
Breville
Bambino Plus
Fast heat-up, easy for beginners; inconsistent shots, annoying cleaning.

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The main problem is not that it doesn’t have a heating element but also u can’t take the brew chamber out of the machine and put it on a kettle because it’s connected to the whole machine. Idk why did they do that tbh but maybe to make people look at the 58x as the sweet spot or idk. With 49 mm basket it will be a nightmare to find a blind basket too. Ih and btw they don’t give u a mirror too sooooo + i was gonna get this machine but because u won’t be able to get many accessories i think i will buy a robot or 58x instead
Yeah i know that but tbh when i saw lance review and how he liked it i thought that yeah maybe this is the one. Yeah it has some problem, but it looks much better than the robot for me. It’s not a bad machine at all it’s great and the heating problem is not a big issue for me(robot has the same problem) and with 49 mm and that price..yeah pull the trigger man
I have a flair 58x and its awesome. Built like a tank and virtually nothing can fail on it.
Either a used flair 58, gaggia classic, or any legit E61 portafilter style machine should be good. Disregard any other answers. The cheapo machines will have something fail and it will be impossible to replace.
I was in your situation a few years ago and went for a flair 58 lever machine and Niche Zero. Steep lewarning curve coming from zero experience but have been using it since with good success. For milk, I use the sub minimal nanotechnology former pro.
I am not really into light roast bright floral style espresso, so it seemed like a good fit for me.
Workflow is oddly personal so let me preface: I like simple workflows. I want to wake up to preheated machine, grind, slam a portafilter in, brew, and knock. My Flair Pro rarely comes out because I find the whole process to be a little too fussy for most days. So far, the workflow has been an adjustment but it is not nearly as fussy as my flair. I've needed to retrain my routine a bit. You’re single dosing water and purging afterwards, but I’m finally getting used to it. Sometimes the machine will be on and I'll start grinding/puck prep, insert the portafilter, and then realize I haven't added the water yet, which means I'm then waiting 2-3 minutes for heating which is tedious. TLDR: Workflow is fine but there are extra steps that you will be worrying about. Proponents will say: Fussy workflow is the cost of using a machine with less moving parts which requires less maintenance. I don't think we should be considering that until we know how this thing will age in 2-3 years time
Appreciate it! I wouldn’t have bought my baratza encore during COVID if I knew what a sickness it would become. To answer your question: today, probably not… there’s just too many unknowns, especially around how long it’s going to last and what kind of support there will be. I would have a hard time recommending it today for $2k+ when you can get the flair 58 for $700. In a couple years when that’s all proven out, then maybe. Assuming you (1) will frequently tinker and make use of the different profiles, (2) rarely make milk drinks, and (3) are a super nerd that wants to look at espresso graphs every morning
I think you hit a key difference on workflow. Flair demands your attention, and back to back shots is doubly inefficient. A semiautomatic like LM will be much more convenient and maybe that’s what OPs gf wants
My hot take: Short answer is no. Even as a moderate discretionary expense, it did not represent great value for home use. It's very limited in capability (flat 9 bar, no pre-infusion without plumb-in, don't blather about pre-brew), but it does what it does extremely well. However, unless that is basically brewing a dozen shots back-to-back while steaming milk simultaneously on the regular, I don't see the value. So I installed it at the office, where 20-30 people abused it to the tune of 50+ shots per day and it was a champ. Easiest -- and the most heroically consistent -- with medium/dark italian style spro and milk drinks. On the other hand -- anyone who says the price premium is for the brand/badging alone hasnt looked inside. It is an exquisite piece of intentional and at times clever engineering. From the quality of the fittings and valves to the self-cleaning gicleur and cold water mixing at the grouphead -- this thing will outlive you if it's maintained well. It's just a pity that it seems to lack even basic modern niceties (proper pump pre-infusion, shot timer) There are other annoyances that soured me personally: the La Marzocco Home app and cloud integration is stupid stupid stupid. I mean just stupid. Why do I need the cloud to be able to schedule power on or set the fucking brew temperature? Don't bother, we all know the answer, and it is tragic that marketing dunces convinced someone at La Marzocco that IoTing appliances is a good idea. To add further (perhaps controversial) perspective: I had the LMLM on my bench alongside a Slayer Single, Flair58, and Londinium Vectis. Best in cup (but worst workflow): Flair58 for all roast levels. Next was the Vectis (for medium and light roast coffees), followed very closely by the Slayer. LMLM trailed except for darker italian style ristrettos that explicitly preferred flat-9 extractions. /end rant
Welcome to hell! It’ll be helpful to know any preferences, such as light vs darker roasts, fruity vs chocolate/nuts flavors, tea like vs syrupy textures,etc But in general: - K6 is a great hand grinder. In the cup it’ll do you fine for filter and espresso. At some point you might get sick of grinding manually, but outside of that it’s more than competent. - I hesitate to recommend manual levers to beginners. On the one hand, it’s probably the most intimate way to learn the nuances of extraction theory. On the other hand, it is probably the hardest way to learn. In the cup, manual levers in general (with good temp management) are pretty end game. I legit get the best shots out of my humble Flair58 -- yes, better than the Slayer and the LMLM. Such is the versatility of using your arm to read a shot as it happens and applying whatever pressure/flow you damn well please. - Workflow for the Flair is not speedy. While the modern versions of the F58 feature a passable group heater and the warmup time is decent (on the order of minutes), clean up of the puck screen and pump-n-purge of the brew chamber can get old. Couple that with manual grinding, and you might be asking yourself some existential questions. - If you are interested in milk drinks and medium/darker roast espresso, i would say the Bambino Plus hands down. If you can stretch a little bit, the Infuser is actually a more versatile machine, matching or besting the capabilities of machines that are 10x the cost, simply because you can pre-infuse at 3bar for as long as you damn well please. This makes dial in very forgiving for all roast levels, and super helpful for very light roasts. Steaming ain't great (slow transition, kinda weak) but completely serviceable.

Breville
Bambino Plus
Fast heat-up, easy for beginners; inconsistent shots, annoying cleaning.

Cafelat
Robot Series
Manual, durable, exceptional espresso; no milk, effort for multiple shots.

Gaggia
Classic Pro E24
Mod-friendly workhorse, great espresso with mods; weak steam, poor temp.

Lelit
Bianca
Precise flow control, dual boiler; long heat-up, average build quality.

DeLonghi
Stilosa Series
Budget-friendly, moddable; flimsy build, needs upgrades for good espresso.

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