Quick Mill - Vetrano 2B Evo (Product ID: 0995P-EVOLED)

Consider this and the link to "choosing an espresso machine rationally" [https://www.home-barista.com/advice/izzo-alex-duetto-iv-4-year-review-t102661.html](https://www.home-barista.com/advice/izzo-alex-duetto-iv-4-year-review-t102661.html) Plus, you have to get a good to excellent grinder. Another rabbit hole for you. As important or more so. I have a Quick Mill Vetrano. My first one lasted almost 20 years. Another great unit that doesn’t get enough chatter on these forums is the. Izzo Alex Duetto. It’s a tried and true built like a tank. I had the Bianca for a couple weeks. It felt flimsy to me. So I exchanged it for the Vetrano 2B Evo. Chris Coffee has a one month return policy they honored with zero friction. Mark over there is a really good advisor. Their customer support is next level. So keep in mind the Vendor you are buying from. And think about what water you will be using. I agree with this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3-ixio7fSg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3-ixio7fSg) and to me flow control adds unncecessary complexity. Beans and grinder way more important Maybe a Quick Mill Silvano with thermoblock for steam will fill the bill. Get an excellent grinder. I have a Niche Zero and an old Mazzer Mini. Another plug for Chris Coffee

Consider this and the link to "choosing an espresso machine rationally" [https://www.home-barista.com/advice/izzo-alex-duetto-iv-4-year-review-t102661.html](https://www.home-barista.com/advice/izzo-alex-duetto-iv-4-year-review-t102661.html) Plus, you have to get a good to excellent grinder. Another rabbit hole for you. As important or more so. I have a Quick Mill Vetrano. My first one lasted almost 20 years. Another great unit that doesn’t get enough chatter on these forums is the. Izzo Alex Duetto. It’s a tried and true built like a tank. I had the Bianca for a couple weeks. It felt flimsy to me. So I exchanged it for the Vetrano 2B Evo. Chris Coffee has a one month return policy they honored with zero friction. Mark over there is a really good advisor. Their customer support is next level. So keep in mind the Vendor you are buying from. And think about what water you will be using. I agree with this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3-ixio7fSg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3-ixio7fSg) and to me flow control adds unncecessary complexity. Beans and grinder way more important Maybe a Quick Mill Silvano with thermoblock for steam will fill the bill. Get an excellent grinder. I have a Niche Zero and an old Mazzer Mini. Another plug for Chris Coffee

I agree that flow control is over rated. May be added complexity and something else to repair. I found the Bianca to seem flimsy compared to my Quick Mill Vetrano, so I returned it and got the Vetrano again after my original needed some big repairs. It lasted twenty years. The drip tray on the San Remo looks small. Make sure you buy from a vendor that will back you up when you need support. Thats why I stuck with Chris Coffee. The home-barista forum is another good resource. Maybe call Chris Coffee and the other popular dealers that pop up and talk to them. It really pays to have conversations with knowledgeable sales people even if they are selling you their stuff. They know what their customers like and what models give their tech teams the headaches. Over at home-barista they love the Izzo Alex Duetto.

I had original HX Vetrano and it was great for 18 years. when it finally needed a costly repair It was replaced with the Vetrano Evo2B. but an HX worked perfectly and maybe cheaper and smaller.

I’ve had my Quick Mill Vetrano double boiler machine for around 15yrs now and it was the best investment I’ve ever made! Go to the Chris Coffee website and they have many options to suit and are awesome to deal with 

\> I don't have a good explanation as for why - better temp stability? but I have used a group thermometer on my E61 and it is stable. Rotary pump (on LM) vs vibe pump - again, this shouldn't make a difference in theory. I switched from a Quick Mill Silvano (vibe) to a Quick Mill Vetrano (rotary), same grinder, same setup, everything, and the coffee is better with the same technique in the Vetrano. With new coffees I tend to dial fineness down and then back up again and I believe, although it could be placebo because it's just so much quieter, that the Vetrano's pump provides more force. This might translate to better performance under normal conditions. Maybe it's steadier with more grind options? There could be more mass (heat) in the Vetrano, too. I'm not sure what it could be. I'm just sharing.

Why are focused on Diletta when there are so many other similar machines available? For a very similar machine sold by dealers on the East coast, consider Profitec Ride (Whole Latte Love) or Quick Mill QM67 (Chris Coffee). Both are priced similar to the Diletta and are available with flow control. For a moderate price increase over the Diletta (but much less than LMLM), you could get Lelit Bianca, Profitec Drive, Quick Mill Vetrano, ECM Synchronika II (my favorite), as well as many others, all of which come with flow control standard or optional. All of these have rotary pumps, which make the machines much quieter and more pleasant to use, as well as allowing them to be plumbed in. If you want flow control, then Linea Mini makes no sense since it is a flat 9 bar machine. But if you have your heart set on La Marzocco, the Micra makes more sense than the Mini for most home users. Please take a deep breath and do more research before you dive in.

Chris Coffee for Quick Mill, they are great! Clive Coffee for Profitec. Clive also sells Lucca Tempo which is rebranded Pop Up.

I say spend $3K on a double boiler, rotary pump e61 machine like the Ventano and then go hog wild on a grinder like the Compak PK 100 Single Dose.

I'm very pleased with my Profitec, I've had it about a year after 8 years with a Quick Mill E61, which was also an excellent, reliable machine. I like E61 machines for their abundant availability on parts. I can even get them locally! So I would skip the Profitec Move myself, and also don't think the ECM is worth the price premium. So there you go, **Profitec Drive.**

I have an Italian made completely stainless steel Quick Mill machine for the last 20 years no complaints with mine

I started out with a Quick Mill, but quickly found that machines using the E61 brew group are a class apart. I have been using a pre-owned Isomac Millennium together with a Bezzerra BZ05 coffeegrinder for at least 7 years now, love them both :-)