Fully Automatic Coffee and Espresso Machine (TPU60309)

I’m really happy with my Bosch 800 VeroCafé. They were on sale at Costco a few weeks ago for $1100.

People in this sub just group think and most people haven't tried more machines than the one they own. For instance, a lot of people trash the Bosch 800 but I know for a fact it makes espresso as good as a zura z10 as I've tried them both side by side and in fact a few of us thought the Bosch was better and is about $4k cheaper if you get it on sale. I've also tried the top end kitchenaid but not side by side and remembered thinking it's not any better. Point being, I'm not surprised on your analysis here.

I use it daily, sometimes too often per day. Overall, it's the only superautomatic purchase I have kept and not returned. It makes great espresso imho. Your results can and will vary depending on your water, espresso bean quality and grind. Milk based drinks are very good but if you want scalding hot experience, you'll be disappointed. It's warm or somewhat hotter than that and I find it to be a very acceptable temperature. It does make a great cappuccino, latte and flat whites. Haven't tried other choices but it can do cold brew. Very easy to maintain. I purchased mine from Costco and it comes with cup warmer feature and WiFi/remote access thru the Bosco phone app. This remote feature is interesting but really not useful imho. As with any purchase of a superautomatic, review the return policy of the store/vendor first before purchasing. Easy return policy is very important, imho.

Very well. Just routine cleaning. Still makes terrific espresso and lattes.

Had a few superauto machines like DeLonghi Eletta Explore and others but they were all returned because they couldn't meet or surpass my semi-auto unit at the time. Tried Bosch 800, kept it and gave my semi-auto to bil & sister. It has a rather length list of drink options offered and does superb at milk foam. But a common complaint is it will not make scalding hot espresso with milk. This is true but counterpoint is I can drink it immediately instead of having to wait some minutes like in the past with the semi-auto unit. Freshness of roast, roasting depth and selection of coffee bean along with highly filtered water makes excellent espresso by itself (my preference on most days) and excellent flat whites, imho. The same is true for a latte. Crowd favorite is the kitchenaid brand but you should compare brands/models to find which satisfies you the most.

I went with my Bosch 800 which has an iced coldbrew macchiatto option.

The Bosch 800 is the only one to consider I had an earlier model B30 it lasted problem free for 20 years and nearly 27,000 cups. When it finally broke I bought the 800 love the coffee. This sub is full of broken down Kitchen aides and DeLong crap don't waste the money the only other brand is Jura.

I have had the Bosch 800 from Costco for the past 8 months or so. I have never tried a drink from a Magnifica Plus. I prefer the hose and wand milk system on the Bosch over the canister on the Magnifica. You can change your milk varieties easier and don’t need to sniff test the canister to see if it’s still good. You can also warm up your milk in a teacup and then put the wand in so your drink is a little warmer - this is a common complaint. The maintenance is pretty easy but you need to keep descaling and cleaning tablets on hand. You should have to run these cycles independently about once a month.

I have a Phillips 5400. Its fine. I enjoy the hell out of the drinks it makes and it has been reliable. Also fairly compact. I have a KitchenAid KF8 at my vacation home and a Bosch 800 that we are about to return to Costco. Of the three, I most enjoy the KitchenAid. But, honestly there are all fine machines, and I don't regret putting the Phillips in my primary home.

made nice drinks but ergonomics were disappointing.

I had, and returned, and 800. made great coffee. the temp of the milk was ridiculously low. I wound up microwaving the milk first and that resolved the issue. I did like the unit overall but I returned it after I got akf8 at a great price.

I've had both the Bosch and the KF8. Both are good machines, and I didn't think that one made a much better coffee than the other. With the Bosch, you have to warm the milk in the microwave first because otherwise the drinks are too cold. Also, I think the fit and finish and general ergonomics are superior on the KF8. The coffee world on Bosch is pretty useless as all the drinks are very similar. The Bosch does have a really nice app, if that is important to you. I'd probably recommend the KF8 over the Bosch but the Bosch would be a good pick if less expensive.