I’d go for a lower-end Jura and a Morning Dream steamer. I have an E8 and recently bought the Dream, absolute game changer. I can now stream milk with virtually no wait time and with little effort. Have no desire to go to cafes anymore.
Now that I have the E8 I would have chosen a cheaper Jura.
Jura E8. I thought my husband was insane when he brought this home. Genuinely makes great coffee.
I neither know or care about the science behind it, but same beans and water as my old coffee maker yet a far superior product.
We’ve had it 3 years and it is used at an absolute minimum 2x a day. I’ve also used it for gatherings of 20 people . The only drawback being only 1 cup can be made at a time.
Great customer service. I have had 2 problems, both my fault, and they responded quickly and fixed my issues.
For example, one time I dropped a piece into the garbage disposal and they replaced it, free. It was a piece that wasn’t sold separately and I noticed the newer models are made so it doesn’t come off.
Yeah. I guess this is the rub.
I dislike unitaskers, but I prefer to have one thing in this particular instance to do its job really well.
If I need to swap out beans I can.
I can in a few minutes wipe the burrs in my grinder and be on my merry way.
My machine is just a fancy boiler than can also push out steam for milk.
- Great for hot chocolate with steamed milk.
- Or quickly boils and dispenses hot water for tea.
If the grinder should need servicing… I can suffer through some pre ground beans for a few days…
And I can always aeropress, drip or use instant when the machine needs a service.
Personal preference.
Things have likely improved in the last decade.
The Jura e8 looks rad.
My brother has a KF8 and I have a Jura E8, and while the KF8 is great, if you don't mind the premium price of a Jura, get an E8. The taste side by side is noticeably better on the E8, with or without milk.
Jura has a 16g max dose. Miele/KitchenAid/Melitta 15g. Gaggia 11g, Delonghi 12g.
I have a semi too and I would never go back to less than 15g dose on a super auto for the serving size alone, then again flavor. I've tried them.
Also no one should pay more than $600usd for a gaggia or at all. They are glorified Philips machines. The steam wand in them (and Delonghi) are under powered, the dose size is too small.
Tom doesn't get into the machines as people think he does. He's spread misinformation too as if Delonghi was paying him. In stead of creating original content he'll remake other old you tube videos.
Chances are you machine is not bad. The larger a puck is with a fine grind the more resistance it has. There's no way the ninja will put out espresso with a 20g fine grind puck. None. My hypothesis anyway. That is where the auto grinder comes in. #1 cause of returns IMHO is from people grinding too finely clogging the machine and having extraction issues. The auto grinder probably helps to stop that by limiting the grind.
My guess is the grinder uses a limited fixed ratio grind setting based on users strength/volume settings. Large latte drinkers would be indifferent to it to poor grind. Latte drinkers with 2 pumps is ninjas target demo. Espresso grinders can either grind for espresso or drip, not both.
You just need to get your feet wet. Get a kf5 or whatever in the insiders pass.for like $600. I have a kf8 and a jura. Not sure if get another jura. Set the machine to the second finest grind, temp low. Then adjust the volume to taste. If you like dark roast try peets espresso forte. Med. Roast Starbucks espresso roast. You just need to get your feet wet. It's great coffee, you save money but not using pods.
89% of the people in this sub are heavy milk drinkers but don't want to admit it. I spent months figuring out why all the "awesome" recommendations like super crema were terrible. Everything is great when it's mixed with 8ounces of milk and syrup Probably like this ninja.
Whirlpool has it. It's like a friends and family discount thing. It came out after I got the kf8. Start a new thread and ask for a insiders pass. You can search for insiders pass too for more information. Jura, KitchenAid/Miele are the best super for black drinks. They have the largest dose size and best grind. You'll get better/larger drinks than the pods even the philips LoR. The KA you can get the best deal on. Espresso needs a fine to extract the nuances under pressure. Most machine will either clog too easily before you get decent espresso or not grind finely enough. Not fine enough with a small dose means weak coffee. If you notice your pods use a fine grind.
I should say the new compact ka machines just came out but people are saying the are the same quality as the full size, same brew unit ect, haven't tried it myself. The kf6-8 are the full size machines.
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