Luxe Café Signature Series 3-in-1 Espresso, Coffee and Cold Brew Machine

No the good ninja is a semi automatic… https://www.costco.ca/ninja-luxe-caf-signature-series-3-in-1-espresso-coffee-and-cold-brew-machine.product.4000311934.html?langId=-24&province=ON&sh=true&nf=true -Digitally choose the coarseness of the grind -Push button to grind -Manually tamp -Insert and push button to make -Frother needs liquid added, but will heat to nice temp with foam and you pour in Comes out perfect every time, had it for a year now.

One of the keys to great Espresso is puck prep. The integrated tamper on the Pro hinders that. Unless you want hot water on tap I'd recommend the 601 Premiere or better still if you use Costco their 655 Signature, in think it's called. That way you can do your puck prep and increase consistency, which I never got from the 701 Pro.

Thanks. Does it tell you how much milk to add to jug ? Also interesting that is froths milk first? The industry standard practice has always been brew first & then steam. The reason you need much higher temps for steam & if you steam first you need to cool down the boiler /thermoblock before you could pull a shot. I wonder how Ninja is cooling down the unit before it pulls the shot ?. Is there any indication that the ABP has dual thermoblocks ? Also have you measured the temp of milk at completion of froth cycle at low, med & high. I wonder if the unit is overheating the milk? This could be reason why so many complaining about thin milk that seperates. I had this issue with 3 Signature 655s & 4 Pro 701s even on low milk was above 175 & above 190 on med & high. I am on my 5th 701 & on low I get milk in 150s. Med is still too hot, the 150s on low makes all the difference

Thanks for the post. All I was finding was media influencers posting video cut edits of their free mschines. I asked everyone of them detailed questions & they ignored me, telling me to go buy the mschine. They made their video, got their free machine & job complete. Time to move into next video of a gifted item. Any case how is milk system worse than luxe pro? It looks the same except I see no jug detector switch with thermister, but instead the steam wand looks more bulbous & looks to have a temp sensor (so in theory one would think it would be better) They appear to use same jug with magnetic wisk. Also regarding the the dosing. So single, double & triple all are done using a single puck with larger doses for each shot, so the brew group can handle a dose over 20g (Jura tops out at 16g). I would have thought ninja worked like cheaper/ entry level supers were a dose is 7 to 10 grams & double = 2 brew cycles (2 pucks) & triple = 3 brew cycles (3 pucks) . If it is able to do variable doses upto & over 27 grams for a triple that would be amazing engineering for their 1st Super

Thanks for the post. All I was finding was media influencers posting video cut edits of their free mschines. I asked everyone of them detailed questions & they ignored me, telling me to go buy the mschine. They made their video, got their free machine & job complete. Time to move into next video of a gifted item. Any case how is milk system worse than luxe pro? It looks the same except I see no jug detector switch with thermister, but instead the steam wand looks more bulbous & looks to have a temp sensor (so in theory one would think it would be better) They appear to use same jug with magnetic wisk. Also regarding the the dosing. So single, double & triple all are done using a single puck with larger doses for each shot, so the brew group can handle a dose over 20g (Jura tops out at 16g). I would have thought ninja worked like cheaper/ entry level supers were a dose is 7 to 10 grams & double = 2 brew cycles (2 pucks) & triple = 3 brew cycles (3 pucks) . If it is able to do variable doses upto & over 27 grams for a triple that would be amazing engineering for their 1st Super

​Looking for someone with BOTH the Ninja Luxe Cafe Pro and the new Auto-Barista Pro for a milk-steaming experiment! ​Hey everyone, ​I’ve been seeing a lot of comments from users mentioning that the milk froth on the new Auto-Barista Pro feels noticeably thinner compared to the original Luxe Cafe Pro. ​In theory, the new machine should be giving us better microfoam since it upgraded to a 4-hole steam wand with a built-in temperature sensor (compared to the single-hole wand and the temperature sensor on the jug detector switch of the original Luxe Pro). ​I have a theory that the new machine might either be injecting too much water (adding weight/diluting the milk) or overheating it, causing the milk structure to break down. ​If anyone here happens to own both machines and is down to do some coffee science, I would love to see a side-by-side test! Here is the testing protocol I'm curious about: ​1. Temperature Check (The Overheating Theory) ​On my original Luxe Pro, I felt like the "Medium" and "High" settings completely overheated the milk, pushing temperatures well into the 180s and 190s. I have to keep it on "Low" just to hit a normal target around 150°F. ​Once milk exceeds 150°F, the proteins start to fall apart, causing the foam to thin out and separate. ​The Test: Run both machines at your usual settings and take an immediate digital thermometer reading of the milk right after the cycle finishes. ​2. Mass/Water Dilution Check (The Steam Quality Theory) ​If the new machine is injecting excessive condensation or wet steam, it'll dilute the milk and ruin the texture. ​The Test: Pour an equal amount of milk into both jugs. Weigh each jug on a gram scale before steaming and record the exact weight. ​Steam the milk, wipe the outside of the jug quickly, and weigh it again after. ​If the final weight increase is significantly higher on the Auto-Barista Pro, it means the machine is pumping excess water from the steam line into your drink. ​If anyone has both units on their counter and is willing to try this out, please let me know your results! It would really help settle whether this thin-froth issue is a calibration bug or a hardware limitation. ​Thanks guys!

