Apple - Watch Ultra 2

Apple Watch, using WorkOutDoors for the run itself and then looking at them afterwards in Strava and Tempo. I found my S7 watch was fine for marathon distance as long as I enabled low power mode for the runs, but when the battery health went down to 80% I decided to upgrade to an Apple Watch Ultra 2.

AWU2. Then just use it for swimming and running. Use your bike computer for riding (with cell phone in jersey). Race with Garmin.

I have Garmin and AW ultra 2 and I prefer the AWU2 for gym stuff in combination with the app "stronger." Garmin is the best watch for ultra endurance events or serious endurance athletes, although AWU can be acceptable for that as well. Battery life on top garmins is the killer feature and Garmin connect has a lot of features for endurance athletes.

I've been trying to figure out exactly this right now.... Here's some info which may help. I have an Apple Ultra 2 and that is my everyday smartwatch. It works OK for run run tracking and there's a pretty good app for surf tracking. I just recently tried it with swim and it's OK. The auto sets feature (e.g. recognizing 4 laps as a 100) is pretty reliable, but I don't think that the automatic split times are especially accurate. HR is somewhat accurate. I've tried both the built-in workouts app as well as the [swim.com](http://swim.com) app and although the latter is generally better for "real" swimming it doesn't really fit with my training workflow which involves transferring workouts to Training Peaks. I also wear prescription goggles (-3.0) and find the display very difficult to read in certain scenarios, especially when the screen dims. Some of the data fields are ridiculously small and there is no way to change them. I also have a couple of Garmin devices (Forerunner 955 and Epix gen 2) and for the sake of this discussion both are the same with the exception of the screen technology. The Epix is AMOLED and objectively "better" but the 955 is so much easier to read at the pool. Garmin's auto rest feature (automatic lap/set vs rest feature) is almost good. The issue is that the motion detection is way too sensitive so if I move my arm at all during rest it thinks I'm still swimming. The algorithm also has trouble with rests shorter than 20s so it's common to see workout sets recorded as one big swim blob with some periods of no movement sprinkled in. HR accuracy is similar to apple... at least it was similar for the few times that I wore both to compare. I think that I've settled on wearing the 955 for swimming in the manual mode where I have to press the lap button at the start end end of each rest period. This gives me the most accurate representation of what I did for that session along with pace and HR data that makes sense within the context of the workout. The display is super-easy to read and gives me the information that I need in the pool. The transfer to Training Peaks is seamless and everything appears to be working well at this point. At some point I'm sure I'll stop caring about the exact structure of the workout that I did and just use the watch to record the whole thing. It is possible to pre-build workouts in both platforms and there are virtual coaching products that work with both. I never investigated what's available as I have a human coach who takes care of dictating my daily torture. I will say that having the watch execute the workout isn't all it's cracked up to be. Neither platform is especially good about providing visibility into what is coming up and in some cases barely conveys what you're supposed to be doing right now. If the watch messes up with counting laps then it could put you into a rest period at the wrong time and generally get you out of place in your workout. In some cases it's extremely difficult to go back and repeat a section of a workout. I've gone back to the post-it note stuck to my water bottle as the high-tech way of bringing my workout to the pool. With the workout transcribed in pencil and a rubber band as a safety it's pretty much fool proof.

