Segway - MAX G30E II

Here in Europe it's in every big-brand electronics store and I'm starting to see them on the road pretty consistently. In countries that have bureaucratised the shit out of scooters, or intend to do so (like mine), it's one of the cheapest actually decent scooters to get approval, so they're pushing it pretty hard. I predict it'll soon become the next M365. The venerable G30 unfortunately falls short of several requirements so I no longer see it in stores a lot. On the other hand the G2 does get certification so it's being marketed as the next level up from the F2. As for known negatives, it pretty much seems to not have any if your expectations are set correctly (mostly concerning speed). For us tinkerers it has little interest as its potential for modding is mediocre, and I personally consider its suspension a gimmick I'd rather do without, but I have no reservations recommending it to anyone.

> 5. Disc brake instead of drum While discs are more effective, for slow urban cruisers like these that doesn't matter all that much and drums require significantly less maintenance. In my opinion, for 36V scooters drums are a better choice. One more thing to keep in mind is that the G30, though an older model, has proven itself to be quite the tank. The F2 is more or less an unknown; we haven't received many complaints about it, but neither have we had many ecstatic owners telling us of how much they're enjoying it. Lack of complaints usually bodes well, as those tend to be posted much more often than praise, but it's still somewhat unknown territory. The G30 also has way more accessories available for it; whether this is important or not for you, only you know. If it were me I'd get the G30, but keep in mind that I have moddability as a higher priority than suspension, and since the G30 uses older electronics it's more moddable than the F2.

> Would you have any insight on easily modding scooters? Just don't ever use the official app to update the firmware and cross your finger you got an old revision, as those are the last ones that could be flashed easily. If yours comes pre-flashed to a new revision out of the box, you'll need to gain physical access to the dashboard and flash it using a ST-Link programmer. Either way, once you get it flashed with SHFW (ScooterHacking firmware) you can set your limits at will, though keep in mind that going faster than 33kmh requires more involved battery modifcation. This on the G30. I'm not sure what support, if any, SHFW has for the F2 Pro.

I'd go for the G30. Outdated doesn't really matter. It's a scooter, not a phone; as long as it does its job and its technology isn't really ancient - like, brushed motors and lead-acid batteries - it'll keep doing it satisfactorily for the foreseeable future. As well, it being older means there's a lot of spare parts and accessories, and if you're into modding you can (probably) do that without having to replace the entire controller.

I would go for the G30, much more robust construction and overall a better choice if you are looking for very low maintenance scooter that will survive thousands of kilometers without issues.

I got G30. Another big pro towards it was water resitance IPX5 in G30 vs IPX4 in Xiaomi, and ca 4-5cm longer and 0.5 wider effective deck size.

Ninebot max G2/G30 is the benchmark for water worthy scooters. Ipx7 rated internals. They're used as rental scooters due to their durability and weather capability

Ninebot G30 or G2 are hands down the easiest to mod. Just flash with custom firmware like SHU (scooter hacking utility) and you can do whatever the hell you'd like.. THe interal hardware has a LOT of headroom for turning things up. Controller can easily handle continuous 30amps, up to 35-40a (with peaks of 60a+). And field weakening will push the top speed at the expense of torque (acceleration/hill climbing). They are locked down if they are running past 1.4.6 firmware though, if it is running that firmware or below you can simply use bluetooth to flash it, otherwise you need an "ST-Link" and connect it to the controller to flash new firmware

Xiaomi has a slightly faster motor (400w vs 350w) and better light integration. Both weigh the same but slightly better range with the G30, which is the OG tank for the ‘lighter’ range of scooters. Can’t go wrong with either, aftermarket parts no issues with G30 but the 4 pro has picked up in the past 2-3 months. The battery charging is the main problem I can foresee, 9hrs is a joke for a 468w battery! Defo need a slightly higher output for the charger, as the G30 can be used with the 5a fast charger taking it to 3hrs. Only the Xiaomi 4 Pro Plus & Pro Max are suitable for the 5a fast charger from their site (unsure why the 4 Pro isn’t included). Takes charging from 9hrs to 3hrs.

Can’t go wrong with the G30, it’s a small tank! You got it yet? I was going to buy it last year but for my needs atm, had to pick a Xiaomi for the lightest option.

As a f2 pro owner, after around 800km you will get suspension wobble. It does feel like it has more torque than the g30 but the g30 required less maintenance imo, but the f2 pro has much more power.

Go with the Segway G30 if you can. It's super stable and DO NOT UPGRADE firmware if it isn't already so you can mod it and make it go faster in the future. You can get a solid 20mph out of it with a small firmware tweak and upgrade from there. Some people are pushing 30mph with battery add ons

It's literally the most stable in its class. And safe.

My first scooter was max g30 for 400. I test drove it and inspected it prior to purchase, and it still works perfectly after moderate usage and zero maintenance. Buying new is great, but if we're trying to extract max value per dollar, the used market will win in this price range. That is, of course, assuming you possess the bare minimum skill set to prevent yourself from being ripped off.

Something to note about escooters is that tire changes are a nightmare especially if you're looking at commuter escooters. My experience with a Xiaomi pro 2 was that I loved it, till I had to change the tires. Even an escooters shop that was supposed to specialise in xiaomis didn't fit the tire properly. That said, I would choose the Xiaomi again if you don't mind a dealing with tire changes. alternatively the ninebot G30 is kind of like a more expensive but slightly better in every way - slightly larger battery, 10in tires, more waterproof. I would go for an ebike if I had more space in the house to store it.

