Most beans I grind are light to light-medium, though occasionally I have a very light roast. It doesn't struggle with any of those. The only major grind frustration is with a certain Nicaragua Pacamara with gigantic beans that are too big for the auger and don't always feed well.