Pro Line Series Espresso Maker with Dual Independent Boilers (KES2102OB, 5KES2102, etc.)

I have a Gaggia-made Kitchenaid two-boiler semiautomatic espresso maker. I don't regret having the ability to determine how long I want to pull my espresso shot. With the Gaggia Classic, you have that ability. The Breville and other automatic espresso makers have the length of time for the single and double shots programmed into the machine. I have been making espressos and lattes for a few months now with my refurbished KitchenAid Pro Line espresso maker. I now have a bottomless portafilter, a 22-gram basket, a 30-pound spring-loaded tamper, and a grounds leveler. I wouldn't be able to make full use of these changes with an automatic espresso maker like the Breville.

We aren’t espresso pros by any means but have had the kitchen aid semi auto for almost a year now. It was $700 at the time and I used Rakuten while they had 10% cash back. We love ours. It’s easy to use and sometimes use it 3-4 times a day. Most of our friends have Breville and a few have jura (from Costco). They all seem happy with theirs as well. People do come over and say they like the look of ours better! I was leaning towards Gaggia for some time but recent reviews left me going for kitchen aid.

Your Philips 5500 also has the flat ceramic burr, same as the 800 . A lot of Philips machines have the ceramic flat burr. They are not special and they are quite small. The kitchenaids are quite but the whole machine is insulated for sound. My jura has flat burr ceramic discs, they are not quiet and need a thick towel to muffel them. You want a ceramic flat disc for a certain flavor profile and they tend to stay cleaner. Grinds on a super auto are not that great anyway so I think it would be difficult for anyone to pickup the nuances between a flat disc or conical grinder. The Jura z10 has a conical grinder while the Giga 10 has flat discs for example. The quietness of it is Philips marketing team getting way over their skiis.

Delonghi is 12g and clogs easily.   Try a Miele, KitchenAid or jura if you are really looked for decent espresso from a super auto. 

People in this sub just group think and most people haven't tried more machines than the one they own. For instance, a lot of people trash the Bosch 800 but I know for a fact it makes espresso as good as a zura z10 as I've tried them both side by side and in fact a few of us thought the Bosch was better and is about $4k cheaper if you get it on sale. I've also tried the top end kitchenaid but not side by side and remembered thinking it's not any better. Point being, I'm not surprised on your analysis here.

KitchenAid will make better milk then the jura e series.   The espresso is comparable to jura.  One isnt better than the other. Ka $800-1200

The KitchenAid machines on the insider pass deals is a no braner.  These machines don't appreciate with time. I wrote a long review on them a year ago.  It's 98% adjustable compared to jura being 100%. I think they killed it and 1200 or less a no brainer.  

You do if you want a larger size cup or more flavor.  It shows more if you are a black coffee drinker than milk drinker. Larger dose give you the option for a stronger drink. The grind matters too.  The different machines offer different grind quality. A poor ground doesn't extract the coffee as well giving you weaker coffee. For example the Delonghi is a 12g without the 2x but the poor grind really makes it a 10g. Philips limits their grinders at the factory while the saeco and gaggia are ok but still 11g dose. In other words you can brew a larger drink in 1 grind with a machine that had a decent grinder and larger dose.  It's the different between getting a decent 2.2oz lungo from a saeco or using the same ratios with a jura that can yield a decent 3.5-4oz lungo from a 16g jura. Lungo are essentially coffee .  By decent I mean good extraction with balanced flavor, not something lacking or muddy.   The swiss machines have a 15 or 16g dose with the best grinders for a super auto that I've tried.  I'll say this till something changes but you can not beat the KitchenAid machines at $800-$1200.  Cold extraction is a gimmick to get you to pay more for half the flavor and twice the brew time.  As a giga 10 owner I can not imagine spending $4k for a z10 or more than $1k for a Delonghi EE.  if you want a jura you can get them for 30% off after cash back from time to time. Search the sub for detailed.  I'm only on here to cut through the perceived value and high profit margins in these machines. 

I have a kitchen aid espresso machine and a milk warmer/frother from Amazon and it’s so good. I also have the ninja coffee machine which is great and got from target. Makes small or big batches and has the option to brew it for whenever you set it to.

I had the same dilemma and ultimately went with KitchenAid because it’s from the same factory that makes Jura and I liked the look of it That said, I don’t think there’s a wrong choice here. Both are reliable brands and their machines make solid drinks