La Marzocco - Leva X 1 Group

https://preview.redd.it/i99orcugfh8g1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50740c06066328000afcf4e739e0fb18ee173c43 Hoping the picture would increase my credibility when I say this. Having a La Marzocco in no way saves you money. Between heating the machine, water, maintenance, etc. You'll be lucky to break even after 5-7 years. With that said, it is a single joy of my life; I wake up every day looking forward to pulling a shot. I made a deal with my wife for the next 10 years; she doesn't need to get me anything, no birthday, anniversary, Christmas, etc. Let's say that's a great deal. I'm a picky person to get gifts for, and this saves her and me time and effort. Best of luck with your decision.

I bought one and sold it less than a year. Didn’t like the machine.

Everything… except steam power is stunning.

Espresso and coffee are essentially two different products if that’s what you’re asking. If I’m understanding correctly, the original comment you made is asking why is making espresso better than making coffee? Well one machine makes espresso, while the other makes filter coffee. The LM would be better if you want espresso because it’s the only of the two that actually makes espresso.

Cool looking machines but I could never get good espresso out of mine. Ended up switching to a Pasquini livia, and then kept going until my current La Marzocco. Would have saved me money to start with La Marzocco

There are indeed certain manufacturers that have built a reputation and thrive with brand loyalty. La Marzocco can be considered as a modern day Apple having a cult following. Olympia Cremina is another product which is overpriced despite being a LaPavon in disguise! However a Vantro X1 is definitely different from other prosumer machines like an ECM/Profitec or a QuickMill or a Lelit Mara. I wouldn't compare them. More than flavor it is the durability, reliability and longevity of the parts fitted inside these machines.The thing that is often overlooked is the maintenance involved with espresso machines. I am not talking about the usual grouphead cleaning, decalcifying etc. but replacing gaskets, tubes, springs etc. Modern day machines have too much electronics built into it (chips with software) and they never last. How many times do our laptops/mobiles become non-responsive and need hard reset?! Likewise at some point, the parts (LCD screen, touch sensor etc.) would fail and when you look for repair services, it would be like repairing a budget laptop under 10k. Repairing would cost you the same as a new one or even more! Replacement of parts would be most economical but non-standard parts would be difficult to find. The classic machines are fully mechanical and have only electrical components like diodes, relays etc. The parts of patented E61 machines which first appeared in the market in 1961 are still being produced and are abundantly available. The cool thing is, if you know how to fix a tap in your home, you can easily disassemble the whole machine yourself and replace parts easily with a wrench and screwdriver set. I say this from my experience. These machines are built for easy maintenance and to last another world war unlike those cheap ones out there.

Silvia is great, rocket, la marzocco, lelit, vbm, heaps of great quality ones

A different angle, resale value and repair-ability. I would choose the La Marzocco personally but I'm biased because I fix espresso machines. So the 1k range machines that get brought in, unless it's a simple fix get turned away because the cost to repair is too much for the cost of the machine. On the contrary, I've restored 15-20 year old La Marzoccos. And generally for stubborn customers that insist I fix their ~1k-ish machines, I let them sit in a corner until they get another machine and throw it away. So the takeaway is I likely won't fix those machines when I have 10k-35k machines that need work.

I am obsessed with my la marzocco and I have only had it for 2 days! Worth ever penny

Why should someone buy a La Marzocco, when a Moccamaster can be had for a tenth of the price?

What are the cons of the MM or filter coffee? And we’re both saying the same thing re: car and bicycle. The analogy implied that a Mercedes was the default choice. I’m asking why LM, not MM (why Merc not bicycle).

I agree with you. A pour over setup gives the best coffee and at the best price. It’s my go to. The Moccamaster to me serves a specific function. It’s offers pour over style coffee with little to no effort. So it’s a great machine if you have no time in the morning for a pour over, or at a workplace. I also agree regarding the Gaggia classic in that it provides *similar* value. But I don’t see why you say it provides better value - it retails for ~$450, and involves a lot more effort and skill than the MM. I wouldn’t suggest buying the MM at full retail either, when it can be had for a lot less on sale regularly. But I don’t agree that it’s “overpriced”. It’s relatively more expensive that a coffee maker that costs $70 but I’m not sure if those machines that are 3 times cheaper, offer the same quality, consistency and longevity. So overall, the MM is one of the best value purchases or ‘bang for buck’. I think my primary issue with Espresso makers in general is that they’ve made people believe that barista style espresso is the gold standard and if you want really good coffee at home, then you need an espresso machine. But espresso was invented as a drink not because it made great coffee, but because it saved the barista time. Add pressure to reduce time - it’s a fundamental equation in physics. The espresso then replaced immersion or percolation not because it allowed coffee shops to serve better coffee, but because it allowed them to brew more cups in the same amount of time, and thereby increased profit. It seems to that most espresso enthusiasts have failed to grasp the genesis and objective of espresso.

Agree with this. You still need a good grinder and learn good puck prep but you WILL get consistent shots with the LM.