I went through exactly the same scenario recently. Here's the brief version of what I found. Apple Watch Alone: Does an excellent job of recording sessions, but the data display during the workout is limited and doesn't include some fields I want. Personally I found the display slightly difficult to read. It was also quite frustrating that when transferred to Training Peaks the workout was broken up into 25yd pool lengths rather than the actual sets I swam. Apple + swim.com: This one works really well. I'm still not thrilled with the data display, but it is more useful than AW alone. Recording accuracy is excellent. The only issue that I had was the quality of the downloaded data into Training Peaks. No matter how I did it (and I took a number of different approaches) the HR data was wonky. Garmin (I'm using the 955, but they're all essentially the same): Data display is fully customizable so I can show exactly what I want and the rest timer display is useful. Note that the 955 has the older MIP display rather than the AMOLED that is all the rage now. The MIP is absolutely my preference as it is far easier to read in/at the pool and the rest timer screen is much clearer. Data transfer to Training Peaks is perfect. I don't use the auto-set feature on Garmin as it is far too sensitive of motion during rest, plus it's really unreliable if the rest interval is less than 20s (which most of mine are). I had one session where a descending set of 100s was recorded as one 800 since the rest was only about 15sec between. Now I have auto-lap off and hit the lap button when I push off at the start of a lap and again when I touch the wall at the end to start the rest timer. The watch does an excellent job of recording pool lengths and overall lap distance. I started out by trying to program the workout into the watch and then have the watch run it, but this proved to be cumbersome. First off, there's no truly clean way to get my coach's workout into the watch directly so there was always some manual intervention required. Second, if the watch mis-counted something or I needed to re-start a set the process was extremely frustrating in the pool. Now I just write the workout on a post-it with pencil and stick that to my water bottle. I just use the watch to record the workout. I'm currently using the Garmin to record swim workouts and it's working very well for me.

It’s OK, but the workout builder is kind of cumbersome to use. Lots of tapping, then turning dials, then tapping. Just a poorly conceived user interface. The issue I have with all of them is that you become a slave to the watch in the pool. Need an extra 10s rest? Well you had better hurry up and pause the watch because if you let it get into the next interval then it’s a total pain to back up. I had one workout where it was a series of 25yd sprints with short rest in between. The Apple Watch got totally confused and double-counted laps so it was having me finish the set in half the time. There was no easy way to get out of that so I ended up pausing the watch and finishing the set without recording. It’s so much easier just to write the workout down and let the watch record it. Plus I find that the act of writing it down commits it to memory. I’ve settled on Garmin as it just works better with Training Peaks and that’s a key feature for me. I do wish it was smarter about auto-lap but it has been 100% accurate hitting the lap button after every lap. To be clear when I say lap I don’t mean length of the pool I mean collection of lengths (eg 50s, 100s, etc)

I would keep the AWU you already have for running and workouts and add a Series 10 (titanium is my preference) for daily use and sleep tracking. I’ve always kept either two Apple Watches (one old one and current one) or and Apple Watch and Garmin and never have any battery issues. One watch is always charging. Apple makes it so easy to switch between watches and resale values are so low it makes sense to always hang on to an old one.

Also, I think the AWU coupled with a Nike Sport Loop makes the weight/bulkiness of the AWU more tolerable. But the S10 titanium is perfect for daily wear (except that it lacks the Modular Ultra watch face, which is the best watch face Apple has designed IMHO).

I hope it works out for you. I’m currently using a S10 titanium with a refurb AWU 2 (trying to replace my Garmin 965) and it’s a great combination. I’ve had a S7 graphite as my primary watch in the past but the redesign of the S10 is much better than the written specs would leave you to believe. Good luck.

What killed my desire for AWU2 after using it for 3 weeks is complete lack of central overview of metrics... AWU2 lags behind Garmin in terms of what you can see on the watch and Apple Health became just a hub to upsell you other apps.. If Apple Health actually owned all the metrics I would have stayed with it as sensors are superb to anything else...

OP already has iphone. and there's nothing comparable to crapple watch especially higher end ones, but even cheap is superior to what else is out there. the only exception is if OP only needs a "fitness band" as in a thing that has a battery life of 2+ weeks and only tracks steps/basic sleeping etc, in that case I'd recommend any recent xiaomi band, like v8 or v9. i've used those before switching to apple watch, and real battery life is really close to 2 weeks, especially if all you do is fitness tracking with it (i.e. no continous notifications of useless shit from phone etc).

for me it was nfc/felica support and ability to track running/walking offline (has its own gps). i've disabled every other feature (notifications from apps etc) as I never used that on xiaomi either. also I don't charge mine every 18 hours, i throw it on the charger during shower for 10-15 mins and that's enough to keep it mostly charged (i have ultra2)

