Profitec - MOVE (CM500003-00)

Honestly just think you want reassurance that getting the meticulous is okay 🤣. I have recently been in the same position over the Profitec Move and I couldn’t be happier so if thats what you want get it. You clearly enjoy the nerdy side of things and the repeatability whereas if you spoke to a purist of spring lever machines they would say your crazy, but neither of you would be wrong because both of you like what you like. I hope this helps😁

It has been super consistent for me and handles different roasts well with some tweaks. I also upper the steam temp recently and it's making a big difference for milk drinks. I've ordered a 4 hole wand tip too. Hopefully that gives it more steam capability too. I love my Move since I upgraded from a heavily modified Gagfia classic with PID and opv mods.

I was in the same boat recently. Looking at the Go and the Pop Up. Went with the Profitec Move in the end and I’m glad I did. I like the look of the machine and the dual boiler is definitely a good upgrade. I really appreciated it over the holidays with family visiting and making many back to back milk drinks each morning.

I had a Breville duo temp pro for the last 8 years. In the end I thought about what I really wanted from a new machine and workflow improvements were really important. The dual boiler definitely has been a massive improvement and it no longer takes forever to make back to back milk drinks. I’m using a DF64 for my grinder right now which I got a year or so ago.

Profitec Move is a no-brainer in that price range. Such a great machine.

Not OP, but in the same line of work. I recently got a Profitec Move and absolutely love it.

I have Move + AGS combo and can't see a need to ever replace either. As someone who doesn't want a traditional E61 machine, doesn't care about profiling, and isn't fussed about plumbing the machine in, I don't think there's any *better* machines out right now (edit; Arkel Tide/Coast come to mind). It looks great, has fantastic build quality, is easy to use, super consistent. A slightly larger steam boiler would've been nice, but I can still pump out back-to-back coffees without an issue - by the time you've prepped & pulled another shot, the steam boiler has easily recovered. I do wish it had a rotary pump option because they're *so quiet,* but it's one of the quieter vibe pump machines I've used anyway. I use a Sync 2 at work, and for *my personal use* it does nothing better enough to justify costing 50% more. Sure looks pretty though.

They're both fantastic machines, but the only reasons to pick the Ascaso over the Move are the faster heat up, cheaper initial outlay, and better energy efficiency. The Move is otherwise a little better all round.

I have a HX at home, as well as access to multiple DB & HX (some including PIDs) at work, and to be honest I can pump out back-to-back coffees from any of them that are indistinguishable from each other. With that said, HX requires a little more finessing and familiarity, and if you're already looking at that price point, I would personally take a DB. Profitec Move will probably be my next (and hopefully last) machine, when I can convince myself it's worth the upgrade - it won't be, but it'll look nicer and heat up quicker. I don't think there's much in the way of grinders matching a machine, other than aesthetically. Personally I love grind by weight and wouldn't be without it, the convenience factor is phenomenal, especially if anyone else is going to use the machine and they're not so invested in learning everything. Can confirm that Lelit parts are harder to get here now - probably 1/3 of parts availability has dropped since their acquisition. With that said there's still a lot of overlap and all the common parts are still available, it's not a *huge* issue - still disappointing though.

I was so close to backing the Meraki, but was worried about the longevity of components and repairability, too much going on internally makes them annoying to work on. Probably a little over budget, but if a similar workflow is your aim, I'd be looking for a GBW grinder (Libra, AllGround Sense) and a Profitec Move. The Ascaso Steel Duo is pretty cool too, as already mentioned.

I purchased a Move, coming from an older HX - wouldn't go back to HX. The temperature stability is phenomenal. No mucking around with cooling flushes etc. Current gen HX with PID (like the Rocket) are much better, but still not the same. Steam power being 'bad' is a bit overstated I think. It's not a steaming beast like the Rocket, but I've done 6 milk drinks back-to-back without issues. The time to prep & pull more shots is enough for the steam boiler to recover. A 4 hole steam tip cuts steaming time in half as well - it was too quick for other household members, so I'm happy enough back on the 2 hole tip. I can't see Profitec not supporting the Move indefinitely - it's a super popular machine, and the Pro 300 - which the Move replaces - is 10 years old and still has great parts availability.

Received mine recently and it's a joy to use. Doesn't quite suit the E61 aesthetic OP is going for though.

Sorry to hear you have had so much trouble with the Elizabeth. I haven’t had any issues with mine for 2 years now, making 2-5 cappuccinos a day. When it starts leaking I guess things break quickly. Profitec Move has similar features to the Elizabeth and is probably better built. A bit more expensive though.

Aside from space it takes up I don’t see any reason why the MOVE would be not directly better than the GO. It’s a dual boiler which is objectively better and it has a bit more tech behind it. Real nice furniture to it too. Aside from space (which isn’t a con for most people as long as they have counter space) I’d like to hear why you think it isn’t a direct upgrade from the GO.

Those first two are incredibly irrelevant as they’re specific to people who are either energy conscious or have limited counter-space. Also, 2-4 minutes can be mitigated by flushing the system with hot water or using the MOVE’s internal timer feature for heating up. And all of that is still mitigated by the fact it’s a dual boiler and has more tech. Being able to produce your milk and shot at the same allows neither the milk nor the shot to decrease in quality by sitting. This alone makes a dual boiler superior by far.

Getting a dual boiler is irrelevant to those who don’t drink milk drinks - you’re absolutely right. But people who drink shots only are a minority to milk drinkers. Most espresso drinkers partake in milk drinks. Otherwise you’d see a ton more shops offering single-origin espresso shots instead of only milk drinks. Nah you don’t need to get worked up, I was just trying to see your rational behind a cheaper single-boiler being at the same level of a higher quality dual boiler. Your only rationale are two pieces that only matter to those trying to save money on their electric bill or those with a small kitchen. Which is very niche and irrelevant to most people. And the 2-4 minute heat-up time which can be mitigated. But I don’t want tensions to rise anymore, so I’ll personally call it there

As someone who just made the switch, and I only make 1-2 milk drinks a day. The dual boiler is just a much nicer workflow. It's also more consistent. As changing from pulling to steam and back with the single boiler allows for variances in the water temp. As well as smaller things like, you use more water, weaker steaming, longer drink making times. I got by with my profitec GO no problem, but now I have the Profitec MOVE, I would never go back to a single boiler. If you're anything like me and you think you'll get the itch to upgrade again, you're better off just going dual now and saving yourself some money in the long run.

Profitec Move is solid and consistent, great for home use, go for ECM/Pro 700 only if you really want fully programmable shots.

It's a beast. Do it. 

Depends on your price range. Gaggia has lots of fans and starts about $500. I own a Profitec Move but that’s a tad more than the Brevelles at $2200. Truly the Bambino range with a separate grinder is the way to go on the cheap. Something to keep in mind the grinder is way more important than the espresso Machine. A decent grinder starts at $300 like a D54 unless you get a hand grinder then a 99 dollar Kingrinder is a great starter. I truly recommend separating the grinder from the machine. If something goes wrong or you want to upgrade you can do one at a time. And the built in grinder is extremely mediocre.