Z10 Aluminium White (NAA)

Kitchen aid KF7 or KF8 I have a Jura Z10 that I would recommend. It’s probably outside your price range, but you could probably get a refurbished one off their site for your range.

Lets' be real here, if you spent time in this sub then you saw the negatives about the z10/giga 10 but you chose to ignore them. I am one of the nay sayers. The Jura E4 makes the same espresso as the z10. Lots of people have talked about the joe app being functional but not practical. No coffee phone apps are practical. People in this sub are dumb half the z10 ravers don't want to admit they over spent for little performance over a Miele or Kitchenaid, the others rave about it because its bragging about how much they spent, meanwhile the z10 is half the price in most of europe. 95% of the people in this sub act like they are coffee experts swear by Super Creme and their choice of drink is 11 ounces of milk to 1 oz of espresso on a #5 grind. That isn't coffee. They don't get it any of it. They don't even know how to brew espresso. If it makes you feel better the giga 10 is even worse in terms of cheap plastic. I wanted the two hoppers though. Your post seems more like buyers remorse. If you need help brewing ok espresso all you have to do is set the grinder to the fine setting and watch your ratios. Keep coffee on high strength 1.5oz max for espresso, 4oz max for coffee. If using dark roast keep the temp on low or Med. Hot water will make dark roast harsh.

People in this sub just group think and most people haven't tried more machines than the one they own. For instance, a lot of people trash the Bosch 800 but I know for a fact it makes espresso as good as a zura z10 as I've tried them both side by side and in fact a few of us thought the Bosch was better and is about $4k cheaper if you get it on sale. I've also tried the top end kitchenaid but not side by side and remembered thinking it's not any better. Point being, I'm not surprised on your analysis here.

Respectfully, it sounds like you’d be better off with a Nespresso. Your complaints are super subjective, which is fine, but Z10 is a hell of a machine and I should know because I’ve owned quite a few machines from this brand. With that being said, there’s no such thing as a perfect machine..

We’ve had good luck with the Jura Z10… no issues so far (knock on wood)

About two years… so keeping fingers crossed 🤞

Ah well if you had two back-to-back then it’s definitely Amazon being Amazon. My espresso machine is a Jura, model Z10.

I had a entry level DeLonghi for like 10 years and it served me well, and I was fully intending on getting another similar one. Then I got a great deal on a Miele ($500 off so low one thousand-ish), then I got a greater deal on my Jura Z10 (ended up paying $2200 after everything). I got to use the Miele and Jura side by side for a few days and decided that Z10 is worth the premium for the milk frothing, which is on a totally different level from the Miele. Miele did make pretty good espresso though. I drink 3-4 shots just about every days, so even with the higher price tag my cost per use is pretty damn low.