Segway - MAX G2 / MAX G2E

Can find refurbed Max G2s on ebay for around $500. Mine has been great for 1600 miles.

Ngl I have a Segway scooter and it’s awesome, it can take you most places you need to go and goes decently fast

I have the ninebot max g2 and I’m usually going at around 20mph but it can go a bit faster than that

It does slow down but on a mostly full charge I can go up hills at around 17 mph

Ninebot Max G2 fits the bill (Max G2E in EU) I am assuming you're in EU? EU G2E goes 25km/h and US is 35km/h. Sadly no button to unlock it, but you can flash custom firmware onto it to achieve that. Max scooters are highly moddable. * It's motor peaks at 1000w (that's the "official" rating, it's higher on current firmware ;)) * It weighs 24.25kg. Just at the limit. * It's one of the most solidy built scooters out there, and has great reliability. Needs almost no maintenance, only air in the tires and bolts tightened once in a while. Simple as it gets. * It also has IPX5 rating for externals, and IPX7 rating for battery/controller aka 100% waterproof. It's built to handle the rain, even a lot of rain. * It's got traction control in the app, also good for in the rain, but if you want to take it on some dirt or light off road, it's REALLY useful in those situations. I use it all the time, it's very nice. * Excellent suspension, one of the best by far at it's price. * Range is great for the price too, I can get 35-37km at *35km/h*, at *25km/h* that would be more like \~45km The Kukurin G3 is not a bad choice either. I will say that Kukirin is more of a "budget" option though, and have had a lot of reliability issues in the past. They're not *bad* scooters, just the Max G2 is a literal benchmark of what reliability and great build quality looks like. It will surely give you less issues in the long run. The G3 has a bigger battery, and of course higher top speed as it's major selling points. The Max G2 has a wider frame+handlebars for stability, built in FindMy, better suspension, much better waterproofing, and again excellent build quality/reliability. G3 is faster (or if you go slower, has more range), Max G2 will ride much nicer and handle any abuse you throw at it.

I meant you could probably find a way with a custom firmware that allows you to change a button on the scooter to control it or something. Actually, even easier might be customizing the drive modes (eco, drive, sport) and having sport mode unlock the speed limit. I don't use custom firmware myself, but that sounds like something you could easily do, just do a little googling and im sure there's many ways to do what you want. I got my Max G2 on a payment plan with my credit card. Needed it when I was in a tough spot financially, it gave me a mode of transportation to fix my situation, paid it off quickly, and I even got 5% cashback on it which was nice! Shit was a life saver .

I also weigh 145lbs. My ninebot max G2 gets 23 miles of range in sport mode, going up and down fairly steep hills too. It's a little on the heavier side, but I have no issue folding it up and carrying it around up stairs/onto the bus/etc It's got front and rear suspension which I feel makes a huuuge difference overall. Many scooters at this price point dont have any suspension, or only front. It's a VERY reliable scooter and after 2000 miles on mine, i havent had to do ANYTHING except inflate tires weekly.

They love to shit on the Max G2 lol, probably because it is just so much better than most of the scooters they test and Segway doesn't pay to shill their products. Again ESG is great for showcasing a scooter's features, and the range tests are super good. But if you want legit reviews, i think it's best to use reddit and see what actual people have to say. Even if a youtube reviewer is honest, rarely do they actually test a scooter long enough for problems to arise and to get a proper "review" of the scooter. Speaking of both of those things, Ginger on Wheels actually has several videos on the Max G2, each at different mileages so he has a well formed opinion on it.

This is because 99% of credible scooter manufacturers advertise scooters at their nominal power, not maximum power. The Max G2 is a 550W scooter. To call it a 1,000W scooter is disingenuous based on the normal terms of scooter marketing. All those dozens of 350W entry-level scooters you see advertised - you think that's the max power? My four scooters from different manufacturers that I bought as 500W scooters -- you think that's the max power? Nope and nope.

Your at the limit but the Max G2 is pretty water-proof and strong. I'm 6'2/220 and ride a G30P (2700kms) daily in all weather. Forget apollo , They just don't care.

Hey man I think you're gonna have to stretch that budget a bit. Don't be like me. I got a Ninebot Max G2 and it couldn't get my ass up the hill in front of my house! I upgraded to a dual motor Apollo City Pro 2023. Had to sell the Ninebot about half the price I paid for it. The City Pro has a weight limit of 100kg though. I think the Apollo Phantom V3 bumps that up to 136kg/600lbs. It's not just about the weight limit of the frame. If you hit a hill you need decent motors to get you up. Good luck! And fuck all the smartasses in the comments man

From my experience they all seem to have QC issues. It's not like a motorbike or even a bicycle where there's brands that, while expensive, produce extremely high quality products that can take the worst abuse. I had a Ninebot Max G2. It was a piece of shit. Bought an Apollo, figuring a Canadian scooter would be better. The suspension is all messed up. If Honda produced a motorbike that snapped in half there'd be a massive recall. Yet every day I see pictures of snapped scooter stems and the companies don't give a shit. EDIT - downvoted for my G2 comments. Go look up G2 overheating issues which they fixed by reducing the power so you're getting a scooter less powerful than advertised. Then look up issues with regen brakes automatically coming on and throwing people over the handlebars.

It was literally released with overheating issues which they resolved by just reducing the power. So you're getting a less powerful scooter than advertised. Mine couldn't go up inclines it was rated to handle and I'm not overweight. Then there was the issue with regen brakes turning on automatically when going over speed, eg down a hill, so people were flying over the handlebars. They fixed it with a firmware update but still. Let's not pretend it's flawless

It all depends on your budget, commute, and how heavy you are. Tiny dude doing short trips on flat pavement? You can get something small like a Ninebot E2. I myself have the Apollo City 2023. It's got dual motors so can get my >90kg ass up hills and all the way to the city. I used to have the Ninebot Max G2. It was a solid scooter, just didn't have enough power for hills.

