Jura - GIGA 10 (Model #15527)

Lets' be real here, if you spent time in this sub then you saw the negatives about the z10/giga 10 but you chose to ignore them. I am one of the nay sayers. The Jura E4 makes the same espresso as the z10. Lots of people have talked about the joe app being functional but not practical. No coffee phone apps are practical. People in this sub are dumb half the z10 ravers don't want to admit they over spent for little performance over a Miele or Kitchenaid, the others rave about it because its bragging about how much they spent, meanwhile the z10 is half the price in most of europe. 95% of the people in this sub act like they are coffee experts swear by Super Creme and their choice of drink is 11 ounces of milk to 1 oz of espresso on a #5 grind. That isn't coffee. They don't get it any of it. They don't even know how to brew espresso. If it makes you feel better the giga 10 is even worse in terms of cheap plastic. I wanted the two hoppers though. Your post seems more like buyers remorse. If you need help brewing ok espresso all you have to do is set the grinder to the fine setting and watch your ratios. Keep coffee on high strength 1.5oz max for espresso, 4oz max for coffee. If using dark roast keep the temp on low or Med. Hot water will make dark roast harsh.

I mean thats fine, value is realitive. I've got a giga 10 on my counter, it makes ok coffee. Same as the E4 would. I just like to call a spade a spade in terms of Jura's marking and perceived value and why their pricing is the way it is. I got my giga 10 for $2600 maybe when it first came out. I have a kf8 too. Its hard to recommend jura at their current price points.

I am a dark roast black drinker.  After trying them all for 45days looking for the best cup the swiss made machines made better espresso/coffee at slightly larger cup sizes.   For example I usually have great 3oz lungo or 3.5 to 4oz 1:1 Americanos.    The Delonghi machines would clog too easily on finer grind settings which stops them from making any flavorful to my pallet.  I've tried too of them. They all have the same internals.  Only traditional dark roast espresso drinkers agree with me.  If you prefer lattes or more milk than coffee any machine can heat milk for you.  I'm not much of a milk drinker they all made about the same quality of milk foam for me. Pass /fail sort of thing.  I have a giga 10 and kf8 currently, they both offer a other the same espresso.  The difference being jura uses aeration to change the texture to be a little.ore silky which can come off as fake after a while.  The Miele/kitchaids taste more like traditional espresso which does not have aeration.  Don't pay retail for any machine. 

You do if you want a larger size cup or more flavor.  It shows more if you are a black coffee drinker than milk drinker. Larger dose give you the option for a stronger drink. The grind matters too.  The different machines offer different grind quality. A poor ground doesn't extract the coffee as well giving you weaker coffee. For example the Delonghi is a 12g without the 2x but the poor grind really makes it a 10g. Philips limits their grinders at the factory while the saeco and gaggia are ok but still 11g dose. In other words you can brew a larger drink in 1 grind with a machine that had a decent grinder and larger dose.  It's the different between getting a decent 2.2oz lungo from a saeco or using the same ratios with a jura that can yield a decent 3.5-4oz lungo from a 16g jura. Lungo are essentially coffee .  By decent I mean good extraction with balanced flavor, not something lacking or muddy.   The swiss machines have a 15 or 16g dose with the best grinders for a super auto that I've tried.  I'll say this till something changes but you can not beat the KitchenAid machines at $800-$1200.  Cold extraction is a gimmick to get you to pay more for half the flavor and twice the brew time.  As a giga 10 owner I can not imagine spending $4k for a z10 or more than $1k for a Delonghi EE.  if you want a jura you can get them for 30% off after cash back from time to time. Search the sub for detailed.  I'm only on here to cut through the perceived value and high profit margins in these machines. 

Get a jura giga 10. Do decaf whole beans in one (labeled) hopper & regular beans in the second. Clean the milk system once a day.

