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A manual lever is like driving a stick vs an automatic car. The lever gives you all the control and the best shots I’ve ever had are with profiles only possible on a lever (or very expensive computerized machines). If you are a little adventurous go with a lever machine. Starting with a Flair/Cafelot/LaPavoni/Odyssey will let you learn a lot and make unbeatable extractions. If you don’t need to steam milk then a Flair58 is an excellent choice (I love mine!) and no temperature management like an LP. If a steam wand is important then LaPavoni or Odyssey Argos. If you just want you push a button and get a decent shot easy, then Bambino is for you. And don’t forget there is no good shot without a good grinder.
A La Pavoni Europiccola or Professional could be a good option for you. It will last you a life time, repairs are simple and parts are easily found. Makes traditional espresso and built to last.
I started with a 20 years old LaPavoni Professional. Complemented it with a Flair 2 Pro. My first grinder was a field grind followed by an Eureka MCI until it got complemented by a Kinu M47. Thought about going for a Gaggia classic lately, but I have to admit that I am already pulling awesome shots with my LP…
It’s a lot more convenient than an unpowered lever, just general coolness, and the maintenance story on them is pretty good because there are a ton of parts available, you can break the whole machine down with a wrench, and it’s easy to understand what’s going on.
Noise and simplicity? It’s kind of like driving a stick shift car, there’s probably not any real reason to do it in the modern era, but the physical feedback is quite nice — I usually know how to adjust based on how it feels to pull the shot.
And the other thing to add — there are a ton of them on the secondhand market, and especially in the pre-Bambino days a used La Pavoni was one of the better machine options at a reasonable price point.
The Flair workflow is a pain, especially when making multiple drinks. I have one and a La Pavoni and the Flair only gets travel use. (Edit: Didn’t realize the 58 has a more “normal” workflow than the classic Flair). I bought my mom a Bambino Plus + Sette 5 years ago and she absolutely loves the setup. The machine hits a real sweet spot as a step up from a Nespresso, as the instant heat is EXTREMELY practical for exactly your use case (early morning pre-coffee caffeination), to the point where I’m shocked that nobody has really nailed that in the “step-up” machines. There are better grinder options today, and you have some choices with the machine (you can find a second-hand La Pavoni around that price range, or any of the options you listed). If I were to swap pieces of my setup for my mom’s, I’m fully confident I’d get a similar (or perhaps better) shot out of her machine with my grinder, but the gap between her Sette and my Mignon XL is serious (though the price sweet spot may be somewhere in the middle).
I don't quite agree with your criticism of the Cremina. Sure, it can dip forward, but in the year I've had mine, it's happened only twice, and both times were because I forgot to fill up the tank. As for the machine's heat, it isn't really a problem since it's stable and there's no need to touch it. Plus, it doesn't get nearly as hot as my Elektra MCL or my LaPavoni Professional since the boiler isn't exposed. The Vectis is an interesting machine, and I was considering getting one, but opted out due to a lack of a proven track record and a few issues noted in reviews.
I have a La Pavoni and a Gaggia, here's my take on the differences: * The La Pavoni feels like making artisan coffee, it's really fun and manual but requires a lot of care and attention every single time. Sometimes you're tired, in a hurry, or not in the mood, and you just want coffee, so it's not always ideal. It's like making your own bread: it's fun and awesome and well worth the effort but you sometimes just want to buy sliced bread and not think about it. * The Gaggia (and other electric machines) can be more of a push button - receive coffee type of machine. It's more industrial, it feels more boring and automatic, but it's less hassle and can be more consistent even if you're not paying attention. Both are great to have, the question is what sounds better to yuou: spend attention and time and care when making espresso every time, or just have good coffee without having to fiddle too much? It's less about the end result (the coffee) and more about the process that you want to dedicate to it, how involved do you want it to be.
I have a La Pavoni and it's a simple way of making good espresso, but it does require a lot more attention. You get more control but consistency is your responsibility.
Agreed. We've had the same Pro since 1994. Added 2 EPs for Italy house and Manhattan apartment over the years
I'm using a La Pavoni Professional. Essentially just a boiler, lever, grouphead, steam wand and portafilter. No buttons to fuss around with. Whatever you get, you should probably get an espresso grinder but I think your C3 should be serviceable? (I have one but I've never used it for espresso as of yet)
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