I've been recently getting acquainted with our handlebar friendly friends the humble e-scooter! Thanks to Ed and Tim for letting me rip around and get the feel for two of the most popular entry level suspension e-scooters on the market. Here are my findings! Segway Ninebot MAX G2 Rider weight: 85kg Range (hilly areas): Top 50% - 13km Bottom 50% - 11km Total range - 24km (would go further on flat areas) Top speed - 36km/h (device) 33km/h (GPS) on flat with a little more to give, likely 40km/h max Average speed - 15km/h Elevation gain (top 50%) - 257m Elevation gain (bottom 50%) - 134m I honestly felt like my wrists were going to fall off. There is definitely a lot of pain in the wrists even after just 5km - taking the front splint out of 187s might help. Coming from electric unicycle obviously I am not used to having my hands do so much work while riding. I have also not made adjustments to the throttle position as this is not my hardware so that could help quite a bit. There's just barely enough power in the MAX G2 to get me up a substantial incline without overheating. That should go without saying considering the low nominal output power. On long inclines the speedometer flash red indicating overheat of battery or motor. I would have to stop frequently on long inclines in order to allow it to cool down. I ran the entire test in sport mode (top mode with acceleration assist unlocked in app) as I am not a lightweight rider. Inclines of 10-15° would result in a top speed of 14-17km/h at full battery, whereas a short incline of 20-25° reduced me to 4-7km/h. At inclines of 30° I was completely stopped even in sport mode. This isn't going to be what I'd consider commuter viable for anyone over 75kg - unless they live in dead flat suburbs. Pedestrians are quite a bit less friendly than with other PEVs. E-scooters definitely have more of a stigma attached to them already, which is sad. Some people are friendly however, not everyone was scowling. I see way more positivity or neutral attitudes from the public on the EUC. Electric skateboards are somewhere in the middle. Segway rate this e-scooter as being able to survive 20,000 km before major failure however every bump I go over and every misaligned paver makes me doubt that very much unless all of those kilometres were done on a perfectly laid road. I could not get the cruise control to work at all. I tried both modes - neither would engage. This could be due to custom firmware that the owner advised me about. If I could have engaged cruise control it would have taken away a lot of the wrist pain due to having to hold the throttle on the whole time. I was able to set the regenerative braking which automatically applies after letting off the throttle. I found the weak setting to be the most intuitive and safest. I found strong to be reasonably easy to get used to however due to the low power of the motor, I would not use the strong regenerative braking setting in hilly areas with heavy rider weight, as the regenerative braking introduces extra strain on the motor. As a heavier rider it might be better to leave regenerative braking off and coast instead, to allow the motor to cool down after long inclines. This is a shame because regenerative braking extends range. I love how the MAX G2 has a 3 amp charger built into the board itself and you only need to carry a clover style direct 240v power cable to charge it. I don't know how much extra weight this adds, however most people would be carrying the charger in their backpack anyway. There is also a DC barrel jack port for external power bricks. I prefer having less weight on my shoulders so this is an excellent design choice. Unfortunately I was unable to get the e-scooter to report that it is on charge/connected to mains power, neither in the app or on the physical screen on the stem. This was while using the inbuilt 3 amp charger and external 240v cable. This is a huge design oversight as every other PEV I've owned or ridden has a charging indicator somewhere on it or some way of letting the user know that the charging has commenced. It blows my mind Segway of all manufacturers would not have this simple indication. I wish the horn was a ringing bell sound not a beep sound. Pedestrians act more predictably when a sound is emitted similar to a bike bell. Sometimes they would not react to the beep at all. I tried riding forward stance and side stance. Both I found to be reasonably comfortable with little foot fatigue. Even the relatively short deck is ample for my height at 6'5 however my back foot was always on the rear guard not on the deck itself. While in side stance I would keep both feet on the flat of the deck. Braking feels more predictable and safe when in forward stance. Cornering feels more predictable and safe when in side stance. Toeside cornering is a piece of cake however heel side cornering is terrifying as a beginner which is strange because I had the complete opposite experience on electric skateboard. I was pleasantly surprised to find that shifting weight off of one foot to provide some respite was relatively easy and did not affect balance. I was able to shake the loose foot to provide some blood flow and rest. Again this may only be because I have experience riding EUC one footed, however having the handlebars must be a contributing factor. The suspension is very good and can handle going up and down 45° curbs without too much issue. I did find myself wanting for more suspension travel however coming from an EUC like the the S22 Pro+ that makes sense. I am now interested to know what the difference is between the hydraulics suspension on this MAX G2 versus the spring suspension on other escooters. Despite the suspension being so capable, every time I went up and down 45° curbs I did worry quite a bit about where the stem folds down. I think it's quite absurd to assume the manufacturers claim of 20,000 km before failure. One gripe I have is the fact that you cannot control the regenerative braking variably like you can on an electric skateboard. Basically if the throttle is off the computer controls how much regenerative braking to apply and your only option is to use the physical drum break to slow down further. As far as off-road goes I only took it on grass and very light gravel for short distances. I wouldn't dare take it anywhere else, as the stock tires do not have the tread for it, nor does the e-scooter have the power for it. I found it to be predictable and reasonably comfortable on grass, whereas gravel I would not corner at any speed over 10km/h. Generally speaking, I was pleased with the results of the MAX G2 considering a modest 36v system, 900w peak power / 450w nominal, and 550wh battery capacity. Very efficient, reasonably comfortable. However, if you weigh more than 75kg and intend to commute regularly in hilly areas, you need 1kw+ nominal motor power in my opinion. Note: the model I tested had a tuned controller, the stock controller would be even more lacking when it comes to climbing hills at a heavy rider weight. InMotion S1 Rider weight: 85kg Range (hilly areas): Top 50% - 22.5km Bottom 50% - estimated same as above or less Total range - 42.5km (would go further on flat areas) Top speed - 30km/h (device) 29km/h (GPS) on flat with nothing more to give (locked by firmware) Average speed - 15km/h Elevation gain (top 50%) - 268m Elevation gain (bottom 50%) - estimate same as above or less With a bigger 54v system and a 500w nominal power motor, the S1 takes off from the line a lot faster and with more urgency than the MAX G2. I expected the range would be a little more too, with 675wh battery capacity. The suspension system is also a little different and perhaps a little firmer than the MAX G2. I definitely feel more fatigue in the hands after short periods. I could not even finish the range test due to discomfort in the hands and wrist, I bowed out at 50%. I have a new appreciation for hands free PEVs! The power of the S1 is certainly excellent for commuting and effortlessly carries me up 10-15° inclines without much reduction in top speed, as I coasted up one such incline both in drive and sport mode with no problem. Eco mode does tend to suffer a little with hill climbing but not much. In drive mode I was able to ascend an incline of 20-25° and my top speed was only reduced to 13-15 km/h. I am definitely enjoying the slight bump up in power, whereas the MAX G2 felt a little too underpowered. Instead of user controlled indicators on the handlebars, the deck lighting indicates left and right depending on the lean angle of the S1. Not too good for letting those behind you know your intentions ahead of time, so I have to say I prefer the MAX G2 indicator system more. I am glad to report that the S1 has a simple physical ring bell on the handlebars which is my preferred way of letting pedestrians know I am approaching. Even though the deck space looks bigger on the S1 there is actually less usable real estate than the MAX G2 which is a problem for me being a taller rider. The stem latch on the deck also interfered with my rear foot position several times which was not an issue on the MAX G2. However the stem latch on the S1 is definitely more trustworthy when folded up and transporting by hand. Carving stability is a little more concerning and wobbly on the S1 due to the reduced deck space, particularly at speeds at or above 25km/h. Braking is definitely more aggressive and less predictable than the MAX G2. I feel like the S1 could definitely throw you over the front handlebars if you hit the brakes hard enough. This results in better emergency stopping lengths for the S1, however there is a trade-off in safety for the rider under normal conditions. The S1 applies both front drum and rear regenerative braking with the one brake lever. The throttle on the S1 is difficult to maintain a coasting speed without pushing the throttle down to maximum position. This is likely due to the increased power of the motor. Unfortunately remaining in sport or drive mode and trying to maintain lower speeds like 15 km/h is tricky due to the sensitivity of the throttle. I definitely found that the throttle was exceedingly twitchy in sport mode to the point of frustration. Having to ride with the throttle fully maxed out regardless of mode is a glaring oversight and definitely a cause for safety concern. Releasing the throttle however was smooth and predictable, which is important. For some reason, despite the extra power of the motors on the S1, I was not able to exceed 30km/h, which could be unlocked in the app or through some other firmware job. However, unlike the MAX G2 I was able to utilise the cruise control once I gained access to the settings in the InMotion app. The cruise control is wonderful on the S1 and is easy to engage simply by holding down the throttle as consistently as possible for a few seconds. It even engaged as low as 7km/h, however as the throttle is a bit twitchy I had trouble locking cruise control on at higher speeds. But at least it worked, and had me grateful to finally be able to rest my hand in the late stages of the test ride. Conclusions The S1 is definitely the pick for power and hill climbing ability for heavier riders as well as range capabilities, but the MAX G2 is the pick for safety and comfort on shorter rides. I would personally buy neither, but instead look for another e-scooter with the best aspects and attributes of both - possibly a Segway with more power or twin motors. InMotion need to sort out their twitchy throttle before I'd consider their e-scooters.

