Lagom P80

Your grinder is the most important piece in your espresso system. The brewer is the least important. That is, if you are going for the taste and experience. Decide if you want a grinder with a hopper or if you want single dose. The Zerno Z1 or Z2 ($1,500 to $2,500), Kafatek M6 ($2,500), Lagom P80 ($1,800) are just a few very good single dose grinders to consider.

I picked one up too! I’ve never owned an electric grinder before and was planning on picking up a P64 this fall when I’ll be in China to save on shipping and duties. the P80 was a no-brainer for me given the price and the fact that I can use it with ULFs.

A few days ago, I finally got hold of my Lagom P80 which marks the end of hand grinding coffee for me since I got into coffee around eight years ago. So far, everything works perfectly and the workflow is great. I’m getting near-zero retention and there isn’t really a need for RDT given the ionizer, RPM purge, and the knocker. As for the 80mm omni burrs, I haven’t had the chance to really season them so my overall impressions could change in time but I would like to give you my general observations for what it’s worth. First things first, these burrs have produce a cup with a very gentle acidity that becomes more pronounced as the coffee sits on your palate. Very different from the pietro I owned where the acidity is one of the first things that hits you when you take a sip. In terms of clarity, I feel like it’s slightly above my my comandante though I would need to AB test after sufficient use of these burrs to draw conclusions. Definitely not as high clarity as a pietro, but still good for pourover. Astringency/drying finish is very, very low and makes for an easy drinking cup and a very forgivable grinder. Body is really good which helps the flavor linger on your palate for longer. All of this adds up to a burr set with a great finish, a great body, good clarity, and a balanced cup profile. Lastly, I’ve found that you need to go pretty corse to get the best out of this grinder. I’ve found 7.3 a good starting point and I do 4-5 pour pulse recipes to compensate. Feel free to ask me questions or to let me know what’s worked for you on this grinder if you own one.

Can’t really say yet. I need more time with the grinder to see how it improves with seasoning and how it fares across different processes and coffees. If clarity improves a bit, I can see myself liking it more than a pietro but that’s not promised. I do feel comfortable in saying that I like it more than my comandante though. It wouldn’t bother me if I didn’t end up liking this more than the pietro for pourover though as I bought this grinder to do both espresso and pourover, fully understanding that there are some concessions to be made when looking for a burr capable of both. If ever I want a pourover focused grinder, I’ll buy a burr specifically for that.

Finally got back from travelling and was able to make a couple shots on my flair 58 with a trad lever profile this morning. Its results on espresso were great. Better than most cafes I’ve been to. My wife, who doesn’t like espresso, even thought that it was good. The burr’s description from Option-O really is on the money. Sweet and clear. The shots weren’t really astringent and linger on the palette allowing the flavors to evolve kind of like a good whiskey. It’s also clear enough that the flavor notes of the light roast I used weren’t lost in the one milk drink I made.

Actually very good approach! But I ordered straight away when orders opened. P80 is continuity of P64. Hope everything will be ok 🤞🙂

Ordered. Like my Casa workflow and feel. Quality product. Will replace df64

This is my exact setup and I love it, however, only have a Bambino plus and Sculptor 64s to compare to. Retention in the P80 is almost non-existent with non-RDT’d medium to dark beans, especially when compared to the Sculptor.  The Elizabeth is also great and much more customizable than the Bambino Plus. I primarily drink cortados and lattes, and it has not missed a beat when pulling multiple shots and steaming 8+ oz of milk. Some considerations though are the placement of and access to the water tank. I have mine under kitchen cabinets so have placed felt pads under the feet to ease sliding it out and refilling.  My reasoning for going with the P80/Elizabeth combo was probably the same or similar to your own; a ‘solid’ dual boiler + a higher-end flat burr grinder with low retention and a matching aesthetic. I think these two do well to answer that. 

Mazzer Philos with 1200D Burrs or Lagom P80. Lagom may be slightly better for clarity and “modern” espresso. Honestly though, for me it came down to aesthetics & height. I prefer the built like a tank design of the Philos and ease of access to the burrs without losing grind setting. Where I have my machine & grinder is under a cabinet in a butlers pantry. The motor of the Philos and most of the grinder itself is tucked away under a cabinet and then the hopper is just outside of the cabinets. With the Lagom I would have had to pull the entire grinder to the edge of my counter & it would have just been more awkward to use. Also Philos was here before Christmas & Lagom would not have been. I don’t think you can go wrong with either.

Yup, ordered within the first minute! Reasonable price and shipping including duties. I wish it came with a PCS like the 01.

Mizen is a different burr than the 102HU - they are the two standard options for the Lagom 01. The Mizen is more of a general all rounder and isn’t as clear, focused, sharp and acidic as the 102HU option. It’s still very clear - but it is more laid back. With water dialing, the right brew method and grind size - you can make either burr sweet, but the 102 Mizen will be more so. For that matter though - the P80 grinder at $1500 with the stock 80 Mizen burr actually sounds like it might be the best fit. It’s a very solid 80mm grinder for around the price of the Z1 - and with that one burr will do espresso and pour over very well. It certainly has a better workflow than the Z1, Z2 or Philos - and it has a much smaller footprint than any of those three options or the Lagom 01.

P80 is cleaner, has an ionizer - can grind direct to portafilter without an extra attachment, has auto purge and auto off vs manual purge and manual off, knocker is in a better position and easier to use - literally better workflow in every way than the Z2.

Profitec Pro 800, with a WPM ZP1 or Lagom P80 grinder 👍😎

I also suspect you'll be just fine with the 80mm flat. I have a P80 and only have the stock burrs, but it's very versatile. The burr options at that size run the full spectrum between body and clarity. Now, if you had something larger like the 102mm, with limited burr options that exclusively focus on clarity, I think a separate conical might make sense. But not so much at 80mm.

I waited 3 months but it is such a flexible fun grinder. The burr changes are a breeze and for single dosing it’s perfect at this price point (p80 might be better I guess). Mazzer was too bulky for me and I liked the look of both Z1 and Option O way better. I would strongly consider those two options!