Jura - C9 Piano Black (Article No 15739)

I have this one and love it!

Also, maybe try JURA new C9 1/2 price drinks taste AS GOOD and big 16g dose! *excellent overview*!

Also, maybe try JURA new C9 1/2 price drinks taste AS GOOD and big 16g dose! WS has them now.

A used Jura. Or check Costco. I got mine (Impressa C9) sometime ago at Costco & it was significantly cheaper than any other store. The good thing about the older models is that they have less plastic parts.

Your questions are pretty generic while being non model specific and I do agree its pretty easily abtained info for anyone who put in minimal effort, so i am not sure what specific info you are hoping for. That being said. Very few people are black coffee drinkers in this sub, most like large lattes and don't offer that info when they make recommendations. For black espresso/coffee dose size and grind are what matters. The larger the dose, the better the grind, the larger , stronger cup of coffee you can get. Delonghi is 12g max KA is 15g. There are people who are parroting that Delonghi can do 18grams or 14g max doses thanks to a Youtube influencer but that is not true he just wants to be paid by YT and Delonghi. Delonghis will clog sooner on a finer grind than Kitchenaid/jura/miele machines. That makes a difference if you enjoy stronger coffee or more traditional espresso. I have a kitchenaid and a jura, and have had delonghis. IDK what the kitchenaid price is on the insiders pass now. They used to be under $1200 on the insiders pass. I wouldn't pay retail for any machine. if the retail price after cash back is in the $1500 for the kf8 that is acceptable to me, the kf7/kf8 are basically the same machines. The new Jura C series is 16g dose and around 16g, think its about $1500 but it is worth checking out. Not sure what the difference is between those and the Eseries, but they are worth checking out. E8 is fine if you can get it for $1500 or so after cash back. Kitchenaid/Jura is what I would get whicher you can get cheaper. Meiel makes great coffee but id say away from the CM5 series unless you can get one for $800 or so.

I’ve put a Bezzera Magica (no plumbing) and an Eureka Mignon Specialità in the office kitchen, next to a Jura super automatic. 80% of the staff prefers the Jura, while the rest makes for maybe 20 coffee drinks a day on the Bezzera. It works beautifully, I’d say.

ONLY a JURA for mama!

Completely different set up. The Jura is a super automatic: press one button and it’s makes you a tasty coffee (that the vast majority of people will be very happy with, myself included). The breville is a semi automatic that happens to have a built in grinder. You grind into a portafilter, level, tamp, insert the portafilter and then brew your coffee. Also probably very tasty for most people but with added variables. Both types require maintenance. VERY important maintenance. I had a super automatic (Saeco) for about 15 years until the control unit died and it was discontinued. Very tasty coffee. But I wanted less maintenance (almost none) and don’t ever drink milk based drinks so I was paying for features that I’d never use. So I got a level machine (flair 58), a nice grinder for less than (niche zero) and a nice kettle (fellow ekg pro) for less than what it would’ve cost to replace my super automatic. I control the grind size, the water temperature and the pressure to make my espresso. Morning coffees are now “more work” but I personally enjoy the ritual while recognizing it isn’t for everyone.

Do it! We got a jura super automatic from Seattle coffee gear 15 years ago. It's still kicking out great shots daily.

Just get a Jura. It’s the best full auto machine for the office. I’ve been at the offices of the largest orgs in the world for 25 years and even Jura is like top 5%. No one has semi-autos for public use.

Imo it's Jura or nothing.

My family has espresso machines. My dad is obsessed in the past two decade they have tried at least 6 or 7 different machines upgrading each time. Honestly the Jura fully automatic machines that grind, fill, dispense and eject grounds are the only way to go. Everything else is to much work. Are these machines expensive? Yes. But they make incredible drinks with the least work. You still have to clean the milk system, descale, and empty the water and ground catchers but compared is the rest it is worth it. If I had 3 thousand dollars I would have one of those. But my vertuo will suffice til then