You'll want a dual motor scooter which are typically above $1000. Single motor and hills @ 240 lbs isn't happening. At least not any with a decent incline. Source: I weigh less then 190 lbs and my Segway g2 max stalls on hills with decent inclines.

It depends on your physical shape and weight. Can you stand for 10 miles? It will be about 40 minutes @ 15 mph, less the faster you go. You'll have bumps in the road, etc. If your answer is yes (and it is for most people) you will be perfectly fine and you can disregard what mike said. Going 10 miles each way on my scooter doesn't bother me. I may put more weight on my rear leg and need to switch positions but other than that I'm fine. And its fun! Anyway, my suggestion is the Segway G2 max. Simply because I own the scooter and it's great. But there are other options out there that may fit your needs. Just make sure whoever you buy the scooter from has replacement parts available and they are willing to ship them otherwise you are going to have a paper weight when it breaks down.

If you can, buy a e-bike. Especially if you live off campus, scooters sucks at climbing hills. I would suggest g30 and g2 max from Segway. Just don’t update it and you’ll be fine.

G2 max didn’t make the list ? I’ve recommended it a bunch here lol

I saw the ninebot max but it stated 350-750w while the ninebot max g2 is a 1000w one so I didn’t believe it was included

I have better experience with Segway than HiBoy. Security features and comfort. I got a HiBoy s2 max and only used it for a month while going on the 3rd month with my Segway g2 max. Safe travels bud!

I agree only on the range. In every other field Segway prevails. But I did notice but s2 max hiboy could handle distances better than my g2 max Segway. But that’s the trade off for the added security, turning signals and dependable Bluetooth connection while the scooter is off as well.

But what exactly are you asking? What kind of hill? How far to work and back? Is there a specific speed you want to get to going uphill? What grade of hill is it? How long does said hill last? Simple thought, if it's not too much of a hill, a ninebot max g2 might be a good choice. Sale prices these days are around $799. Great range and decently powerful as long as the hills aren't crazy.

regulations will matter. What do they say about speed wattage maxes, etc... On the lower end, in terms of pricing, the Segway max g2 - great build quality, not super powerful, suspension, waterproof, and a little bit of power to help on the minor hills. on the upper end, think maybe a mukuta 9+ or a vsett 9+, very powerful, but not a crazy top speed. Better suspension than the g2, waterproof as well, add that it has a removeable battery so distance can be relative. Though regulations might matter.

I'd go g2, what you get for the money is amazing. Further, depending on the conditions, ip rating might come into play. G2 is ipx7 for the battery pack, ipx5 everywhere else. Zt3 is just ipx5, meaning you probably don't want to ride it in the rain

Got a Segway Ninebot Max G2. It tops at 22 MPH but slows down to 16 on some of the hills... not horrible.

Iv got a Segway G2 scooter I bought for 1400 IV used a couple of times it's like new you can have it for about $1000

I can highly recommend the Ninebot Max G2. Because of the full suspension, it has amazing ride quality. It also has very good waterproofing and is extremely stable in wet conditions. Easily the best scooter I ever owned.

Anything from Segway/Ninebot. The have superior waterproofing and stability in wet conditions. Ideally G30/G2/G3 line, those are the most robust ones.

I think the Ninebot Max G2 is the only good scooter in that range that will handle most of those requirements reasonably. Except the top speed. I feel like if you’re really serious about waterproofing as much as possible, you might have to seal the scooter up yourself if it’s anything other than the G2.

