Fiorenzato - AllGround Sense

This is the one I just bought. In case you are in the US, there's a Canadian company selling it for 950 shipped. Mine arrives tomorrow. (The kitchen barista store)

It arrived in perfect condition. I plan on using it this weekend. Haven't had a chance with the work week yet but definitely legit with shipping and the price was $350-$400 lower.

TL;DR: I have only one grinder that I use acros the range. My Fiorenzato AllGround Sense does a great, consistent grid from pour over to espresso. If I did a lot of French press, I might still need a mortar & pestle. I have a Fiorenzato AllGround Sense which, I believe, is just over the 1K$ US threshold. I've had two Baratza's (ESP and Sette 270wi) that did espresso to my liking at the very edge of their range but the motors both died. I then got a flat burr grinder that ground well with more range for espresso but was still in the price range of the Baratzas (400US or so) I won't name the grinder as I neither wish to defend or debate it but the motor also died. I did some research and bought the AllGround Sense for it's beefy motors and because I now had the taste for flat burrs. I've never used the finer third of the dial as for my beans and tastes, it's fine ... enough. I grind some decaf drip for my wife, do some pour overs for friends and have developed a sense of where the dial needs to be. I suspect that the first time I do a dark French press it may not have a fine enough setting bit that day may never come.

Boy, the Fiorenzato AllGround Sense is a beauty (with a price to match--makes the Niche Zero seem cheap by comparison, lol). The/a only question in my mind is, just as when I went from manual to power windows in my second car: is there now more to break down and have to repair in costly fashion (the answer with my VW: yes). There indeed may be a certain reliability with a tried-and-true, non-electronic grinder (albeit, my lust still remains).

Yep, I've seen the retention factor mentioned with the grinder, :( Some people have noted using the AGS in a (somewhat) single-dose fashion with a single-dose hopper + bellows to deal with that (essentially mimicking Fiorenzato's non-GBW, similar grinder), but then there's a bit of (conflict) with the machine's GBW facility/benefit. A thought I had would be, use the AGS, with single-dose hopper + bellows, in single-dose fashion, but load the single-dose hopper with multiple doses (e.g. 3+) at a time--that would still allow taking advantage of the grinder's GBW function and perhaps/hopefully still allow enough air through to support the benefits of bellows-ing, and with the further benefit of limiting, compared to the regular beans hopper, the amount of beans getting less fresh through air-exposure.

I have the AGS and it is just an amazing little machine. However, I do not think it is best out there if you drink medium to dark roasts. I much prefer my shitty conical grinder for milk based drinks. Switching from Sette to flat will be interesting if you are particular about your caps and latte imo :).

In my case it was day and night. Not that I have sophisticated taste buds though haha.

I have the same workflow and used all the grinders here except for the Eureka. For the Fiorenzato, it was a decent grinder that made great espresso, but nothing mind-blowing. The pros: small footprint, aesthetically pleasing, good espresso (better than most cafes), easy to dial in (usually), small hopper, decent interface, easy to clean, not too loud, and it's on the more affordable end. The cons: No upgradability (though they use the same style of 64mm burrs as most other burrs like the SSP EP, MP and CV3 for espresso that are much better than the stock are too thick for the grinder so much so they touch before even the coarsest setting, and there's no way to calibrate it), not the best range for dialing in, retention, occasional stalling, grind speed. The mahlkonig E65 it's the grinder I ended up with, it made exceptional espresso for my taste (with the SSP HU burrs), and it basically is better in every way possible without most of the downsides. Pros: fast grind speed, upgradability (though options are still limited compared to other burr sizes), aesthetically pleasing (for me), great interface (especially the grind adjustment, the burr gap in microns is far more useful than you'd ever think), its pretty quiet for what it is, nice fluffy ground (no need to wdt just tap it on your counter top distribute a bit and tamp), no stalling ever, and you get the ledgendary mahlkonig name. Cons: it's expensive, the hopper is way too big for the home (you probably have to buy the smaller hopper), though aesthetically pleasing (for me) it's still way too big and imposing, not the easiest to clean, and once again it's so expensive and overkill for a home set-up. Recommendations and conclusion: Between the two, if you can afford it, the E65 is just way better and future-proof, but honestly, it's a bit too much for the home. As for recommendations, other grinders i would recommend that fit into you requirements and are cheaper than the E65 are the new Mahlkonig E64 ws its basically the e65 but smaller, same aesthetics, smaller hopper, gbw, but its also quieter and its 64mm meaning you have a large choice for future upgrades SSP the HU, MP, CV, or other brands like le brew etc. another good alternative thats a similair price to the fiorenzato is the WPM ZD-19 and the ZD-19sg, their both grind by weight with a accuracy of +-0.1 but I found them usually spot on, the zd19 is 74mm so you can use any burrs compatable with a mythos one, and teh ZD-19sg is 64mm so you get teh option for a range of upgrades the interface is not as good at the mahlkonig but better than the fiorenzato, built quality wise its sturdy since its meant for commercial use, its decently quiet similair to the fiorenzato. Basically, out of the options you said, without a doubt the E65, but if you're open to more options, I would go for the E64 ws since you get all the benefits and the aesthetics of teh E65 for cheaper and smaller, without any drawback but with more upgrability, if it's available in your country. But if you're more budget-conscious than the WPM is a solid option too. they all require some purging in themorning 4-6g work well for the allground, 6-8g for the E65. In the end, I ended up with the E65 with SSP HU burrs, which I'm satisfied so no regrets except that I could've saved a few bucks, and I also ended up with another single dose grinder the p64 so i switch out burrs and for rpm control for teh ocassional switch up for espresso and when I have more time. hope this helps

Not sure if you can get a Fiorenzato AllGround for that price, the GBW version is about $900 outside of the US new. I don't do it often but switching from espresso to filter you just keep going on the adjustment ring. You have to purge some beans in the transition but it's like a second or two of grounds.

Fiorenzato AllGround Sense, cost about $900 in my currency. All my research indicated that the grinder makes more difference than the coffee. I chose this one primarily because my partner likes the aesthetic, the wind range of grind and the GBW feature.

This will most definitely not work. It’s not a commercial grinder, let alone a decent home grinder. Aside from shot quality, the motor will probably quit on you within the first month. What’s your budget for a grinder? I’d go for at least a Fiorenzato AllGround Sense, although that’s more of a home grinder than a commercial one as well. (Or Niche Zero, but in a Café environment, grind by weight is probably a little easier to use depending on how many customers you have coming in)

Game changer was going from a Specialita (outstanding) to the All Ground Sense, GBW. Got on special for ESC, but has changed the game. The ease of switching from espresso to pour over plus the GBW has been outstanding. Would never go back, and didn’t really think it would make a difference

Might not answer your question, but I recently picked up a second hand Fiorenzato Allground (€300) and really like it. Can be made into single doser. Stepped dial but I actually like that. Great for esp, good for PO. May be worth looking for.

Mazzer Major V Electronic, Mazzer Philos, Fiorenzato All Ground Sense, Baratza Forte AP, Baratza Encore ESP Pro Bunn GVH-2 (and a few more)