M365

I purchased a 1st generation Xiaomi scooter, it was generally good for getting me to work (\~5.5km one way) however I find the small wheels and the tall handlebar height made it not as stable as it could be. It also struggled up the hill a bit (it was a original 250w rated motor) at my weight but there was only 1 real hill that it couldn't really handle. I eventually sold it and got a E-bike because there was a near miss when I didn't see a small 2-3cm break in the concrete and I nearly landed on my face. E-bikes generally have more power and a lot more stable than the scooters. The only problem is it is more expensive, harder to store and can't take on public transport as easily as a E-scooter

> The KQI3 Max will give you numb knees and feet after any medium bump, no matter the speed, even when bending knees and riding properly. I've done some fairly long and bumpy rides on my 10"-modded M365 with no suspension, including some offroading, and never felt a single problem to my knees and feet. The only thing that does make me go "aw, crap" is cobblestones, but that happens on every scooter and bicycle I have, including the dual-suspension scooter and the mountain bike. I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying sensitivity varies wildly; you can't assume.

I still don't understand how my Xiaomi m365 first gen still worked perfectly after 5 years and 4000km of usage. It still had 20km of range before I sold it

Something with 8-inch tires and no suspension like the old Xiaomi is perfectly fine for city commuting, but as long as you don't plan on going over 25kph or off road. The difference in size and weight is huge. My current dual motor 10-inch is 33kg, while the old Xiaomi is only 12.5kg. Of course it's also slow, shaky and has very little deck space but the difference in footprint and especially weight puts these scooters into completely different classes and use cases.

The only decent scooters below ~350-400$ are all used. The cheapest „good” new scooter you can get is I think the NIU kqi2 pro for 379$. If you want to look for a used one, depending on budget try Xiaomi m365, m365 pro, pro 2 or the Ninebot MAX G30. Out of these the Ninebot is by far the best (and most powerful), but they all aren’t particularly great on hills, so it all depends on how big your hills are. On the Xiaomis and Ninebot you can also modify the firmware to make them a bit stronger if that’s something you’re willing to get into

It's really a reliable and simple design. Mine is similarly old and my battery lasts for 17km, but I have some more power added thru custom firmware. The only thing that ever broke on it was one of the bearings in the motor rusted out, probably from riding in the rain. A set of bearings cost me 8€ and I managed to replace it without buying any proper tools. Oh and the brake is useless and never works for more than a few days. I mostly relied on regen, which is very good on this one.

Anything dual motor that fits your budget. Single motor scooters struggle uphill, because hub motors don't have that much torque. I have a G2 Master and 90kg and haven't found a hill it won't climb. Still nothing compared to my BBSHD ebike though, that thing is a torque monster and pulls my 90kg and 2 kids (30kg) in a trailer up anything without breaking a sweat. That being said, I haven't tried a 2kw single motor scooter yet, but seeing how 2kw dual motor compares to a 1kw mid drive bike I'd say get a dual motor one.

I wouldn't know about that, I went with G2 Master because it was the fastest scooter under 1000€ I could find that isn't some no brand chinese bomb. I don't regret spending 850€ on it though, compared to my 500€ Xiaomi it's several times stronger, faster and a much better more stable ride than the toy I had before. I think it's worth spending a bit more, rather than saving 100€ only to find out it's no good and buying the more expensive one later anyway. I regret the Xiaomi, I was trying to save money, but I don't regret the Kukirin at all, so do what you want with that info.

Honestly the Xiaomi Mi Electric Scooter (M365 or Pro 2) hits that sweet spot pretty well. Got mine for around $400 and it handles hills decent enough while still getting like 15-20 miles range. The community support is huge too so tons of reviews and mods if you're into that Just avoid the super cheap knockoffs on Amazon - learned that the hard way with my first one that died after 3 months

A real m365 type xiaomi or a used ninebot max, nothing else worth buying at that price point.