The more popular the brand, the better choices for reviews that are honest. Segway is a very popular brand. Lots of info regarding their scooters are out there. I purchased a MaxG2 after a few months of research. I found the reviews were very similar to my experience with the Max G2.

Im sure its good. But how much does it cost? I just checked and its similar priced to Segway-Ninebot Max G2 which on paper is much better.

Ok. I did order Max G2 was 611.85€ with postage.

As said for similar price it offers more. More range, speed, and most important for me is suspension, it just makes driving so much better. Segway also improves these scoots alot with firmware updates. For example, N2O acceleration (more torgue), hillhold, hazard lights etc.

I'm in my early 70's and have a Segway Max G2. I've put 600 miles on it since November. I will echo what others have said about safety wear especially a full face helmet. I only go 12 to 15 mph and with all of the cracks in the streets and sidewalks that's all the faster I want to go and still be comfortable. I agree| that ebikes are easier to ride and perhaps less tiring, but there's something that still draws me to the scooter.

I would agree with Apollo being B-Tier prior to their release of the Apollo Go/Pro. Those UL certified scooters are a significant leap in quality compared to the rest of their lineup and I haven't had any issues with the Go now in over 500KM of riding. The pure electric braking combined with the incredibly strong frame is great / issue free so far. Focused solely on their newer releases, Apollo to me is an A-tier, upcoming S-tier brand, especially when factoring in their local support / physical locations. I admire that they produce their own designs now that are UL certified rather than copying the latest chinesium from Aliexpress like most of the smaller brands. I also own a Ninebot Max, a Ninebot Max G2, and an Apollo City Pro 2022. I prefer the Apollo Go in almost every way compared to the G2; it feels substantially better made. GOAT scooter still though is the Ninebot Max. Its just so fucking well designed and rock solidly built due to how simple it is. Perfect last mile commuter, but not really a 'going on a ride for fun' scooter.

My Segway G2 max handles roads like these at 20mph with no issues, believe it or not. You don’t need to drop big bucks for a high end scooter, the Segway g2 is built like a tank, has traction control and it would work great.

I have a path like this that is about 12 miles long in my town and I have a Segway Max G2 and I ride it full speed at about 20 mph down packed gravel and have no issues as long as you don't have balance problems or eyesight issues

The Max G2 is probably going to be a lot more reliable, more of a known brand/design, and its also a lot smaller, lighter, and more compact. The Leopard is a lot faster, heavier, bigger wheels, more powerful, and has suspension which is gonna be a big selling point. Ausom is a no-name but the scooter itself is a pretty popular and common design. It's just rebranded. I think its on sale right now. TBH one of the best single motor scooters out there in my opinion.

Completely up to you, but as a G30 rider (when shit was cheap pre-covid) the lack of suspension and the short handlebars were such a pain. I just feel like the G2 is such a huge step up that it would be worth paying the extra. But again, it's your scooter and cash. Just giving my experience :)

I bought a Segway G2, my friend works for a store selling them, I got a really good deal.

As someone who was in the area and had an F2 Pro (before it got stolen), I’m going to say neither. The F2 Pro, on average, would get 10~14 miles around the city when avoiding hills in general. Given the hills, trying to get any where in downtown to the Presidio and back will likely drain your battery to 0 before you make the full trip back home (especially if the battery wasn’t at 100% from the start of the trip). So the F2 Pro’s battery will definitely not be good enough for more than just short trips around town. But I will say that the ride in general was pretty smooth, even on the bad parts of Market. The G2 Max will likely go a little further, but at that weight, carrying it in any capacity would be terrible. It should be able to climb the hills better than the F2 Pro though and will generally ride better around the city. You will definitely not be able to make a round trip across [more than half the] town on a full charge though. Even if you take the wiggle to reduce the hills as you travel. Taking either on the BART/MUNI will also suck as they _both_ don’t have folding handles and even the F2 Pro was difficult to travel with (due to it’s general size) and people bumping into the handles. When you fold either of them up and try to hold them vertically - due to their fenders or shape, you can’t actually hold them up straight; so every time the train/bus stops, you’ll be lurched in whatever direction the scooter is leaning. Which will be super difficult to deal with on those crowded rides. My recommendation? Either: - get two scooters (a long range dual motor scooter that has at least 20ah battery should be able to make a complete round trip across the city on a full charge), and a light weight scooter (something properly portable with foldable handles) for those “last mile” commutes / quick trips under a few miles away round trip. - optimize for one, but not both. While you can find long range (lighter weight scooters), none of them can go the distance in SF because of the hills. Anything that *can* handle the hills and provide you that range will be too bulky to (easily) take on public transport. Final tip: Alien Rides, fluodfreeride, Last Mile and a few other shops are around town and allow you to test drive their models before buying a new one. I’d recommend you give it a go - especially if you’re still looking to take one on public transit. Go there and ask to hold one up / deal with one as if you’re commuting to see if you can deal with it before buying anything for commuting.

Avoid Apollo they've become one of the dreaded well known brands like Unagi. I drive my G2 over hills, get decent range at 19 miles max payload. I'm 5 ft tall, the handlebars sit chest height for me. Your arms will be down but you use them for stability not really turning. You'll also have your knees bent while riding, suspension is fine but knees bent is your safest riding position and will become your default so minus a couple inches. Basically imagine that you're skiing on the road, your arms will be at that height for poles as well. Also people with "normal play" keep ramming their scooter into curbs rather than take things slowly. People with suspension issues keep jumping off curbs. Treat it like a vehicle and don't abuse it and you'll be fine. My G2 is normal and has no issues with play, because you know I ride it like an adult and take care of it.

My G2 has scratches 🙃 I'm just a clutz when walking and it's fallen over a few times. Nothing serious though I hope to paint it someday and make it truly mine, I'm just indecisive of what I'd want to paint (though if I'm honest it'll probably end up looking like a raver threw up glow stick juice on an arcade floor, big fan of black and neon) but hey if it's fine after a couple topples!

The G30 without a doubt. Isinwheel are importers of parts-bin scooters. They'll probably work; for how *long* is another question entirely, and their weatherproofing is questionable at best. The G30 on the other hand is specifically known to be one of the most weatherproofed scooters in existence, to the point it and the G2 are the only two scooters we recommend with full confidence when someone needs a ride that can take full wintertime and keep on kicking.

