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https://preview.redd.it/zluuo9jgilcg1.jpeg?width=2557&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=716bf8b4e32d89a5007ef48310a5322a096a5801 I sold the Key. Good grinder but rdt is mandatory otherwise static is an absolute nightmare . Philos does not require RDT Philos does not require WDT It just gets an OMG, great grinder!!
https://youtu.be/9rF3cO-s54Y?si=xZwmFl_ukFroCqsY You made the right choice with mc6 But, i would have gone for the Philos .....
Generally id suggest a high quality hand grinder for pour over (as youre already doing) but youre tired of that and wanting to electrify...seems like an 078 or philos would be the middle of the road option (between ode2 and zerno)...but if you really want to spend the money on something cool, a z1 is pretty cool. I own one and love it but i ONLY use it for espresso. I would not own it otherwise, as cool as it is. Id say grab a 078 on sale ($640ish) and spend the rest on nice coffee.
What matters more than anything is burr set and burr alignment. Burr set will set taste profile. Alignment will define consistency. Everything else is diminishing returns. For most, Mazzer Philos and Zerno Z1 (and the upcoming Z2) will be pretty peak for premium home grinding. You can get similar for cheaper if you want to invest time to align the burrs manually. You can spend a ton more but won’t make your coffee much better.
Mazzer Philos. Bought it second hand with two sets of burrs for $1300 CAD.
That's right! That grinder is truly amazing.
I haven't tried the I200D burrs yet. I got the machine with the 189 burr set installed, and haven't changed them since. I'm driking medium roasts most of the time, and the 189 have been really good so far, but I'm tempted to switch to the 200 set over the weekend to give them a try.
I would second this comment. I have both burrs and they create a different taste. I primarily use the 200 since I am usually a medium/ light roast drinker.
philos - currently with 198d burrs. Faustino for alternative beans.
It is quite cool that the varia can fit conical and flat burrs. But I bought a Philos, because I wanted something eternal and the Philos seems so far like that product. Its surprisingly heavy and feels like a tank. It is big, but Im very happy with mine.
I love the Philos. My other Jolly lasted years—I'm talking like 10! I'm sure this thing will last another 10; it's built like a tank. A little big, but it doesn't take up as much space because it's big front to back versus side to side. Everything works great, even the metals they chose. I have like no coffee anywhere after several weeks of using it; it's crazy how good it is. Of course, this is my opinion, but I have owned five different grinders, and this is by far my favorite for a whole bunch of reasons, including cleaning.
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