The WatchOS 11 sleep tracking is the best of any consumer wearable. Oura 3 (and hopefully 4) is very close. Fitbit/Garmin are a step down from both of those with Polar, Coros and others even further away. Heart Rate tracking is by far the best on Apple Watch (both resting and during fitness activities) with Garmin, Polar, and Coros being fairly close. Oura is very accurate with heart rate when at rest, mostly accurate when moving with daily activities, and only fair to poor when doing cardio exercise. O2 monitoring is good on Oura, and unavailable in the USA (for now, there are rumors of a pending settlement now that the company that sued Apple for the O2 tech has fired their CEO and founder) on Apple Watch. Both are similar. Temp monitoring is good on Oura and Apple Watch. So... Apple Watch has the best DATA in all categories (except O2 for now) but Oura still has very good sleep, O2, temp, and heart rate (except during fitness activities) data. The difference is the software... Apple dumps tons and tons of data in the Apple Health app on the iPhone from the watch. In general its endless graphs and numbers but ZERO interpretation of that data, they leave that to you or your doctor. For the first time in WatchOS 11 they added a "vitals" app that tracks 5 of the main metrics (RHR, O2 (when available), temp, sleep etc.) and tells you if they are out of the norm each day, but very little information of why, what the norm is, what to do etc. There ARE several very good apps you can download and either are free or a reasonable yearly cost (ie. sub $30) like Athlytic that take the data from the Apple Health app and provide "Oura-like" interpretation of the information including stress, readiness, etc. The question here is how accurate those apps are, most of them are created by a team of one or two developers vs. a company like Whoop or Oura that in theory has doctors and scientists aiding the development of the intrepation of the data. Your mileage may vary. Oura on the other hand is all about taking the data it gets and interpreting it and putting it in forms that are actionable. It's not just how much you slept, or what your HRV was, or your RHR was... its how all 3 of those (and more) represent your readiness to tackle stress or heavy fitness loads that day etc. It's interpreting your overall cardio vascular health etc. The software makes the difference. Now Oura knows their weak spot is data accuracy in HR during fitness so it works with Apple Health to import fitness tracked by Apple Watch and use that data in place of its own if you want, a best of both worlds situation. So... Apple Watch is the best at gather data in essentially every single metric except O2 (and probably not for long) but Oura is "close enough" most of the time and you can use your Apple Watch, Garmin etc. data to supplement the Oura during its weak spots (cardio fitness activities) but the software is so much more holistic and willing to take a stance. With Apple YOU need to do the work to understand what the data means for the most part. They dipped their toe into interpretation with WatchOS 11 but Oura is already in the pool. None of this also accounts for comfort, ie. if you don't want to wear a watch at night, or if you want wear a non-smartwatch on occasion etc., obviously Oura excels at those situations. For me? I'm fortunate. I wear an Apple Watch Ultra 2 (except at night for comfort) and an Oura and while they overlap they help each other and help me in different ways.

Any Apple Watch will do a good job of combining the Apple ecosystem smartwatch features with excellent fitness tracking that is shared with Oura. For now your Garmin will provide similar excellent fitness tracking with Oura, the only part you won’t have is the Apple smartwatch features and integration with your apps, notifications etc. I enjoy the Ultra series primarily for the long battery life and style, but the regular “Series” of watches has the same features effectively just with 1 day battery life.

I went back to Apple and got an Ultra 2. I miss aspects of the Garmin (morning report, sleep score) but I’ve been using the Bevel app and it’s really good.

