Miele - CVA 7845 (EAN: 4002516419464)

I've had built in Miele coffee machines since 2005, when I moved to a condo I bought the countertop version in 2025. In two decades the machines were flawless, never having an issue and making exceptional coffee every time. I like all the options these days and in a flat white phase.

I had a entry level DeLonghi for like 10 years and it served me well, and I was fully intending on getting another similar one. Then I got a great deal on a Miele ($500 off so low one thousand-ish), then I got a greater deal on my Jura Z10 (ended up paying $2200 after everything). I got to use the Miele and Jura side by side for a few days and decided that Z10 is worth the premium for the milk frothing, which is on a totally different level from the Miele. Miele did make pretty good espresso though. I drink 3-4 shots just about every days, so even with the higher price tag my cost per use is pretty damn low.

Our last Miele lasted 13 years, 11,000 shots with 1 repair. Just got our second.

My last miele lasted 13,500 shots. 11 years. When it broke I immediately bought a new one. 14 years sober. I deserve 2 good cappuccinos a day

I bought one and I like it. I think there are two major complaints. First, people don’t find that the milk based drinks are hot enough. If you are used to Starbucks, you’ll agree; however, if you purchased an “classic” latte in a cafe in Italy, you find the temperatures to be more in line with the Miele. I’m not saying liking a hotter drink is wrong, but Miele is not catering to the Starbucks crowd. Second, the machine is very demanding with respect to the cleaning schedule. If it tells you that it needs to be descaled or cleaned, you can’t brew another drink until it is done. That being said, it starts warning you at a hundred drinks before maintenance is required. I’ve had mine for years and when it dies, I’d consider replacing it with another Miele, but I have to say that the Jura J8 looks pretty amazing…

Our old coffee machine's (Mocha Master) boiler broke and Costco had the Miele on sale for $1,600 instead of $2,400 retail. The only thing I recently added was a decent foam maker (one of those metal mug ones with the spinny thing on the bottom) because the Miele milk foam is shit. Edit: That was 7 years ago. Had to do one round of some serious self maintenance (i.e. take it apart, clean everything meticulously, etc.), but otherwise pretty solid experience.

I believe miele, jura and kitchen aid will have same brew unit and capacity. Delonghi is uo there but the brew unit is entirely different, it holds a lot but not the same as those 3. It's all trial and error. One thing that is counterintuitive is don't grind too fine as you will fill up less coffee grind when brewing espresso. When you go too fine, you need to increase grind time to meet that dosage, and that is where superauto kind of lacks on. Yes you do need to go fine enough, but people just crank it to finest setting and jam it.

You are right about that, but i and many people who are used to saeco, prefer the machine brewing twice function so you can get the volume without sacrificing the strength. I will say miele does the best for manual selection of preinfusion, kitchen aid has control while other brands set have preinfusion on by default. End of the day as long the machine works for the person wants it is more important. In my opinion, 14g for espresso and 16g for doppio isn't that noticeable. I do appreciate you input on this niche info

That other subreddit is probably better, but I know I've used a Jura and a Miele and not only do they have a flush-after-steam requirement, but Jura recommended taking the head apart to soak periodically. So maybe a used Miele? Or even consider a Dehlongi because if you look at this one, the milk compartment is a standalone frother: [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/delonghi-magnifica-plus-fully-automatic-espresso-machine-silver/6588879.p?skuId=6588879](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/delonghi-magnifica-plus-fully-automatic-espresso-machine-silver/6588879.p?skuId=6588879)

The Breville Barista series is great but depends on your skills. Otherwise, Miele makes super-automatics that do all the hard work for you—just add beans to the machine, insert a tube into a glass of milk, and it spits out your drink.

Siemens, Jura and Miele! Note that som Miele models are just re-wrapped Jura machines. All mechanical items inside of them are Jura made. These machines are recommended due to using ceramic grinders and and real ball bearings, allowing for extensive usage without wearing out. Siemens are easier to do maintenance and repairs on, not using special tools to open and has brewing and grinding assembly as detachable modules. Even the less costly Jura’s are using high-end internal parts, the less pricey models may not have been built in Switzerland though. Jura are more tightly integrated, requiring more skills to repair and not as easy to just replace one specific spare part.