I have a DF64p and bought a regular DF64 to keep with my other machine at my parent’s house. If I buy a 1k+ grinder and I think it makes that much of difference I will 100% buy another one. I’m thinking of upgrading my machine first tho.
I have a DF64p and bought a regular DF64 to keep with my other machine at my parent’s house. If I buy a 1k+ grinder and I think it makes that much of difference I will 100% buy another one. I’m thinking of upgrading my machine first tho.
I’ve been using [my DF64P](https://www.reddit.com/r/coffeestations/s/KBdnccp3qo) for the past 3 years and it has been great for me. This version has the grind size adjustment in the base so I can take it apart and clean it and it keeps the setting it was at. It is all metal and I’ve never thought of it as being “cheap”.
Below is my view
- Find the grinder for your type of beans and taste
- Then decide if you want hand grinder or electric
I had 4 grinders for espresso. I gave away 2 of them.
Today I would consider
- X ultra, J ultra
- K ultra
- DF54 esprews burr
- DF64 DLC burr
- SSP MP
- SSP HU
There might be other.
Good luck
I got DF64 because I like the flexibility of using it for filter too, and value for money. Also have a bambino plus. If you’re just starting out IMO go for value and flexibility and learn to discern what you like. Consider buying it used if you can - DF64/54 retains value well so if you don’t like it after experimentation you can sell for conical, or better yet have 2 grinders 😅
If you can increase your budget, you could get a Timemore 064s. If you are in the US, it is on sale on Amazon for 20% discount = $480. I don't know how long the sale will last - it seems alternate between sale and full price a couple of times per week.
064s uses similar burrs to DF64, but has better build quality and alignment. It's good for all roast levels and all brew methods.
If you need to stick to your budget, go for DF64.
I've only used mine for modern espresso from medium to light roasts. But my understanding is that both DF64 and 064s will do traditional espresso as well as any other grinder in the $400 price range. With either grinder you have the option of swapping the burrs to Mazzer 233M which are intended for trad espresso.
If you go upscale to a Niche Zero or MC6, those will be better for trad espresso.
I would take the Sette 30 off your list. It lacks the fine-grained adjustments needed to dial in espresso, unless you upgrade it to a Sette 270 by purchasing the micro-adjustment ring.
I would suggest the following:
1. DF54 if low budget is the most important factor.
2. DF64 if you want faster grinding than the 54 and the ability to later upgrade with aftermarket burrs.
3. CF64V, newer version of the DF64
4. Silenzio if you don't want to single dose.
For used, look for Eureka Specialita (has a much better timer than Silenzio), Niche Zero or Timemore 064s/078s.
Definitely **not** Timemore 078 since it's for filter only. 078**s** is for espresso.
I love my 078s and I'll cast my vote for it. Stock burrs work amazingly well for all roast levels. Only downside to it is there are very few aftermarket burrs available for it, and the ones I'm aware of (SSP MP and LeBrew Filter) got meh reviews. If you want to play with alternate burrs, get the 064s or DF64.
DF64/83V and Timemore 064s/078s come with stock burrs that do a good job for all espresso styles.
DF grinders are easier to disassemble for cleaning. Timemore grinders are harder to disassemble and reassemble, but they have so little retention, they hardly ever need to be cleaned.
However, at least [one Redditor prefers Casa to Niche Zero for traditional espresso](https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso/comments/1ievgpk/lagom_casa_65cl_review_niche_zero_comparison/).
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