I've not long bought a Sage Dual Boiler, paired with a DF64V and it's absolutely brilliant. For me the main selling point was the heat up time which is around 10 mins from cold to the group and portafilter fully heated. If you're in a rush then it's about 6 mins to get a warm group, hot water and steam. Had the grinder 2 years and the DB around a month, no regrets so far.
on the DF64**V**, which is a better, more precise / higher quality build of the DF64, the stock burrs are also not that great for pour-over. But I like the workflow, and the grinder can work well with other burs - such as Ode2 burrs (they are sold separately), the SSP MP - alike burrs from AliEx (very inexpensive) or others (SSP originals, Lebrew, etc.)
Ode Gen 2 is fine and a solid option (especially if you manage to get it for a good price), but the overall build is not that precise, and factory tolerances are more loose there
if you mean the Opus 2 (not the original Opus, gen 1), then the grinder is specifically built for light roast usage (as stated by its designer), as light roasts have more dense beans and are harder to grind, so the machine has strong enough gears (torque) to operate like that long-term
and from comments here on reddit, it performs very well for the filter / V60 as well, in terms of taste profile... from what its designer said, it was also among their design goals, that the Opus 2 would perform well for filter, so its large conical burrs are tuned to do V60 well, by design
so, my opinion is that the Opus 2 is a pretty safe bet
the DF64 will not do very well with the V60, unless you change the stock burrs, and make sure the burr alignment is set well... which can be rather time-consuming and effort-intensive task. I have the DF64V (a more premium version of the DF64, with better tolerances and out-of-factory alignment), and know its stock burrs first-hand - since I do filter only, had to replace them
on the DF64**V**, which is a better, more precise / higher quality build of the DF64, the stock burrs are also not that great for pour-over. But I like the workflow, and the grinder can work well with other burs - such as Ode2 burrs (they are sold separately), the SSP MP - alike burrs from AliEx (very inexpensive) or others (SSP originals, Lebrew, etc.)
Ode Gen 2 is fine and a solid option (especially if you manage to get it for a good price), but the overall build is not that precise, and factory tolerances are more loose there
if you mean the Opus 2 (not the original Opus, gen 1), then the grinder is specifically built for light roast usage (as stated by its designer), as light roasts have more dense beans and are harder to grind, so the machine has strong enough gears (torque) to operate like that long-term
and from comments here on reddit, it performs very well for the filter / V60 as well, in terms of taste profile... from what its designer said, it was also among their design goals, that the Opus 2 would perform well for filter, so its large conical burrs are tuned to do V60 well, by design
so, my opinion is that the Opus 2 is a pretty safe bet
the DF64 will not do very well with the V60, unless you change the stock burrs, and make sure the burr alignment is set well... which can be rather time-consuming and effort-intensive task. I have the DF64V (a more premium version of the DF64, with better tolerances and out-of-factory alignment), and know its stock burrs first-hand - since I do filter only, had to replace them
Just an idea but maybe consider the DF64V as well. If you’re thinking long term you might be into tweaking grind speed at some point. And it is still on sale at homebarista.be for 442€. Feels like a steal.
Edit: I forgot to say that I have that as well and super happy with it. You need to use the bellow to get every bit of coffee out that you put in but I like the burr settings and shot quality. Upgraded from C3Pro.
For hand grinders, go to rogue wave and get a zp6.
For automatic grinders in that price range, youre almost stuck with the Ode and I really hate the Ode for a multitude of reasons, one is the auger is so badly warped from factory that you need to machine it flat. The machine shaft spins out of round (has a ton of runout) so you'll get plenty of misalignment from burrs there as well. And then you're also stuck with the stupid high RPMs it has.
Imo the best cheapest 64mm electric burr grinder on the planet is the df64v. It's been A LONG time since I looked at them but they used to be around $400-450 USD, but being that you can buy directly from China, you may be able to get it for way cheaper than 600 CAD even after duties. Yes it's obviously more expensive than the Ode, but the quality is infinitely better than the Ode. It's kinda ugly and I don't love the upright/angled grinders, including my Monolith Max that's like $3200, but the DF64V has so much more bang for your buck than the Ode and you don't ever have to align the burrs in the df64v where you absolutely must align them every time on the ode and it's just a bad situation.
Outside of 64mm burrs, there are some nice 48-58mm burrs iirc, but I have zero experience with them and honestly never paid much attention to them.
Absolutely. Z2 looks better, is functionally better, smaller, machined better, not owned by dickheads and they actually appreciate user feedback and incorporate updates.
The angle creates more problems than it solves, which is my biggest hatred with the fucking flat max. Also it's less fun to use, shit always gets stuck in either the top hopper lip or the actual lower hopper or shards of popcorning sprayed everywhere in the lower hopper, and fines glommed up in the exit chute and along the burr edges. I just fail to see why anyone thinks it's so great for espresso anyway. There's less of these issues with filter coffee grinding. Vertical mounted burrs with horizontal feeds are so much more superior, it's just all those frustrations are not visible, they're down in the grind chamber. A few smacks of the top of the hopper tends to push most of it out. The baffles don't work worth a damn on the flat max
I got the launch edition of the z1 and it performs better than any kafatek grinder or the 078 IMO. I have every 64mm burr on the market and it makes those burrs perform so much better than in the shitty ass ode or df64.
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