GIGA 10 (Model #15527)

Just bought it after i had PrimaDonna Elite XP which i sold to get Giga10, only for it to crap on me after 5 months of use.

Lets' be real here, if you spent time in this sub then you saw the negatives about the z10/giga 10 but you chose to ignore them. I am one of the nay sayers. The Jura E4 makes the same espresso as the z10. Lots of people have talked about the joe app being functional but not practical. No coffee phone apps are practical. People in this sub are dumb half the z10 ravers don't want to admit they over spent for little performance over a Miele or Kitchenaid, the others rave about it because its bragging about how much they spent, meanwhile the z10 is half the price in most of europe. 95% of the people in this sub act like they are coffee experts swear by Super Creme and their choice of drink is 11 ounces of milk to 1 oz of espresso on a #5 grind. That isn't coffee. They don't get it any of it. They don't even know how to brew espresso. If it makes you feel better the giga 10 is even worse in terms of cheap plastic. I wanted the two hoppers though. Your post seems more like buyers remorse. If you need help brewing ok espresso all you have to do is set the grinder to the fine setting and watch your ratios. Keep coffee on high strength 1.5oz max for espresso, 4oz max for coffee. If using dark roast keep the temp on low or Med. Hot water will make dark roast harsh.

Your Philips 5500 also has the flat ceramic burr, same as the 800 . A lot of Philips machines have the ceramic flat burr. They are not special and they are quite small. The kitchenaids are quite but the whole machine is insulated for sound. My jura has flat burr ceramic discs, they are not quiet and need a thick towel to muffel them. You want a ceramic flat disc for a certain flavor profile and they tend to stay cleaner. Grinds on a super auto are not that great anyway so I think it would be difficult for anyone to pickup the nuances between a flat disc or conical grinder. The Jura z10 has a conical grinder while the Giga 10 has flat discs for example. The quietness of it is Philips marketing team getting way over their skiis.

Jura has a 16g max dose.  Miele/KitchenAid/Melitta 15g.  Gaggia 11g, Delonghi 12g.   I have a semi too and I would never go back to less than 15g dose on a super auto for the serving size alone, then again flavor. I've tried them.   Also no one should pay more than $600usd for a gaggia or at all.  They are glorified Philips machines. The steam wand in them (and Delonghi) are under powered, the dose size is too small. 

Tom doesn't get into the machines as people think he does.   He's spread misinformation too as if Delonghi was paying him. In stead of creating original content he'll remake other old you tube videos.   Chances are you machine is not bad. The larger a puck is with a fine grind the more resistance it has. There's no way the ninja will put out espresso with a 20g fine grind puck. None. My hypothesis anyway. That is where the auto grinder comes in.  #1 cause of returns IMHO is from people grinding too finely clogging the machine and having extraction issues. The auto grinder probably helps to stop that by limiting the grind. My guess is the grinder uses a limited fixed ratio grind setting based on users strength/volume settings.  Large latte drinkers would be indifferent to it to poor grind.  Latte drinkers with 2 pumps is ninjas target demo. Espresso grinders can either grind for espresso or drip, not both. 

You just need to get your feet wet.  Get a kf5 or whatever in the insiders pass.for like $600. I have a kf8 and a jura.  Not sure if get another jura. Set the machine to the second finest grind, temp low. Then adjust the volume to taste.  If you like dark roast try peets espresso forte. Med. Roast Starbucks espresso roast.    You just need to get your feet wet. It's great coffee, you save money but not using pods.  89% of the people in this sub are heavy milk drinkers but don't want to admit it. I spent months figuring out why all the "awesome" recommendations like super crema were terrible.  Everything is great when it's mixed with 8ounces of milk and syrup Probably like this ninja. 

Whirlpool has it.  It's like a friends and family discount thing.  It came out after I got the kf8. Start a new thread and ask for a insiders pass. You can search for insiders pass too for more information.  Jura, KitchenAid/Miele are the best super for black drinks. They have the largest dose size and best grind. You'll get better/larger drinks than the pods even the philips LoR.  The KA you can get the best deal on. Espresso needs a fine to extract the nuances under pressure. Most machine will either clog too easily before you get decent espresso or not grind finely enough.  Not fine enough with a small dose means weak coffee.  If you notice your pods use a fine grind.    I should say the new compact ka machines just came out but people are saying the are the same quality as the full size, same brew unit ect, haven't tried it myself. The kf6-8 are the full size machines.  

I mean thats fine, value is realitive. I've got a giga 10 on my counter, it makes ok coffee. Same as the E4 would. I just like to call a spade a spade in terms of Jura's marking and perceived value and why their pricing is the way it is. I got my giga 10 for $2600 maybe when it first came out. I have a kf8 too. Its hard to recommend jura at their current price points.

I am a dark roast black drinker.  After trying them all for 45days looking for the best cup the swiss made machines made better espresso/coffee at slightly larger cup sizes.   For example I usually have great 3oz lungo or 3.5 to 4oz 1:1 Americanos.    The Delonghi machines would clog too easily on finer grind settings which stops them from making any flavorful to my pallet.  I've tried too of them. They all have the same internals.  Only traditional dark roast espresso drinkers agree with me.  If you prefer lattes or more milk than coffee any machine can heat milk for you.  I'm not much of a milk drinker they all made about the same quality of milk foam for me. Pass /fail sort of thing.  I have a giga 10 and kf8 currently, they both offer a other the same espresso.  The difference being jura uses aeration to change the texture to be a little.ore silky which can come off as fake after a while.  The Miele/kitchaids taste more like traditional espresso which does not have aeration.  Don't pay retail for any machine. 

Jura Giga 10 and spend the other half of your budget on something else. Super simple, great coffee and lattes, and easy to clean. You customize the drink the way you like with regard to temperature, coffee strength, froth level, etc and then it’s a single tap to make your drink. You’ll have two hoppers for different types of beans or roll with one regular and one decaf. Be sure to get fresh, quality beans. They make all the difference. Find a local coffee shop where you like their coffee and either buy beans from them if they roast them, or find out who they get them from. You can usually get them setup on a subscription.

Jura J8 Twin is fantastic as is the Jura Giga 10. Jura sells a kit for a direct water line, which a plumber would need to install. The difference in these two machines is that the Giga does cold extraction for iced coffee. It is very difficult to beat Jura for milk drinks. I also have the Cool Control for milk. Amazing. Totally worth it! And you will be under budget, but save those savings for maintenance and great coffee. 😉