Something is wrong for sure because my j8 produces wonderful foam and coffee. All my drinks have names below them but different models so that may be. I also don’t think I have the blue light but it’s kinda tucked in between the fridge and microwave so I don’t see the side of the water tank. Minor thing there. Clean the milk frother thoroughly. The smallest obstruction ruins the frothing process. Yes, it’s new. Doesn’t mean something isn’t in there.
Jura j8 twin owner here. That grinder with the decaf in it hasn’t seen much action but I agree that it’s nice to have the option. Worth the money I spent on it just for that convenience? Probably not. Personally I don’t care, I love the machine but if on a budget then I’d find another machine.
I really like the Jura J8. Easy to use, clean, etc.
One thing I will say is that if you plan to drink both espresso based and regular coffee drinks OR you occasionally use decaf it would be advantageous to get the twin hopper.
I think the Jura latte macchiato is my favorite drink the machine makes and it rivals any local cafe’s lattes. I also make iced lattes and those are great too.
Ya I’m in the same situation and would like 2 hoppers. I have the Delonghi Dinamica Plus and it makes great drinks but I mostly drink decaf and my wife drinks regular. I’m tired of using the bypass chute for every drink and I don’t think it uses as many grounds so drinks from the chute are weaker. I’m getting tired of fiddling with it and spending the extra time measuring out scoops of coffee for a quick drink before heading out to work so I’ve looked at the Rivelia and the J8 Twin. Ideally I’d love to get the J8 twin because you can do regular or decaf or even half caff with the touch of a button but I’m having a hard time pulling the trigger since it is so expensive. Just can’t justify spending 3x what I have or the Rivelia. Rivelia seems like the best affordable option but you still have to switch hoppers and have remaining grounds unless you dump and waste the beans.
Those were your words not mine. Its just a matter of research and testing and actually knowing what you are getting. These machines have high profit margins. You are lost in their made up marketing terms and like I said equate high cost to value, that is actually how you perceive value. The E4 makes the exact same espresso as the z10. They both use conical grinders. The E4 probably makes better espresso because the grinder is more adjustable, same brew unit inside. The more money you spend on these machines the more drinks and "features" you get. Some of the features like the PRG on the z10 is utter BS. iut is software driven and allows jura to try to charge more for a "feature" which is not practical in use. With the giga its just the dual hoppers and flat burr grinders (ginder is no big deal), its not rated for higher duty cycle. The z10 was so pose to be a higher fit and finish but its actually cheap plastic. Jura 100% is screwing the pooch in the US and living off their brand name. Go back and read Jura's marketing terms and think about what they actually mean. They are all BS terms made up to add perceived value. The j8 twin is a better machine than the z10, especially if you can live with not having the auto milk frother thing or the cold extraction. Cold extraction is also a gimmick. Its less flavor, and all they do is lower the heat and slow the flow, but it allows jura to charge an extra $500. things like that.
I'm not sure I understand your point about it being plastic or why you are bringing in Kitchenaid or wanting something that works, maybe you are saying that all super autos are plastic now? Most are yes, but that isn't what we were talking about.
The Z series and the giga series prior to the z10 an giga 10 had premium metal finishes. Metal hopper covers, drip trays spouts aluminum shrouds. It was very nice and gave the machine a high end feel, which was the point of Z series, it was the "premium" tier, the fit and finish helped justified the cost. The heavier hopper covers helped with sound reduction too. With the z10 and giga 10, they have increased the price (excluding tariffs), and significantly lowered the fit and finish of the machines for cost cutting and profit maximization.
So in this Main post, the OP is displeased with spending $4k+ on a machine and having it be a gigantic hunk of cheap plastic . It is not the "premium" jura USA is advertising. The j8 twin is a good looking machine.
Jura is 90% perceived value that is for sure, now all the jura owners who can't speak critically of their machines will down vote me. Jura makes good coffee, nothing spectacular, certainly not wroth $4k. The z series used to be "premium" with metal cosmetic parts, but now its just cheap. The only difference between the z10 and the j is ice and the auto switching milk frother. The J series actually makes better coffee because the grinder is a little more adjustable than the egrinder.
These machines just do the labor for you, you still need to learn how to brew espresso which it sounds like you haven't. Super Auto inherent limitations make it easy as you basically go on the finest or 2nd finest grind, all coffee beans all the time, then you adjust the length to taste. The sooner you get past the rage the sooner you'll start to enjoy the machine especially if you are stuck with it.
Coming from Manuel espresso you’re gonna want something that taste similar I assume and to me the only one is JURA. The DEE is easier to operate, but the drink seemed a little weak to me. I would go with a Costco JURAR refurbished J8J8 twin or Z 10.
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