Here in Europe it's in every big-brand electronics store and I'm starting to see them on the road pretty consistently. In countries that have bureaucratised the shit out of scooters, or intend to do so (like mine), it's one of the cheapest actually decent scooters to get approval, so they're pushing it pretty hard. I predict it'll soon become the next M365. The venerable G30 unfortunately falls short of several requirements so I no longer see it in stores a lot. On the other hand the G2 does get certification so it's being marketed as the next level up from the F2. As for known negatives, it pretty much seems to not have any if your expectations are set correctly (mostly concerning speed). For us tinkerers it has little interest as its potential for modding is mediocre, and I personally consider its suspension a gimmick I'd rather do without, but I have no reservations recommending it to anyone.

skip F-series, get Max G2, Max G30 or used Max G30 based on your budget and requirements.

If you want something with front and rear suspension. Get a Segway ninebot max g2. From what I've seen in this forum it's the scooter of choice of almost everyone. Great reviews too on youtube.

53 pounds, roughly 25 mile range. Nice suspension but makes a loud sound when going over bumps. Can get it fairly cheap when on sale around $800 usd

I have both of them. If you have to carry it at all, I would recommend the Max G2. I was quite concerned about the infamous overheating but I've never encountered it. It has been utterly reliable and it just works, really well. I ride a lot with my family so we have a mix of scooters and I pre-ordered the ZT3 because my sis has a dual 1000w china clone and she just smokes me even when only using a single motor and I got tired of being left behind. The ZT3 suspension is notably better than the Max G2 but if the worst you're dealing is some bumpy sidewalk, either will do just fine. The ZT3 has increased ground clearance, markedly better acceleration and improved top speed but is appreciably larger in every dimension and as others have noted, its range is disappointing for the weight. The single biggest feature on the ZT3 that appeals to me is the proximity unlock... So convenient. The G2 fits fairly well in the back of an X5, the ZT3 requires laying a seat down to get it in. As others have noted, the ZT3 has some mildly ridiculous looking plastic trim that makes it appear tacky, the G2 is just business and classy. Hope that helps. *edited for grammar

I'm sure it could be skewed by the difference in tires but what stands out is the total amount of travel, allowing the ZT3 to smooth over larger bumps. Completely subjective but the more compact suspension on the G2, even though not quite as capable, strikes a better balance between size and performance.

Ngl, my g2 never braked while going downhill, when going above 25, it start braking a little when going above 35, which I think make sence (and I don't know about the xiaomi, but I really like the little bip it makes when going above 35 to warn you about the speed, since I don't always look the dashboard, it's a clever way to tell you that you are overspeeding). Also, I have no issue going over the 25 speed limit, just in the basic app, change the sport mode setting and boom, 35 max speed. (Might be because I have a US vertion tho)

Got a US vertion of the G2, it can go to 35 without any problem in S mode. It also doesn't brake until 35km/h while going downhill and produce a sound when overspeeding (which I find very clever), it will start braking slowly when going above 35. So maybe it's just the EU verion that's lame (cause regulation)... but mine got no problem going over 25

I have ridden the Xiaomi 4 Ultra and I really didn't like it. Although I really wanted to, as I appreciated its design. I agree with the most points stated in the post, but here's what I disliked the most: 1. The suspension just sucks, which is true for almost all the elastomer-based suspension systems - I have no idea why they are even still being used (apart from "they look cool"). Same problem with Ninebot P series, which I have also tried and didn't like for the same reason. It manages to be simultaneously too loose (due to rebound being too slow) and too stiff at the same time. G2's springs are miles ahead. 2. The motor brakes are anemic. I ride my G2 with the "strong" energy recovery mode, so I barely even use the mechanical brakes. On Xiaomi it's pretty much impossible - the motor doesn't offer enough braking power. 3. The build quality feels cheap and rattly. Which is just entirely unacceptable for a scooter that has started at 1000 EUR price point (cheaper now, but still feels overpriced). 4. Range. I have gotten about 25 km out of Xiaomi 4 Ultra, while I can reliable get 35 km out of G2 Max. While part of it is due to Xiaomi being 48v, as opposed to Ninebot's 36v, it really doesn't provide enough advantage in a day-to-day use. Xiaomi doesn't feel much more powerful, so the sacrifice in range is pointless. If Xiaomi 4 Ultra was 500 EUR - fair enough, I could live with these issues. But a grand? Sorry, that must be some joke.

Segway MAX G30 is a proven, rugged, and simple design that works and has enough speed (19mph) and power for daily commuting use. It just works and not much to worry about. They are $599 now. The G2 is the next generation of this and is probably pretty great as well. I’d get one of those two over anything else. They are like the Civics of scooters.

If you can stretch that budget just a bit, I'd get the Ninebot Max G2 for $800

G2 has much more range. It also has turn signals and suspension

I'd hate to be a buzzkill, but avoid all of the e-scooters you've mentioned except the Segway G2 Max. Although it’s by far the slowest, it's one of the safest options for a first-time rider. If you don’t mind spending a bit more money and have a sensible amount of restraint, I'd recommend the Punk Rider Pro on one of the slower modes. Everything else is a no-go, as these remaining scooters are better suited for riders who have real-life riding experience. In my opinion, avoid purchasing anything too powerful until you've gathered at least 500 miles of solid learning. This includes learning how to brake, lean, and knowing your local laws—essentially, everything required for safe riding. Before stepping into the realm of high-powered scooters, also consider investing in safety gear. If you decide to be ambitious with your options and buy a powerful scooter, first get an ECE 22.06 helmet or better, along with a good pair of gloves. If you’re set on a high-performance option, I’d recommend the Nami Klima Max, purchased through Fluidfreeride. Just be sure to learn on the DRIVE (D) mode instead of S, C, or X modes. I believe the Nami Klima is one of the scooters that received an update this year, and there’s an active owner in their Facebook group (Michael Sha) who’s available to help diagnose problems if needed. Fluidfreeride has been a consistently good retailer for me, since I live near their centers I'd recommend it, but make sure to look at this map before making any decision with purchasing the Nami Klima Max. (https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1xSLhuOoNh9l7oAahfUG7-Mq8sC\_wbHjz&femb=1&ll=42.42722731084132%2C-86.0724904430783&z=7) Aside from that, you're going to only really replace these parts or do maintenance on the Nami Klima's Brake Pads 200-300 miles Tires 200-2000 miles (Depends on your driving style; smooth or aggressive throttle. Aggressive wears tires quickly) Look at your brake levers & caliber's brake fluids once every couple months Tire pressure keep it at 45-50 psi (Check almost every day, but I recommend riding on 45 psi because there is a lot more grip on it but go with 50 psi if needed) Cautionary: Do not do jumps on any escooter with suspension, that's how your suspension breaks. The Nami Klima doesn't have a folding latch for upstairs if you need to take one up there. \^ The Nami Stellar would be an overall better option but it's only available with Nami only... Aside from that, good luck with your purchase and I hope you the best. Stay safe and make sure to update us later on.