Looking for someone with BOTH the Ninja Luxe Cafe Pro and the new Auto-Barista Pro for a milk-steaming experiment! ​Hey everyone, ​I’ve been seeing a lot of comments from users mentioning that the milk froth on the new Auto-Barista Pro feels noticeably thinner compared to the original Luxe Cafe Pro. ​In theory, the new machine should be giving us better microfoam since it upgraded to a 4-hole steam wand with a built-in temperature sensor (compared to the single-hole wand and the temperature sensor on the jug detector switch of the original Luxe Pro). ​I have a theory that the new machine might either be injecting too much water (adding weight/diluting the milk) or overheating it, causing the milk structure to break down. ​If anyone here happens to own both machines and is down to do some coffee science, I would love to see a side-by-side test! Here is the testing protocol I'm curious about: ​1. Temperature Check (The Overheating Theory) ​On my original Luxe Pro, I felt like the "Medium" and "High" settings completely overheated the milk, pushing temperatures well into the 180s and 190s. I have to keep it on "Low" just to hit a normal target around 150°F. ​Once milk exceeds 150°F, the proteins start to fall apart, causing the foam to thin out and separate. ​The Test: Run both machines at your usual settings and take an immediate digital thermometer reading of the milk right after the cycle finishes. ​2. Mass/Water Dilution Check (The Steam Quality Theory) ​If the new machine is injecting excessive condensation or wet steam, it'll dilute the milk and ruin the texture. ​The Test: Pour an equal amount of milk into both jugs. Weigh each jug on a gram scale before steaming and record the exact weight. ​Steam the milk, wipe the outside of the jug quickly, and weigh it again after. ​If the final weight increase is significantly higher on the Auto-Barista Pro, it means the machine is pumping excess water from the steam line into your drink. ​If anyone has both units on their counter and is willing to try this out, please let me know your results! It would really help settle whether this thin-froth issue is a calibration bug or a hardware limitation. ​Thanks guys!

I appreciate all your feedback. I believe you also own a Luxe Cafe? Can you please tell if milk jugs are same size as xl from pro with fill upto 12 oz? In picture the one from ABP looks taller ? Also how do the touch options for milk drink work: cortado, flat white & latte? For Luxe you would set frother to thin from for all three & only vary the amount if milk you pour into to jug (2 oz for Cortado, 5 oz for Flat White & 8 oz for Latte). So what do the buttons actually do ? Its not like a true fully automatic with milk canister with tubes(Jura, Miele, Bosche) or milk system like Delonghi & Philips with milk container having its own spout. These are true "one touch" where milk froth type & volume are dispensed directly into cup.

Thanks. Does it tell you how much milk to add to jug ? Also interesting that is froths milk first? The industry standard practice has always been brew first & then steam. The reason you need much higher temps for steam & if you steam first you need to cool down the boiler /thermoblock before you could pull a shot. I wonder how Ninja is cooling down the unit before it pulls the shot ?. Is there any indication that the ABP has dual thermoblocks ? Also have you measured the temp of milk at completion of froth cycle at low, med & high. I wonder if the unit is overheating the milk? This could be reason why so many complaining about thin milk that seperates. I had this issue with 3 Signature 655s & 4 Pro 701s even on low milk was above 175 & above 190 on med & high. I am on my 5th 701 & on low I get milk in 150s. Med is still too hot, the 150s on low makes all the difference

Thanks for the post. All I was finding was media influencers posting video cut edits of their free mschines. I asked everyone of them detailed questions & they ignored me, telling me to go buy the mschine. They made their video, got their free machine & job complete. Time to move into next video of a gifted item. Any case how is milk system worse than luxe pro? It looks the same except I see no jug detector switch with thermister, but instead the steam wand looks more bulbous & looks to have a temp sensor (so in theory one would think it would be better) They appear to use same jug with magnetic wisk. Also regarding the the dosing. So single, double & triple all are done using a single puck with larger doses for each shot, so the brew group can handle a dose over 20g (Jura tops out at 16g). I would have thought ninja worked like cheaper/ entry level supers were a dose is 7 to 10 grams & double = 2 brew cycles (2 pucks) & triple = 3 brew cycles (3 pucks) . If it is able to do variable doses upto & over 27 grams for a triple that would be amazing engineering for their 1st Super

Thanks for the post. All I was finding was media influencers posting video cut edits of their free mschines. I asked everyone of them detailed questions & they ignored me, telling me to go buy the mschine. They made their video, got their free machine & job complete. Time to move into next video of a gifted item. Any case how is milk system worse than luxe pro? It looks the same except I see no jug detector switch with thermister, but instead the steam wand looks more bulbous & looks to have a temp sensor (so in theory one would think it would be better) They appear to use same jug with magnetic wisk. Also regarding the the dosing. So single, double & triple all are done using a single puck with larger doses for each shot, so the brew group can handle a dose over 20g (Jura tops out at 16g). I would have thought ninja worked like cheaper/ entry level supers were a dose is 7 to 10 grams & double = 2 brew cycles (2 pucks) & triple = 3 brew cycles (3 pucks) . If it is able to do variable doses upto & over 27 grams for a triple that would be amazing engineering for their 1st Super

