TK-02

I don't think you actually what I am saying, since you proved part of my point already. They don't know how to use the machines, they don't know the limitations or how to maximize. I owned a TK02 and it was terrible at making coffee then again espresso. Why is a coffee roaster testing their own coffee? Why would someone used to a semi auto, and hopefully have a nuanced taste for espresso blindly write a review of super autos? Conversely, why not have someone who has no experience using a espresso machine review the SanRemo YOU espresso machine? **T**he article did not mention anything about how the machines were adjusted and why are they using specialty coffee? it is awfully specific and quite odd.

Ahh no you are really stretching for that one.  Those coffees are so light they might as well be cups of milk.  The average consumer gets frustrated with the machines and return them.  I had a tk02.  It is not a espresso machine yet rated #2 here.   Someone else just posted alot of good points on why this article was completely staged.   But hey if you think this article was completely unbiased you are their demo, not me. 

You can if you tried it.  Not about being a snob as super autos a lower quality anyway but you can taste the difference in the grind and dose size after the ratios are adjusted.   The z10s are a waste but a 15g KitchenAid/Miele or 16g jura on sale is a good deal. No one should pay more than $500 for a Philips.  The new kf seem to be a bargain. 

You know I couldn't put my finger on why in the world they would use light roast for this test. I think you put your finger on it. Do you see how light those coffee's are? How do you review a coffee machine when there is no coffee in your cup? The whole thing was bazar.

I did.  Coffeeness drives me nuts with their top level "reviews".  Not one puck pic.  It looks look there's a high chance of it being identical.  You are right though will need to weigh the pucks. The instructions didn't give any hints. They could have modified it to take a few more grams but I wouldn't count on the marketing along. 

It's not a traditional inside part like a car engine.   It makes sense when you look at the old part and realize that women take it out and wash it And used to have to live it.   Look at the handle it's now super user friendly and say I'm the handle you can grab me. They also no longer need to lube it.  They updated it to make it less technical.   Tooling wise most of the parts are the same so little cost big perceived impact.   Otherwise I'd agree with you.  Well see though. 

We had a Jura and I loved it until it stopped working and I couldn’t find anyone to fix it. My husband surprised me for Christmas with a Terra Kafe and, as much as I thought I liked that Jura, the TK is by *FAR* a better cup of coffee. Don’t even get me started on my new love affair with the flat white.

I’m SUPER happy with the TK. I do believe it is the TK-02. I completely agree that there is a lot of real time maintenance (emptying this and filling that) and I’m not incredibly pleased with the shallow water tray that I have to carry about 10 feet to the sink, but the coffees it produces are better than anything I’ve had at home and I’d say at very minimum on par with the better quarter of what I’ve had at local coffee shops. I’ve sworn off KitchenAid products. I’m a baker and have a love hate relationship with my long list of mixers that I’ve had and a couple of years ago, my 48” wide 13 month old refrigerator leaked on my new hardwood floors causing them to buckle. $1700 to fix. We didn’t. We just disconnected the water and decided to save for a Sub Zero, which again, we didn’t. Lol. But I get pissed about that floor every single day. My fault a bit in that there is a runner in front of the fridge so I didn’t see the leak until it was already buckled. But I’m happy for you that it is working out!

TK-02 and you’ll never look back.

Your first sentence is your problem. They do have frictionless marking.  You can search the sub for tk feedback there are employees on here that will hype the brand.  If you prefer weaker drinks it could be just fine for you (I had the tk02). It can't compete with a KitchenAid kf6 for $800. Delonghi will offer 3 year warranty this time of year too

The feedback on their website is highly curated.  You should contact them and see what the coffee dose size is.  The thing about the smaller machines is you have a smaller dose.  The smaller dose means smaller drinks. Tk02 has a poor grind which meant weak drinks even with a 15g dose. The other thing about smaller machines is they have smaller Water tank and drink tray capacity so they need a lot more hands on. What other machines have you looked at?  You can get gaggia refurbs around $500.  

The gaggia is the same as your philips, it can grind a little finer and give you a bit of a better cup but it's not like getting a full size jura. Your space restriction is hamstringing a real upgrade. You'll see a big difference with a 15/16g dose machine. The TK will be a downgrade if not a side step from the Philips guaranteed.   The Ena will be a bit of a upgrade the grind is better. The jura won't bug you more than any other machine. If you can change the size restriction you'll see a big bump up in the kf6 for $800. There's the jura e4 or e6. 