I’m 81 and bought myself a Segway Max G2 for my birthday last year. Luvin’ it but winter’s slowed things down lots. Looking forward to hopping back on and cranking it up. I feel safe cause I’m fully geared up and it’s seldom I’m not going full speed. A few more hours on it and it’ll be time to look for dual motor speedster. Can’t wait. People don’t expect to see gray hair when I take my helmet off. LOL

I'm 48 and ride recreationally, I started with a Segway G2 max.. bumped up to a dual motor scooter shortly after... Lot's of fun. But keep in mind if you don't like it they are hard to resell unless u drop the price down 75%... I have my Segway with only 200 miles on it up for sale at half price with not only one hit. If you really think you will enjoy it just go for a dual motor and keep it in mode 1 until your ready for more.

I went from a Ninebot Max G30 -> Ninebot Max G2 -> Kaabo Mantis X Plus. Both upgrades so far, I was able to recoup ~70% of my purchase price from selling the old scooter on fb marketplace/craigslist

I've had my ninbot max g2 for over a year now, it does what I need it to do without much fuss

Buy a ninebot g2 max. It’s incredibly flexible for what it is.

Scooter. Way more portable. Ninebot g2 max is the way to go for a short 4-8 mile trip

I mean you’re not gonna find good hill performance at that price point, especially depending on weight. You should also really mention your way because there’s a big difference if you’re 120 pounds or 250. It’s just not really possible to get a dual motor scooter at under $600. Nothing good anyway. I’m a little bit surprised because if you look at actual reviews of that scooter on videos, it looks like it should handle hills that are approximately that steep. If you really wanna go through the headache, you could return it and try and exchange and see if that one will work, but it would be annoying to have to return it twice. I know the Segway ninebot G2 max is pretty decent and would handle a hill like that, but the price will vary depending if you’re finding it refurbished or on sale.

Thanks y'all, I've picked the max g2, should come tomorrow. I still believe that the xiaomi 4 pro is better for the city, but I'm out in the suburbs with sketchy roads, so I hope suspension will be able to handle them.

I want to share my impressions after several trips. The G2 MAX is way bigger than a basic scooter, it's a struggle to handle and doesn't slide through doorways easily. It ain't cut out for hill climbs, even with some manual pushing. I basically break a sweat lugging it 10 meters up a hill. On flat roads, it's pretty smooth, and controls ain't as jarring as the F40i. I got stuck with the European version so 25 km/h is probs my speed limit(

u/aurelgheata said in a different thread that the actual power of Xiaomi is \~800W. I'm not able to test any scooter with suspension to see if it's worth the extra 200 euros and 5 kilos of weight.  However, I'm also afraid of rain halfway through the ride, so if G2 has IPX7 protection for the engine and IPX5 for all other parts, maybe its still superior. Can you tell me how well g2 handles raining and puddles?

Looks like the Pro 4 and the G2 Max have the same power. I would say the biggest difference is going to be the suspension system on the G2 Max and the lack of suspension on the Pro 4. I’m a big fan of my G2 Max and really appreciate the suspension system. It handles hill pretty well unless they get super steep. Hope this helps!

The g2 handles well. The tires have water channels so it’s pretty stable. My experience and others have been no water damage when riding in the rain. I imagine they will all handle the same in water because of their tire size. I would say the extra cost for suspension is absolutely worth the cost and conform when riding, but that’s my opinion. I’ve also had a few crashes on my G2 max (from user error) and the scooter is still working as if it’s brand new. Hope this helps in making your decision.

I agree, I’ve travelled over 20 miles on a single day with that exact scooter and it’s an absolute champ. The suspension is awesome and it’s just such a good scooter altogether.

Haha not every day, the Arizona heat would kill me if I tried that. Rather, I tend to use the scooters full range when commuting longer distances (such as from my university campus to friends houses).

This is exactly what I was thinking about looking for my first as well. And Segway seems to stand for reliable as well, so the G2 was a great buy. I will upgrade in time, but for now, it's pretty cool.

No. The Limes in LA have just a bit more acceleration than my Ninebot Max G2, and the G2 is already more powerful than the G30LP. Limes have come a long way out here, they’re fairly impressive at this point (for a single motor scooter with basic suspension). They’re also like 4x the cost now 🤣 Like many, my scooter obsession all started because of how much fun I had riding all over downtown LA with friends on Limes. Good times!

I’m 6’3” and the G2 Max fits me fine. very high quality compared to many alternatives that get posted here

ZT3 is too new to be trusted yet imo, I'd go for the G2 which is a known good scooter, and is portable (enough) for most women the G2 is too heavy.