Thank you so much . This is real world info we are looking for vs the "mile high fly by" highly edited & cut videos my Social Media Whores with their free units. I am most surprised by the milk frothing. One would think 4 hole wand & sensor in tip would make better thin microfoam vs single hole & temp sensor on the jug detector. Are milk pitchers the same size with same internal markings, i noticed they now silk screened cortado on outside for USA like they did on EU versions of Luxe at the 2 oz mark. Curious what do the milk based touch screen options do? A cortado, flat white & latte should all use Thin Froth with only variable being amount of milk that you need to actual pour yourself into the jug (cortado = 2 oz, flat white = 5 oz & latte = 8 oz). So what do the buttons do ? Just tell you how much milk to add to jug. So much for One Touch !

My 701 Luxe Pro has ristretto. Using Strength 1 on Ristretto theoretically = 1:2 the same as Espresso on Strength 3. But switching from one to the other breaks BA. I will be dialed in on One or the other & then when I switch, BA gets its knickers bunched up & tells me to change my grind 2 settings finer. Its one or the other once it is dialed in, but changing it drives BA crazy. They should call it Barista Asinine!

I appreciate all your feedback. For those of you who also own a Luxe Cafe? Can you please tell if milk jugs are same size as xl from pro with fill upto 12 oz? In picture the one from ABP looks taller ? Also how do the touch options for milk drink work: cortado, flat white & latte? For Luxe you would set frother to thin from for all three & only vary the amount if milk you pour into to jug (2 oz for Cortado, 5 oz for Flat White & 8 oz for Latte). So what do the buttons actually do ? Its not like a true fully automatic with milk canister with tubes(Jura, Miele, Bosche) or milk system like Delonghi & Philips with milk container having its own spout. These are true "one touch" where milk froth type & volume are dispensed directly into cup.

​Looking for someone with BOTH the Ninja Luxe Cafe Pro and the new Auto-Barista Pro for a milk-steaming experiment! ​Hey everyone, ​I’ve been seeing a lot of comments from users mentioning that the milk froth on the new Auto-Barista Pro feels noticeably thinner compared to the original Luxe Cafe Pro. ​In theory, the new machine should be giving us better microfoam since it upgraded to a 4-hole steam wand with a built-in temperature sensor (compared to the single-hole wand and the temperature sensor on the jug detector switch of the original Luxe Pro). ​I have a theory that the new machine might either be injecting too much water (adding weight/diluting the milk) or overheating it, causing the milk structure to break down. ​If anyone here happens to own both machines and is down to do some coffee science, I would love to see a side-by-side test! Here is the testing protocol I'm curious about: ​1. Temperature Check (The Overheating Theory) ​On my original Luxe Pro, I felt like the "Medium" and "High" settings completely overheated the milk, pushing temperatures well into the 180s and 190s. I have to keep it on "Low" just to hit a normal target around 150°F. ​Once milk exceeds 150°F, the proteins start to fall apart, causing the foam to thin out and separate. ​The Test: Run both machines at your usual settings and take an immediate digital thermometer reading of the milk right after the cycle finishes. ​2. Mass/Water Dilution Check (The Steam Quality Theory) ​If the new machine is injecting excessive condensation or wet steam, it'll dilute the milk and ruin the texture. ​The Test: Pour an equal amount of milk into both jugs. Weigh each jug on a gram scale before steaming and record the exact weight. ​Steam the milk, wipe the outside of the jug quickly, and weigh it again after. ​If the final weight increase is significantly higher on the Auto-Barista Pro, it means the machine is pumping excess water from the steam line into your drink. ​If anyone has both units on their counter and is willing to try this out, please let me know your results! It would really help settle whether this thin-froth issue is a calibration bug or a hardware limitation. ​Thanks guys!

There are two minis : ES301 available today via all retailers & ninja direct & Comimg Soon :ES350 (Plus). The Plus is the more interesting of the two. I am curious if the 60 step grinder with new BA logic & hopefully better volumetric outputs...on "hot" beverages kills the current 601/655/701s. If that is the case, Ninja might be in trouble with current series. I am also curious to see how the Plus Models Auto Frother works without the magnetic whisk & only a steam wand with temp sensor. The steam wand looks just like the one on the Auto Barista Pro.

Ninja one!! It’s amazing esp in morning because you can leave it and will froth the milk without manually having to do it

I just got the Ninja cafe (not the pro) at costco on sale rn for $450. I completely love it!!! In my opinion, its coffee dummy proof and amazing!!! I tried one of the other machines and went through several bags of beans before I gave up and realized that a machine like this will be easier.  I also want to add, i bought the espresso beans at Starbucks that was the nail in the coffin of my previous machine that I was trying to learn. (Not the Pikes, but the regular) the beans were too oily, they gummed up my grinder. Which is absurd because they are by definition espresso beans. Stick to Illy or Lavazza or something else.