Here is why this editorial sucks. It was blatantly geared toward showing off the brand new Philips machine, adn the TK02. I wouldn't be surprised if they contacted TK02 and said "hey how about a possible second place?". A few things about myself, i was a internet retailer for 20 years and I've done all this stuff in the past either directly or indirectly via online marketing firms. I've also spent a absurd about of time with most of the major brands Including the Tk02, although not the current philips model. I want you to take notice on how there was no mention of dose sizes, grind size or ratios in the Wired piece. The machines were not adjusted to compare apples to apples. SHAME SHAME Wired. Also, Lets keep and eye out and see if we can spot the Marketeers pumping the piece in here. My belief is 1) they are all just totally inept and do not know how to use these machines maybe even said f it we'll take your money ( I would not put it past Wired given their decline) or 2. The test was specifically designed to showcase the philips machine by using specialty roast. My points are below. 1. Specialty roast is naturally acid. You grind it on very coase settings otherwise more acid would be extracted. Depending on the beans you need a high torque motor to grind them better. Super automatics naturally have limitations, the grind quality is a major differentiator between the brands. Why in the world would Wired choose to use a specialty coffee roaster in the UK as a tester? The Philips machines and the Tk02 have supper shitty grinders. Why do I mean by that? They don't grind fine enough to get anything that resembles a espresso. TK02 is also available for sale now in the UK. ***So what Wired did by using a Specialty Coffee bean as a test in this article was basically flipped the performance order upside down. The machines that brew better espresso Jura now come in last and the machines which the poorer grinders Philips and the TK-02 now come in first and second.*** What a coincidence. 2. Now all of the machines rated last in this totally, 100%, unbiased editorial, could be have simply been adjusted to a more coarse grind and smaller dose size to match the grind limitations of the Philips and the TK02. They were not. The TK02 and Philips can not be adjusted to make as good coffee as the jura. They either did not know how to set the machines or intentionally choose not. You tell me. Wired might as well be considered a tabloid at this point. I agree with another poster that this is 100% for SEO and affiliate links and the testing was so blatantly skewed I don;'t see how this was not paid. It may not have been but Wired does take payment for advertising, I find their choice of machines sus, but I'm not going to dig into their site disclosures. The testing wreaks of it anyway. Down vote me if you are a marketer or TK employee using yet another fake account. 

So you agree with the Wired piecie 100% and see no bias or anything off about it? The OP noticed there was something weird about it. I give you my thoughts and reasoning, and instead of adding to the conversation you decide to try and discredit me specifically, and no one else? My post was the last post on here. You do that while having a blocked history too? If you are in marketing as you say, and do not know about "astroturfing" on reddit and other social media, or using influencers then you have a lot to learn. I've seen campaigns unfold in minutes to the point that Reddit is turning into X in terms of the bots and fake content. That has nothing to do with that Wired piece though. People are welcome to buy any machine they like, the only thing I hate is deceitfulness that misleads people. People should be critical of what they see online, including my commits.

You are right, I don't want my reddit experience to be laden with ingenious posts from people/bots trying to sway public opinion to buy their products blindly.  I think it's wrong. Ive seen it first hand get worse over the past teo years     Your earlier post implied I was paranoid and that social media marketing didn't exist.   Now you seem to be fully aware of it, which is great we could have just avoided that side step.  It is a boiling point for me as, like you have said, there are marketeers not so thinly veiled postings.  It's great that you are ok with it.  people are welcome to post whatever they want.  I'm not blocking anyone from anything. You seem to be able to participate just fine. I have no veto rights, I'm just a guy looking for the next better coffee machine and if any of the companies has a pro over the other I, like anyone else may chime in to give two cents. People are welcome to take that or leave it.  Thank your for your 100% anonymous feedback.  I do also find it sus that most of the spamming comes from blocked accounts. feel free to go through my comments to find examples of where I could do better. There is always room for improvement and I'll admit I can be flippant at times.  That doesn't change the fact that anyone can address any of my logic directly. 

Promise not a KA bot - as someone who made over 3500 cups with the TK01 and then upgraded to the TK-02. My recommendation is the KF7. Got it back in November and really loving it. For whatever reason could not dial in TK2 as I would like compared to the 01. Regret trading the 01 in, but really do enjoy the KF7.