And even then it does that for you. All I have to do with my Giga 10 is rinse the hose for a few seconds and put those little tablets in the catcher

Daily hose rinser here lol. And I run the milk system cleaner any day I make a milk drink. But it’s still easy.

Few reasons, but the primary are #1 I have buyers remorse, often it's easier to buy the best and know i will be happy, than upgrade in 2 years and take a loss on the old equipment. #2 I returned the jura E8 because the cleaning process of carrying water around was annoying and it didn't balance well so you sometimes spilled water if you were in a rush. I prefer the one touch clean #3 We knew we wanted a second child and having a decaf hopper is a godsend when the wife is pregnant. For what its worth, we love our giga 10 and have not looked back.

Indeed I do. Even getting ready to upgrade my manual setup at some point soon. I run a Jura Giga 10 as my daily driver. I upgraded my grinder to a Mazzer Philos last year, which looks funny next to my De’Longhi Dedica. I want to replace that with a Profitec Pro 800.

Z10 has the same milk system as my Giga 10. It rinses itself after each milk drink and recommends a daily deep clean of the milk system. You just have to rinse the draw hose under the sink. I don’t know many people who actually do it daily. Most just run the deep clean every few days. The deep clean is just putting the bucket under the spouts with the cleaner in it, connecting the tube, and pushing the button. It does the rest. I find it super easy to maintain. The Gaggia is probably going to give you the best quality with the least maintenance if you’re looking for weekly deep cleaning. I don’t think the foam quality will be as good as the Jura but it should still deliver a good drink. Milk temperature is a regular complaint on all superautos. My best advice is to get double-walled glass cups. They keep the drinks hotter longer than ceramic.

I’m a Jura fan but it does come at a high price point, especially if you want iced coffee options. You can do sweet foam on the Z10 and Giga 10 as well. My neighbors have the Eletta and have been very happy with it. If you’re looking for cold options at a lower price than a Jura, I would go with the Eletta.

If you’re between those two get the Jura. TK is not known for consistent quality or customer service. Jura customer service can be hard to get in touch with but I’ve found them to be great once you get them on the phone. I don’t find my Jura to be high maintenance. No, the brew group isn’t easily pulled out for servicing, which is why they recommend you send it in every couple of years. I look at it as an investment because they service the whole thing while it’s in. I’ve started rebuilding older ones for fun, so now I know how to service mine when it needs it. I know a few people that have Juras and, as mentioned, I rebuild them for fun on occasion. I’ve only found mold in one. It was a Micro 90, which seems to be known for that model type but can be remedied by leaving the drip tray out slightly for air flow. My Giga 10 only gets mold in the drip tray if I don’t empty it for a couple of days.

I’ve put a Bezzera Magica (no plumbing) and an Eureka Mignon Specialità in the office kitchen, next to a Jura super automatic. 80% of the staff prefers the Jura, while the rest makes for maybe 20 coffee drinks a day on the Bezzera. It works beautifully, I’d say.

ONLY a JURA for mama!

Completely different set up. The Jura is a super automatic: press one button and it’s makes you a tasty coffee (that the vast majority of people will be very happy with, myself included). The breville is a semi automatic that happens to have a built in grinder. You grind into a portafilter, level, tamp, insert the portafilter and then brew your coffee. Also probably very tasty for most people but with added variables. Both types require maintenance. VERY important maintenance. I had a super automatic (Saeco) for about 15 years until the control unit died and it was discontinued. Very tasty coffee. But I wanted less maintenance (almost none) and don’t ever drink milk based drinks so I was paying for features that I’d never use. So I got a level machine (flair 58), a nice grinder for less than (niche zero) and a nice kettle (fellow ekg pro) for less than what it would’ve cost to replace my super automatic. I control the grind size, the water temperature and the pressure to make my espresso. Morning coffees are now “more work” but I personally enjoy the ritual while recognizing it isn’t for everyone.

Do it! We got a jura super automatic from Seattle coffee gear 15 years ago. It's still kicking out great shots daily.