**Max Speed** In the US the winner is the G2 as it's just mathematically undisputed faster. **Acceleration:** - **G2 Version 1.11 and Below and above 1.4:** With a full battery, the Segway G2 outperforms the Xiaomi 4 Ultra slightly. However, even at 70% battery, the Xiaomi remains competitive most likely due to its 48V vs. segways 36V. Unfortunately, during these versions, Segway compromised the fun factor in acceleration. The Xiaomi also slightly accelerates above 25kmh to 26 sometimes and then comes back to 25. That's also what I had on the v1.4 of Segway but now it's gone. - **Xiaomi 4 Ultra:** The Xiaomi offers linear acceleration, which might feel lackluster. The S+ mode feels more like a basic D mode from the Segway, lacking excitement. It's as if Xiaomi doesn't want you to enjoy the ride at all costs. Their target audience might be 80+ old fucks suffering from arthritis and joint pain. Accelerating into a corner is the most boring thing u can do with the Xiaomi as you will not feel anything. Bypassing other bikes in the lane is also a struggle since u need a lot more time to reach max speed which In the end is dangerous. Overall with the nerfed G2 Version the Xiaomi manages to win tho by a small margin. If I knew that there is no hope for a 1.11 update I might just side with the Xiaomi and call it a day. If suspension was on par with the G2 i would surely call it a day. We also don't know if Segway in the end decided to fuck up all of its customers and just decides to also stay at a peak power of around 900w which is what I have now. It's also worth mentioning that Xiaomi doesn't care about customers since other scooter brands Take advantage of local regulations while Xiaomi doesn't even answer to their customers and doesn't meet their demands. (Example in Germany u can have a max speed of 10% above tolerance) There is no reason to believe that Xiaomi will improve something that a customer wants with some sort of software Update while Segway is at least aware that it plays a major role and is going for it. (V1.11 n2o mode) It's also worth to mention that when going downhil Xiaomi is more lax on breaking. You can go faster than the G2 which will break harder to not allow you to go beyond the limit. - **G2 Version 1.4 or 1.11:** The Segway G2 is the clear winner, offering a fun driving experience. The Xiaomi 4 Ultra struggles to keep up. The G2 clearly fucks the ultra away and every ride is enjoyable. All of the other factors can be ignored, since this major point just overshadows all other points mentioned below. If it didn't have so many manufacturing issues you would be able to buy it blindly and ingore Xiaomi forever. Note that Xiaomi could easily pump up the peak power to 1400W with their superior Motor, however they took the decision to make it only superior on paper and slightly when climbing hills as an obese person. *Note: In Germany, the G2D is limited to 900W, making the Xiaomi the winner in terms of acceleration in this specific case, but not by far.* **LED Light:** - The Xiaomi's LED is slightly brighter. Nobody should care tho. Both lights are good enough. **Steering Wheel Feel and General quality feeling:** - The Segway G2 feels more premium and expensive in regards to the steering wheel, but the steering stem and the break lever of Xiaomi feels of higher quality with a higher mass and most likely is. Especially the break lever. The front wheel is also fully covered on the Xiaomi which Looks of higher quality and offers a better Visual Design. For some reason the tires also look wider. https://imgur.com/a/o0sup42 **Brakes:** - Xiaomi 4 Ultra takes the lead. The difference is noticable compared to the g2. I wouldn't dare to drive 35kmh on the G2, the Breaks are really not suited for that. However both have only cheap drum Breaks. Xiaomi started with 1000eur, that's basically unacceptable. **Motor Brake:** - The Segway has a more effective motor brake, often eliminating the need for manual braking. In contrast, the Xiaomi’s motor brake is too weak, necessitating frequent use of the manual brake and jerky. **Suspension:** - The G2 is the clear winner. It handles bumps smoothly, providing a comfortable ride. The Xiaomi's suspension is inadequate, making you feel every bump harshly even for lighter riders (80kg/176 pounds). When standing on it the range the suspension travel is non existent. Is anyone from Xiaomi even testing those things? ### Accessories: - **Horn:** The horn on the G2 is overly aggressive and rarely used. It might be useful for scaring away wild beasts and wearwovles, but otherwise, it will be excessive ten out of ten times. The Xiaomi bell, on the other hand, is well-placed behind the brake and produces a smooth, loud double ring that people are accustomed to. - **Turn Signals:** The Segway G2 has better turn signal buttons that are addictive to press, but the plastic button can fall out if it scrapes against a wall. Fortunately, replacements are inexpensive. The Xiaomi’s turn blinkers are solidly built into the scooter, so this issue doesn't occur. Xiaomi took the weird decision to carve their turn signals into a linear hole on the wheel. Additionally, if you hang a bag on the G2’s handlebars, it can accidentally press the buttons, which isn't a problem with the Xiaomi. Some retailers tend to get their 4 Ultras imported from china since there is no restriction on that and u might get a Version without blinkers which is just funny. The wheel is smaller and it sucks to hold it. Turning into corners is even worse with a smaller wheel. - **Acceleration Button and Handlebars:** The G2's acceleration button is wider and has a smoother feeling. **Price:** - The Xiaomi was initially priced at €1000, which is steep considering it loses out in most aspects. It might have a better motor, but the limiting software diminishes its value. They fucked up hard on software and fun factor. The S+ Mode naming is extremely misleading. The Designer of that sport mode most likely was on LSD whilst inventing that name. There is no other logical explanation for that. **Bugs:** - Xiaomi has no major reported bugs, while the G2 is plagued with issues like error 10 and charging port failures, rattling rear fender due to lose screws, Ghost breaking and more. Even tho 1.11 came out, they still delayed it and it's concerning that after such a long time they still couldn't fix many of the issues, which begs the question if it has to do with the manufacturing process itself and the parts they chose to build it with. It's also worth mentioning that Segway has no issue selling a scooter that in the beginning gives u a fun experience, just to give u an "improved" software update which will make it unenjoyable. **Support:** - Both companies provide subpar customer support, typical of many Chinese brands. They literally suck but they lack competition. ( At least in Europe where most better scooters are not allowed on public roads) **Durability:** - There are concerns about whether the Segway’s 1300W boost is sustainable or if it might fry the motor and cables over time. This is also due to the 36V and the cables that come with it. **Sharp Steering Ability:** - The Xiaomi's design, with the wheel leaned backward, makes sharp turns less smooth compared to the G2. An inexperienced Driver might have his first freefall experience to the ground due to this design flaw. **App Utilities:** - Segway’s app is superior, though this might not be a crucial factor for everyone and honesty this can just be ignored. In conclusion, it’s puzzling why Xiaomi priced their scooter €200 more than the G2, given that it falls short on all key areas. **Design** The wheels Look better on the Xiaomi No Matter how u take it. The steering stem as well, but for the rest it's personal preference. The blinkers are also better visible on the G2. **Charing Speed** The G2 Wins since you can buy a 5A charger that halves the time of charging.

