M365

> The KQI3 Max will give you numb knees and feet after any medium bump, no matter the speed, even when bending knees and riding properly. I've done some fairly long and bumpy rides on my 10"-modded M365 with no suspension, including some offroading, and never felt a single problem to my knees and feet. The only thing that does make me go "aw, crap" is cobblestones, but that happens on every scooter and bicycle I have, including the dual-suspension scooter and the mountain bike. I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying sensitivity varies wildly; you can't assume.

The only decent scooters below ~350-400$ are all used. The cheapest „good” new scooter you can get is I think the NIU kqi2 pro for 379$. If you want to look for a used one, depending on budget try Xiaomi m365, m365 pro, pro 2 or the Ninebot MAX G30. Out of these the Ninebot is by far the best (and most powerful), but they all aren’t particularly great on hills, so it all depends on how big your hills are. On the Xiaomis and Ninebot you can also modify the firmware to make them a bit stronger if that’s something you’re willing to get into

Something with 8-inch tires and no suspension like the old Xiaomi is perfectly fine for city commuting, but as long as you don't plan on going over 25kph or off road. The difference in size and weight is huge. My current dual motor 10-inch is 33kg, while the old Xiaomi is only 12.5kg. Of course it's also slow, shaky and has very little deck space but the difference in footprint and especially weight puts these scooters into completely different classes and use cases.

Honestly the Xiaomi Mi Electric Scooter (M365 or Pro 2) hits that sweet spot pretty well. Got mine for around $400 and it handles hills decent enough while still getting like 15-20 miles range. The community support is huge too so tons of reviews and mods if you're into that Just avoid the super cheap knockoffs on Amazon - learned that the hard way with my first one that died after 3 months

A real m365 type xiaomi or a used ninebot max, nothing else worth buying at that price point.

I've got a couple of Xiaomi M365's that are still going from about 5 years ago. I could tell by how little effort they put into their company name, that a Honeywhale would likely have little effort put into the quality too.

That's not true. I'm sure there are plenty of companies putting their name on this scooter, but Xiaomi is not one of them. It's obviously based on and probably stolen from Xiaomi. It's basically the m365 with some dinky little front shocks thrown on as a afterthought. The m365 is the best selling scooter of all time (so far). It's basic, not very powerful, and obsolete by 2025 standards, but they were solid little scooters and really good for the money. It's like the Nokia 3310 of scooters. If it's built like a Xiaomi, great. But it's probably not. If they were a decent manufacturer, they probably be making scooters of their own design. It's pretty rare that you find a knock off that's equal to the original. "Oh my fake Rolex is so much better than the stuff that the guys that have been making watches for 400 years put out“-- said no one ever. Here's where it gets tricky. It MIGHT be pretty good, but even if your buddy got one from this company, it's a roll of the dice. Why? Because companies like this don't do any testing or quality control checks. And a lot of times they'll buy rejected components from other manufacturers. Segway takes a lot of shit for being expensive because...well, they're expensive. But a company like Segway is going to bench test each component individually and then test the completed build. If something is out of spec, it gets rejected. It might function, but fail to meet some criteria (efficiency, thermal load, or one of a dozen other criteria that I'm not smart enough to understand). Alas, they probably don't just run a band saw through those components that function but don't pass spec. They wind up in the factory seconds market. And that's where knockoffs and parts bin manufacturers buy a lot of their components. So maybe you get it and it's fine. Better than 50% odds I'd bet. But how long until something fails. Or the wild card-- what if the wrong thing in the battery fails? Is it UL certified? That's really important. It's a pretty basic certification, but if they haven't bothered to go through the certification process, or worse couldn't pass it, you don't want to have anything to do with that scooter. You don't want it in your house, you don't want to in your neighbor's house. Stay away.

Posts should be automodded if they say stuff like "2-300". IT DOESN'T MATTER what scooter you get. For the budget you're looking at, literally everything is the exact same. They're all clones of the exact same scooter. A Xiaomi M365. A <35lb scooter with a single 350w motor in the rear, 8.5" tires, no real brakes, no suspension.