Don’t. I accidentally had notifications off and forgot about this thread and got the 800. I literally tried 15 shots at various grind sizes and with good bean. They all turned out crap and basically like coffee, not espresso. I put the same beans in the Magnifica plus and it looks like real espresso.
So I ended up with the 800 and am returning it. It is hot garbage (literally). Yes temps are nice but shots are so weak it looks like coffee with a tiny bit of crema on top. I’m going to get the Magnifica plus from Costco for long term warranty. I had the dynamica plus now and it’s not bad, hope the Magnifica is relatively good in comparison.
People in this sub just group think and most people haven't tried more machines than the one they own. For instance, a lot of people trash the Bosch 800 but I know for a fact it makes espresso as good as a zura z10 as I've tried them both side by side and in fact a few of us thought the Bosch was better and is about $4k cheaper if you get it on sale. I've also tried the top end kitchenaid but not side by side and remembered thinking it's not any better.
Point being, I'm not surprised on your analysis here.
I concur, have the Bosch and it makes a really decent cup. I typically brew the red eye (drip plus a shot of espresso) and it tastes great. Its also nice when you have guests that don't care about espresso drinks and you can just brew a big batch into the pot.
Part of the Bosch 800 crew as well. Cold brew slaps in this baby! Yeah, milk froth in hot drinks could be hotter, but for the price compared to those you listed, no comparison.
No more $30 trips to the coffee place for the family anymore!
I use it daily, sometimes too often per day.
Overall, it's the only superautomatic purchase I have kept and not returned. It makes great espresso imho. Your results can and will vary depending on your water, espresso bean quality and grind. Milk based drinks are very good but if you want scalding hot experience, you'll be disappointed. It's warm or somewhat hotter than that and I find it to be a very acceptable temperature. It does make a great cappuccino, latte and flat whites. Haven't tried other choices but it can do cold brew.
Very easy to maintain. I purchased mine from Costco and it comes with cup warmer feature and WiFi/remote access thru the Bosco phone app. This remote feature is interesting but really not useful imho.
As with any purchase of a superautomatic, review the return policy of the store/vendor first before purchasing. Easy return policy is very important, imho.
Had a few superauto machines like DeLonghi Eletta Explore and others but they were all returned because they couldn't meet or surpass my semi-auto unit at the time.
Tried Bosch 800, kept it and gave my semi-auto to bil & sister. It has a rather length list of drink options offered and does superb at milk foam. But a common complaint is it will not make scalding hot espresso with milk. This is true but counterpoint is I can drink it immediately instead of having to wait some minutes like in the past with the semi-auto unit.
Freshness of roast, roasting depth and selection of coffee bean along with highly filtered water makes excellent espresso by itself (my preference on most days) and excellent flat whites, imho. The same is true for a latte.
Crowd favorite is the kitchenaid brand but you should compare brands/models to find which satisfies you the most.
yup, Bosch 800 is the only superautomatic that I haven't returned for a refund. I enjoy the espresso, flat white, coffee and latte it makes. As for milk temp, it's not scalding hot but very enjoyable immediately after brewing with no waiting for it to cool down some.
I have had my Verocafe 800 for about a month now and its been amazing for my family and friends. Definitely makes an amazing brew that's better than Nespresso, K-Cup machine. Been using Lavazza Espresso (plain) and Starbucks Pike Place beans so far. Probably made over 100-150 cups so far.
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