Miele - CM 6160 MilkPerfection

I love my Miele, for the coffee and for the simplicity. This will give you an idea of the footprint. I had the built-in versions for 20 years and when we moved to a condo we went with the Breville espresso set up but I really missed the ease, convenience and taste of my old coffee. I'm loving the flatwhites because the milk part is so easy. I just keep the milk container in the fridge when not in use. And you do not even need a milk container -- you can use anything with the way this is designed. Maintenance is a breeze. Just have to follow directions and remember that super autos don't like oily beans -- the oil will go rancid in places you cannot reach and your coffee becomes sour and crema disappears. There are excellent beans for this beyond Miele's, I'm leaning into the Lavazza line up now and love the flavour profiles. https://preview.redd.it/zkx9kzqru20g1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e7f082ecc3014278fefe34fcff438d8cc6582fa

I bought it direct from Miele, after hemming and hawing over the colour options. They have a couple of gorgeous black units but my appliances are that soft white (which the white one matches) but I was unclear about the metal tone as the site showed a more goldish hue. We also have a local store that sells them too. We got ours on sale after Christmas, hubby is a Jan 1 baby so this was for his b'day. He's very happy!

Miele milk system does not follow that, rinse and deep clean up are also automatic and a simple push of the button. I store the milk container in the fridge when not in use.

It requires you to add some water, drop a tablet, put the milk head in the drain port ...then push a button. You do have to empty the tray, eventually. The rest of the milk gear goes straight into the dishwasher. If the head needs a wipe then do that. This is not at all laborious. This is the most elegantly simplified machine. And you don't need the milk container because the head and metal tube can be used on their own and just placed in a container of any liquid, like a straw.

Miele Milk system is not as he describes.

I was okay going the online route because I had a long history with the coffee machines already, as well as a lot of other their appliances. I'm partial to Miele for their solid build and elegant engineering.

I've had built in Miele coffee machines since 2005, when I moved to a condo I bought the countertop version in 2025. In two decades the machines were flawless, never having an issue and making exceptional coffee every time. I like all the options these days and in a flat white phase.

Miele has a better cleaning and milk foaming system than Jura.  The e8 is juras economy line. If you are in the US you will get similar performance to the cm6 from the kf8 for $1200 if you are looking to save $$.  Its more user friendly too.  

The kf8 would be more expensive if its there. The miele is a better performer and more feature rich 

Ha, the issue is jura usa nickel and dimes everything . The e8 is like $2300 here. $1300 not eu is a fair price for the e8 considering. Ive never had the e8 but i looked at one for a vacation house. Milk performance was fine, but all things being equal (including price) Miele has more drinks, more convenient  steam cleaning.  Downside is the Miele cm6 no longer offers the americano which is crazy to me. The form factor of the Miele is large and incharge. A big brut style rectangle, and the water tank handle is super flimsy.  Miele  needs to update their machines as id consider them overall dated in style and ux compaired to newer Kitchaid, Melitta and Novina machines that share the same contract manufacturer and base design. 

I knew that I'd never drink espresso in the morning if it didn't involve a press of a button. Bought a Miele super automatic from Costco, and it's been the best. Always keep it clean and perform the proper maintenance. Use filtered water and OEM cleaner from Miele. It's held up for years. Only use medium or light roast non-flavored beans as specified. You're able to specify grind size, amount of coffee and volumes to tailor the espresso drinks to your taste. We use it mostly for espresso, cappuccino, Americano, lattes and lately macchiato. Again with just a push of the button for the most part. The ability to use whole beans or even ground coffee (for coffee) with the Miele saves money. There's often used and new machines on Facebook marketplace. It's a great machine that will hold up until the plastic degrades. Parts can be purchased, albeit from Germany, off of eBay like gaskets. Edit: Also you're not producing plastic waste like a Nespresso or Keurig.

My FIL likely won the Miele in a golf outing and then gifted it to us. We were using a Breville previously and were totally fine with it.

I had a entry level DeLonghi for like 10 years and it served me well, and I was fully intending on getting another similar one. Then I got a great deal on a Miele ($500 off so low one thousand-ish), then I got a greater deal on my Jura Z10 (ended up paying $2200 after everything). I got to use the Miele and Jura side by side for a few days and decided that Z10 is worth the premium for the milk frothing, which is on a totally different level from the Miele. Miele did make pretty good espresso though. I drink 3-4 shots just about every days, so even with the higher price tag my cost per use is pretty damn low.

Our last Miele lasted 13 years, 11,000 shots with 1 repair. Just got our second.

My last miele lasted 13,500 shots. 11 years. When it broke I immediately bought a new one. 14 years sober. I deserve 2 good cappuccinos a day

I bought one and I like it. I think there are two major complaints. First, people don’t find that the milk based drinks are hot enough. If you are used to Starbucks, you’ll agree; however, if you purchased an “classic” latte in a cafe in Italy, you find the temperatures to be more in line with the Miele. I’m not saying liking a hotter drink is wrong, but Miele is not catering to the Starbucks crowd. Second, the machine is very demanding with respect to the cleaning schedule. If it tells you that it needs to be descaled or cleaned, you can’t brew another drink until it is done. That being said, it starts warning you at a hundred drinks before maintenance is required. I’ve had mine for years and when it dies, I’d consider replacing it with another Miele, but I have to say that the Jura J8 looks pretty amazing…

Our old coffee machine's (Mocha Master) boiler broke and Costco had the Miele on sale for $1,600 instead of $2,400 retail. The only thing I recently added was a decent foam maker (one of those metal mug ones with the spinny thing on the bottom) because the Miele milk foam is shit. Edit: That was 7 years ago. Had to do one round of some serious self maintenance (i.e. take it apart, clean everything meticulously, etc.), but otherwise pretty solid experience.

I believe miele, jura and kitchen aid will have same brew unit and capacity. Delonghi is uo there but the brew unit is entirely different, it holds a lot but not the same as those 3. It's all trial and error. One thing that is counterintuitive is don't grind too fine as you will fill up less coffee grind when brewing espresso. When you go too fine, you need to increase grind time to meet that dosage, and that is where superauto kind of lacks on. Yes you do need to go fine enough, but people just crank it to finest setting and jam it.

You are right about that, but i and many people who are used to saeco, prefer the machine brewing twice function so you can get the volume without sacrificing the strength. I will say miele does the best for manual selection of preinfusion, kitchen aid has control while other brands set have preinfusion on by default. End of the day as long the machine works for the person wants it is more important. In my opinion, 14g for espresso and 16g for doppio isn't that noticeable. I do appreciate you input on this niche info

That other subreddit is probably better, but I know I've used a Jura and a Miele and not only do they have a flush-after-steam requirement, but Jura recommended taking the head apart to soak periodically. So maybe a used Miele? Or even consider a Dehlongi because if you look at this one, the milk compartment is a standalone frother: [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/delonghi-magnifica-plus-fully-automatic-espresso-machine-silver/6588879.p?skuId=6588879](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/delonghi-magnifica-plus-fully-automatic-espresso-machine-silver/6588879.p?skuId=6588879)