>It's also worth mentioning that Segway has no issue selling a scooter that in the beginning gives u a fun experience, just to give u an "improved" software update which will make it unenjoyable. This cannot be said enough. Last summer I rode several night a week just for the hell of it. Living the dream, exploring my neighborhood's bike tracks. Then the patches hit. * Lost 2-3 km of range, which suprised me enough to force me to walk-of-shame for 1.5km pushing my dead scooter. * Climbing hills that I had no issues riding at 23km/h last year now feels downright silly, as low as 8-9 km/h; I'd laugh if I wasn't worried my motor would just give up on me. These are serious fun hindering issues. I don't know if it was to prevent overheating (was never a problem for me in Canada) but my G2 feels seriously nerfed. Worst of all is Segway's lack of communication. It's like they don't give a shit. We've been hearing about v1.11 for months now and it's still loaded enough with bugs for them to only test it out in China? I'm seriously considering replacing my G2 with a Kaabo Mantis X Plus or Apollo City 2024 hoping the dual motor will carry my 150lbs up hills without agonizing. Waiting for patch v1.11 to make my final decision. If the torque boost helps with climbing without costing too much range I'll stick with it.

>At least the G2 has been out long enough to have an understanding of potential failures. Which they've actively been working to "sweep under the rug". They nerfed the hill climb to alleviate last year's overheating issues and the climb power never came back. They've been messing around with v1.11 firmwares for the past 9 months without ever being able to release a stable version. Now some of the customer base has the N20 patch with janky rides (v1.11.x) and the others are stuck with v1.7.6 which can't climb hills faster than a 400$ scooter. Tech savvy customers have all moved to CFW because Segway engineers can't get their head out of their butt.

What makes it worst is the radio silence. Segway slowly rolled out v1.11.0 to a few hundred riders, and pulled out to iron out the bugs. Then they did the same with v1.11.1. People who have those complain about unpleasant rides, and are in the complete dark as to when Segway will fix their problems. People who still have v1.7.x have much lower hill climb potential, which not everyone cares about, but I do. They really give the impression that they don't care and/or know what they're doing. The fact that most people are recommending NOT to update when you're on 1.4.8 says a lot. Segway went completely mental over mild overheating reports from people filming themselves climbing mountains in hot climate. They promptly destroyed the performances to prevent getting sued over exploding batteries, and then proceeded to take almost a year to release a firmware containing a band-aid (N20) only to take it back because it brought several other issues. I really hope they don't drop the Max G2 support like they did some other models. In its current state, my unit performs significantly worst than it did out of the box, and as advertised. It's completely unacceptable.

Weight is a big one, with the ZT3 Pro you're looking at almost 30kg, which is a bit "meh" relative to its specs. Also is a brand new design, unlike the G2 which builds over its predecessor the G30 and seems fairly reliable so far (6700km on mine despite a couple spills and making it taste a curb).

Really depends on how and where she intends to ride it. I probably spoiled myself by going for a fully suspended one on my first purchase (the Max G2) and when I tried a friend's F2 Pro,on somewhat degraded roads, it felt like I was going to damage my spinal cord lol, lack of back suspension really shakes you like a tree.

just get a ninebot max g2 for that price range

I have a ninebot and I tuned it to 30 kmh its not about being scared. Its about its being illegal in Germany

I'm with you on the mess with their firmware updates for the G2. In my experience, a hill I regularly climb near my home on 1.7.6 I was about to climb at 17mph. I now climb it at 15mph Furthermore, I weigh 147lbs. Firstly, let's assume optimal riding conditions - flat well surfaced ground, 25c temp, no wind. On v1.7.6, I could sustain 22mph until about 80% battery, by 60% it was around 18mph which it slowly dropped to about 16mph down to around 20% On v.1.1.1, under the same conditions I can reach 19mph max at 100%, it flickers between that and 18mph but usually it maintains about 18mph. It will retain this speed until about 50% where it will drop to 17mph, after which it's performance (excepting hill climbing) is about the same as the previous firmware or slightly better. I could stomach this if the original 'max speed mode' retained v1.7.6's characteristics trading off the boost mode capabilities. However, it is simply boost mode minus the boost mode. I will give credit to the boost mode in isolation though. It is a very good addition as a feature for certain riding scenarios and it certainly it great for pulling away from junctions as it will match the acceleration of normal urban traffic. It is not worth the sacrifice of what came before however. I wish I had monitored my power output more on previous firmwires but watching it closely now on a flat like I described (albeit I'm observing this at variable temperatures and wind). The power output is around 450-600W but no more. I'd just like to add this while slightly off the main topic but relevant to your criticisms so that there is more visibility on experiences on this firmware as I post my experience increasingly around forums. Note: I ride a Max G2E with a US controller setup with Xiaodash and then updated the firmware through the Segway-Ninebot app per usual If anyone who see's this has similar experiences to share or has remediated the issue with STLink (which I don't own currently) or any form of custom firmware mod or downgrading. I'd be interested. Feel free to DM me.

Segway Max seems in your wheel house. Built like a tank. It’s not the fastest thing in the world but it’s got a good battery life/range and will you get you hours of fun.

Ninebot in S tier? Their g30 and g2 models are good and stable but you all you get is a scooter which is not breaking. Which is fine but theres nothing more to it then a simple scooter going 25kph. Get to B Tier

Yes mine does 40 kph but still waaaay to expsenive

"#3 says Segway Ninebot Max - there are at least 3 different basic versions of the Max (G2, G30 and G30LP) and then a lot of different regional versions. also Niu doesn't show the specific model and there are a few... you should differentiate more in your list.

What's your budget and country?  That makes a huge difference.   Overall,  Segway-Ninebot is the biggest company and they have a range of scooters at all budgets. You won't get the best value for a dollar but you'll have an acceptable warranty and a large community of users.

Yeah Segway is the least risky option.  You can also look at Niu, although none of their kick scooters have rear suspension so long rides on rough pavement can be tiring.  If your roads aren't very smooth I would strongly recommend a scooter with front and rear suspension.   keep in mind that advertised range is much shorter than real life range unless you have perfect conditions and ride at slower speeds.

Lots of used segway g30's and g2's on the market since the g3 shipped this week. My advice, save an extra 100 and pick up one of those, or come up with a good sob story and try to sweet talk one for 200 lol