I have a Whoop (obviously), Oura Ring 3 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 (+ Bevel App) in daily use. If I would need to remove one device it would be the Whoop. If I would need to remove two devices it would be Whoop + Oura Ring. In my use the Whoop is the most unreliable in terms of data collection. It regularly detects workouts when I do nothing. Recently had a „workout“ of Yoga that moved my strain on that day from 4.1 to 17.3 in just 20min. Problem was I was sitting on my chair doing office work. This stuff happens every few weeks and definitely lowered my trust in the accuracy of the device. Apart from that it is more comfortable to wear than the Apple Watch but less comfortable than the Oura Ring (especially for sleep tracking). What I like is the customization options with different bands (I have a black and a blue one) which you can use to make it fit your outfit better. I thought about getting a biceps strap but I‘m not paying the ridiculous prices Whoops charges for this. Oura is obviously always looking the same and I don’t like that it scratches relatively easily especially if you wear it while lifting. Build quality on the other side is perfectly fine for me. The Apple Watch feels most premium out of the three devices, has the most functions and I trust it‘s data the most in terms of accuracy. In combination with the Bevel App it gives me a lot of insight. Honestly without Bevel I would not get the Apple Watch if your only purpose is health tracking. Apples pre-installed health apps on the watch/phone have all the data but they way it‘s displayed and summarized is awful. I don’t mind paying my 6$ per month for Bevel and I got the Watch not only for health reasons but also to use its other features but keep in mind that Bevel is something you probably need to replace Whoop/Oura with the Apple Watch. If my Oura Ring 3 fails in the future I will probably get a Gen 4 ring. If Apple introduces a Ultra 3/4/5 etc with new useful sensors I can imagine upgrading. If my current watch breaks I would buy it again without a doubt. For Whoop I’m currently on the road to not extend my subscription once it expires. I‘m a bit over half way through my 2 year subscription and since I anyway paid for it I will continue wearing the Whoop daily but as of now I don’t really see a reason to renew it. Hopefully when this time arrives the introduced Whoop 5 or made significant improvements to the software and features. For those interested: Battery life I get with Whoop + Oura is basically the same of around 5 days. The Apple Watch lasts around 4 days (I have Always on off which boost the battery life significantly).

For the biggest scam is that they try to use the different subscriptions in order to have you pay as a user who has over 6 months remaining in their subscription. Given the prices it takes like three years of Whoop to have a fully paid off Apple Watch Series 10 + Oura Ring. Money is not the factor for me when going after health gadgets but this feels like a scam to me still. Additionally like others pointed out no word on improved sensors and the low accuracy of the sensors is my biggest issue with Gen 4. Sure a 14 day battery life is cool but I anyways charge my Apple Watch Ultra 2 and Oura Ring 3 every 4-5 days so it doesn’t matter to me if my Whoop needs a charge then too.

I suggest you check out the test from “The quantified scientist” on YouTube. He did a great review on the Oura Rings pro and cons. Personally I use it in combination with the Whoop and an Apple Watch Ultra 2. In this combination it works great for me.

I disagree Ultra 2 totally sucks for my work outs. I wear a Samsung Classic 6 for side by side comparison and the Heart rate vary consistently between both up to 20 bpms. The Ultra 2 on the treadmill winds up looking for a heart rate a lot. If you try and use it for Boxing work outs or jump roping it goes haywire by switching screens, creating new segments every few seconds depending how hard the work out is. As a smart watch its probably the best but work outs it has me frustrated where I am looking to get a chest strap instead and take the watch off as it becomes a hindrance more than useful

The AW ultra 2 will last easily for a 70.3

I recently got an Apple Watch Ultra II. Nice watch, but I agree that you have to adjust your workout to get better accuracy in counting laps and yards. I am a geezer (70+) and still compete. I also still do freestyle and backstroke flip turns which loses a yard or so on many turns. Kick-only laps lose yards if you do not move your arms regularly. Breast and butterfly strokes work best if you do legal two-hand touches at the wall. I keep an analogue record of my yardage/meters so I can get to 100 miles during the calendar year. Meeting that goal gets me a "T-SHIRT" at the local YMCA. Woo-hoo!!! Keeps me motivated and out of the house when my bride of 50 years needs some undisturbed "me time". Any yes, I am retired.

I actually run with both a Garmin 955 and an Apple Watch Ultra 2 so I can keep my phone at home. The AW definitely can give some funky HR data and a lot times measures short or maybe the garmin measures long on the runs but they’re always off by about 0.02 every 1-2 miles ish.  One thing to consider is if you run during the winter. I used to run with AW series 7 and my battery would freeze and the watch would die in the middle of a run regardless of my battery charge. The garmin hasn’t died in the winter before. This will be my first winter with the AWU so we’ll see how it does. 