If you can wait til BF, you'll normally get the best deals of the year. Got my son a Segway Max G30 last year for $520ish. The smaller Max G30LP was a little over $400 and change.

Kind of a waste of a rating, ups and down votes on reddit isn't a reliable indicator of quality/availability, esp when only using amazon. Further, it really depends on the person riding, why it's being used, and the conditions people are riding in. Person riding - are they young/old, heavy/light, speed demons/cautious. Why? - commuter/recreation Conditions - rain/wet/snow/off-road/trail/roads/dirt/etc.. Different scooters are going to be used for different purposes. The kind of hills someone is riding on can also make a massive difference. So scooters are going to struggle with the easiest of inclines. For example - Ninebot g30 struggles with even the tiniest hills, mine drops quickly to 9mph and below on a minor incline. Whereas the g2 will cruise up it with no too much issue. If you're a commuter riding in the winter, how well does it handle rain? G30 has seemingly zero issues in the rain, even near downpour, others will likely short out. Some, battery compartment is solid against rain, but stem....not so much. Knowing these things are really what help people buy scooters, not some arbitrary reddit like/dislike

Honestly, if you've ever ridden a bike, you can ride a scooter. If you've ever skateboarded, you can ride a scooter, and every easily. If you're unsure, hit your downtown corridor and find a rental. It takes like 2 minutes or less to get comfortable. That said, if you find you like the ride and you know you're gonna use it, don't buy a starter, it's just a waste of money. Speed modes can regulate how fast you go, so you can always leave it on a lower setting until you're fully comfortable. All this means is buy a well built, quality scooter that will last. And by that I don't mean something like a dualtron ultra that's $3k+. Segway ninebot max is under $1k and that's more than enough for most people.

Honestly, if you've ever ridden a bike, you can ride a scooter. If you've ever skateboarded, you can ride a scooter, and every easily. If you're unsure, hit your downtown corridor and find a rental. It takes like 2 minutes or less to get comfortable. That said, if you find you like the ride and you know you're gonna use it, don't buy a starter, it's just a waste of money. Speed modes can regulate how fast you go, so you can always leave it on a lower setting until you're fully comfortable. All this means is buy a well built, quality scooter that will last. And by that I don't mean something like a dualtron ultra that's $3k+. Segway ninebot max is under $1k and that's more than enough for most people.

I went from a Ninebot Max G30 -> Ninebot Max G2 -> Kaabo Mantis X Plus. Both upgrades so far, I was able to recoup ~70% of my purchase price from selling the old scooter on fb marketplace/craigslist

Depends, for modding no, for comfort and out of the box use yes. G30 modding has basically no limits and good communities. Power and Speed is depending on budget and skill

Segway Ninebot g30 is a good reliable scooter should be able to get for around that price. Any scooter you find that does 30+ mph at that price range will be a death trap. Start off getting really good and confident with a normal scooter at normal speeds before you start chasing high speed specs. At 20 on a scooter you can do some serious damage still and feels fast.

No I don’t expect the mod team to action them. It is good to be aware though that this occurs in so many subs and threads. And not just here in reddit. You mods do a great job. And I agree the g30 is fantastic.

Seems to be some better or competitive scooters for the g30lp price. I just got one and I love it. After 70 or so miles, I think suspension would be nice. And I would appreciate higher speeds. But all things considered, it is popular for a reason. I use it for fun. For daily commuting, probably the g30 max would be ideal. Or something with suspension.

It’s not too bad to put the g30 max battery in there. I’ll probably do that at some point. I think I would prefer the g30lp size over the max. So best of both worlds there.

I think it's overlooked since there isn't much room for modding in the F2 Pro. The Max G2 and G30 have more space for aftermarket upgrades. The F2 Pro is a good scooter for the price. I have one. The only thing I don't like is that spring cause after a week it clicks now. And the charging time is pretty slow.

no. do NOT buy this knockoff Ninebot Max G30. Buy the G30 or G2 instead of this crap

Get the hiboy, faster, has suspension, probably better range, Easier to control. Also consider a refurbished g30. Hiboy build quality is great, and is more powerful so if you want to hack it it will also be more stable at speed.

The hiboy has bluetooth and an app. As a g30 owner the suspension the hiboy offers is a massive dealbreaker

Segway Max seems in your wheel house. Built like a tank. It’s not the fastest thing in the world but it’s got a good battery life/range and will you get you hours of fun.

Anything from Segway/Ninebot. The have superior waterproofing and stability in wet conditions. Ideally G30/G2/G3 line, those are the most robust ones.

What's your budget and country?  That makes a huge difference.   Overall,  Segway-Ninebot is the biggest company and they have a range of scooters at all budgets. You won't get the best value for a dollar but you'll have an acceptable warranty and a large community of users.

Yeah Segway is the least risky option.  You can also look at Niu, although none of their kick scooters have rear suspension so long rides on rough pavement can be tiring.  If your roads aren't very smooth I would strongly recommend a scooter with front and rear suspension.   keep in mind that advertised range is much shorter than real life range unless you have perfect conditions and ride at slower speeds.