I just moved to an AWU2 and one of my biggest reservations was worrying about how it would be to sleep in compared to the Whoop. It's perfectly fine to sleep with on. For me at least. And I have the titanium band, which I would've thought was uncomfortable.

Apple Watch Ultra 2 which connects to and uploads all my runs to Strava.

APPLE WATCH ULTRA 2 because of cellular data and WHOOP MG. Has been a real game changer for me.

Apple Watch Ultra 2 for work outs. I like the track distance and speed when bike riding, running or swimming. Then wear a regular watch other than that

I’ve got an ultra 2, you can either use the runna app for spoken cues and a bit more of a “guided run” or have the runs in the native workouts app where it’s a bit more basic where your watch beeps and vibrates as you run (which I prefer). If you’re only using the watch for runs then I’d def reach for a Garmin 265 or similar with dual band GPS (will sort those gps issues)

I have an AW ultra 2. I wear it to work all day and just switch the band out when I get off the site and head to the gym 

I used bevel with my AWU2 after first leaving Whoop. It's does pretty much the same along with food tracking too. I've figured out enough now that I no longer even pay for Bevel. Hopefully at WWDC Apple will add some more data to their vitals and strain app. Battery really isn't an issue with Apples fast charger. I just pop it on charge while I have a shower every morning.

I went for the AW Ultra 2 recently and I am really happy with it. 48+ hours of battery from 100 to 25% with daily workouts and 24/7 data usage. S10 is the newest alternative, with twice the smaller battery but twice faster charging. Both will be doing great work for you. I personally went for the ultra because of the design and to avoid being without battery without timing the charges.

Had a size 9 gen 4 since launch, replacing a gen 3. Very happy with both. As above I don’t find value in the timeline, it’s not something I personally look at. I think the main page should be modular where we can add sections based on our ‘favorites’ or interests. But overall I’m quite happy with my purchases. Also own and wear an Apple Watch since launch, most recently an ultra 2, I feel Oura does the app quite a bit better.

I run and train with power using a Stryd pod, Apple has the best set up for that with the Stryd app and I’m in the Apple echo system. I use the Ultra2. I got sick of the Garmin software bugs and bad UI and UX after 10 years. Great hardware but so behind in the software. I have always had Apple Watches so it works. But I was gifted a Suunto Race S. That is a beast of a watch for the price point. All the features of the Forerunner 965 and a new rate sensor. It’s a beauty. I often have both it and the U2 on when hiking.

I would add that apple measures heart rate continuously during all activities.

I would agree with your assessment of Garmin for the most part but completely disagree of your assessment of the Apple Watch. Apple can do everything that a Garmin watch can do with the right apps and your idea that most apple users don't use the fitness abilities of the watch is a huge assumption. I would also add that you can have the option to have a cellular connection on the Apple Watch. The Ultra can get 2-3 days so not that far off the lowest level of a Garmin. The Garmin app is not user friendly and the UX and UI is awful. The hardware is amazing but the software is not great. Suunto has some great watches the Race S is a great price point and has much the same metrics as the forerunners and it has maps which are only included on the higher priced Garmins. Coros is also a good choice.

The Suunto Race S is a great watch, I was gifted one, it has a long list of features and a great price with lots of colour/metal options, Coros is another great brand also great features at a much better cost point. Garmins are expensive for what they give you and the competition are catching up quickly and doing so for a better price. I have never used a Polar watch so I can't comment on them but their heart rate straps are the best in the business. I currently use the Apple Ultra2 and I love it, but if I didn't I would use my Suunto daily.

I’d recommend apple watch ultra 2 or apple watch 10 if you use and like apple products. Im swimming with watch ultra 2 and like it very much!

I highly recommend it. As my first Fitbit, I’ve been wearing it for the past three months, and it has exceeded my expectations. I compared it to the Apple Watch Ultra 2 during a one hour walk, and its heart rate accuracy was nearly identical. Given it’s much lighter on the wrist, it made me question needing a bulky smartwatch. As a sleep tracker, it’s outstanding. While I’m not familiar with the old app interface, aside from screenshots shared on this subreddit, I’m impressed with its design language. I've come to prefer its muted and minimalistic tone over the old color rich interface which I find to be distracting and busy. A five star experience so far.

If you and your partner are in the Apple ecosystem, then the Apple Watch Ultra 2 makes sense. One of the main reasons why I use it is because I need the better "smart watch" features to deal with training without being off-grid when it comes to work/family. I'd probably also get a Garmin if I was more serious about competition, but for my use the AWU2 meets my needs and will last through a 140.6.

Yes, I wear it most of the time. I also have an S10 which I wear when I want something more comfortable or that looks better. I sleep with the Ultra and really appreciate the Vitals it gives in the morning. I make sure to check them before beginning long workouts since they can show early indicators that something is wrong (like an infection). Garmin is a better sports watch mostly because of the physical UI (buttons), and while the battery is better on the Garmin, I think it's overrated. I have no problem charging my Ultra on a routine basis and it lasts longer than me, so it's "good enough". The one thing that I dislike the most about the Ultra is that you can't manually adjust distances. The problem here is that when you're doing an event, having a device measure the distances has limitations (with any device). How a device deals with GPS and vector based measurements can vary, and the way Apple does it is fine (probably ideal for me) for training, but the result is to (usually) undercount distances. In training this is fine because I'll do longer distances and during the event do better than expected. However, what sucks about this is that when you do an actual event, the discrepancy means that it won't log the event (or give you an award badge) for what you did because the watch things you're a bit short. For example, I did a 140.6, but it measured the swim slightly short of 2.4 miles, so it logged it as a 70.3 distance triathlon. I'm a total gamification whore, so it's a bit of a let down, but also can make going through your logs annoying because some of the events don't show up as the actual distance events that they were.

I have an Ultra 2, which I think is maybe my 5th or 6th Apple Watch. It’s exceptional, I couldn’t imagine anything else being better or providing more comprehensive data.

I do. I charge it in the evening when I’m getting ready for bed, wear it overnight, and then charge in the morning when I’m showering etc. It’ll easily last 2 days if I forget.

Garmin may do some things better when it comes to pure fitness tracking but when you’re talking about a smartwatch as a whole package, the watch ultra has no realistic competitor on the market, it’s way better than everything else. You could call it the iPad of smartwatches.

Yes I do, an ultra 2

I own both the Apple ultra 2 and the Garmin forerunner Runner 965. I definitely strongly prefer the Garmin for activity tracking. The activity tracking on the Apple just is too simple for me. Like the Garmin has things like your interval pace and automatic rest timer.  Maybe the Apple has it too, but by default it does not  I will sometimes also bring along the apple if I want a second screen with directions when I am going on a bike ride Or if I want to stream music off the Apple Watch on my swim headphones or stuff like that But Garmin is hands-down way better as an activity tracker, if nothing else just because the battery is 10 to 20 times better

I have both and have tried swimming with both  Apple is terrible for swimming. Doesn’t even have a rest timer. Get Garmin. The only reason I use the Apple is as a key for my Tesla when surfing and because I can call 911 when I’m surfing

Garmin isn’t always accurate, but Apple doesn’t even make an effort in my experience. It doesn’t detect rest intervals at all, and the yardage is off in the way that you described because it tries to be too precise. In comparison, the Garmin is smart enough to know that my distance is always gonna be a multiple of 25 yards. My swimming style is a slow graceful gliding so I can understand how it might not detect that I have stopped and thinks I’m still going sometimes.  Either way if I need a really precise number I wouldn’t use auto rest timer from any brand. I would manually do it. The Garmin is good enough to keep track of my weekly mileage though.

I second this. Love my AWU2, but if I was only using a watch for runs, a Garmin Forerunner 265 would be the no brainer.

I do relatively what you’re asking about with an AWU 2 for most training and a Series 9 for sleep tracking and some activities. Do not otherwise wear the watches during the day.

when i bought the 4.0 they shipped it from the netherlands to germany, so shipping is a bit more expensive but never 12€ and that they even charge money for shipping is ridiculous… yeah i know while i ordered they said it, that i will have 10 months left than.. will see if i renew next year… i doubt it tbh, 400€ is too much … the fun thing is (i talk from the actual moment) i have an apple watch ultra 2 that can ecg and all that stuff and even better than whoop (we don’t know the accuracy from the MG atm, but we know how good apple is in that point).. so i ask myself why i even got the peak subscription, the normal would be enough for me … but they know how to do marketing that people buy it even if they don’t need it….

There is a way to get an AWU2 where the pinch is less. The refurb store has them now and then if you have any friends that work for Apple it’s a further 15-20% off. Comes to about a 40% saving.   Feels pretty good generally but I use it for swimming and cycling (either built in or use the Komoot app. Battery life is about 3-4 days and wearing it now while travelling and a bit of a game changer. Unless you run I think the data connection is a bit of a waste of time.  Interestingly I think the whole watch is a bit overhyped, interestingly I don’t think it’s actually changed my workouts apart from making me smile when my resting he goes down (which isn’t even accurate anyway!). I have it partly to keep my health insurance premiums down which also keeps me honest in terms of regularity. After all that I’d prob buy another one because I like shiny things. Re healthcare. I think the AWU2 has arm bands on the secondary market? Never tried Garmin but people swear by them

I use an Apple Watch Ultra 2 along with Runna to make running plans/workouts. I stream music and audio books while running and it keeps me sane and allows me to run without my phone

Just got an ultra 2 in the Black Friday sale for £620! I had an Apple Watch 4 before! Battery is great on it! Tad on the big side but no so much to put you off getting it! Would recommend it Never had a Garmin but I see they’re popular also!

I charged mine on Saturday when I first got it and charged it up today when I got down to 20%! Had only been the gym once in that time kind but still had it on continuously in that time!

I was using Runna with my AWU2 until a few weeks ago when I switched to the Garmin Fenix 8 and I love the integration of planned runs in the Garmin native interface.

Even the Ultra 2 doesn't survive the day with regular notifications, cellular and longer gps sport activities like cycling or hiking. Hopefully the next model gets at least a 3 day battery. Garmin, Suunto, coros are the best recommendations. Or get a cheaper apple watch for everyday stuff and other health tracking and a computer for your bike specifically. This can be a cheaper option than a high end sports watch.

Been with Garmin a long time. Tried the ultra 2 because of the convenience with work when I'm not travelling. Still a daily charge watch for that price is beyond annoying. I keep trying to buy the Garmin mkii. But wife keeps telling me to wait for the ultra 3 and see if they make the battery life at least 3 days. Since I'm doing less long trekking and summits now and more managing businesses she's probably right that it would be better.

I own an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and just ran a marathon. I had to upgrade as the Apple Watch Series 6 battery would have struggled to last. I don’t take my phone with me on runs and the watch has cellular for texts/calls. I listen to music and Runna cues through earphones (beats fit pro). The watch easily lasted a marathon and would last 4.5hrs plus when fully charged. I have had issues with GPS on a particular athletics track (although not every time - I don’t know why). This can be annoying with interval workouts. One issue I find happens quiet regularly is the heart rate monitoring - when I start a long run the HR gets recorded and for some reason a lot of the time it will go several minutes sometimes without further heart rate measurements. If I am desperate to “force it” to read another HR (as I usually am as I want to make sure my HR has settled after the initial spike at the start) I find that starting the ECG app gets the readings going again. This is annoying! And appears to happen to many users according to forums online. It appears to be a software issue. If you have a HR strap it won’t matter.

My AWU2 is terrible, I track the sessions just for the heart rate and active calorie burn but that's it. I rely on lap counting from Finis googles...

I use an Apple Watch Ultra 2 for one reason only. Cellular connectivity. It’s so liberating being able to leave my phone at home or in the vehicle when I’m out on my runs. No pockets or straps needed. For that reason alone I probably will never switch to Garmin or Coros, even if they are better suited for runners. Runna works great on it, as does the native Workouts app.

Founding member here. Never "cancelled" a subscription faster than when I received that email 2 years ago. Been following the noise of this new announcement for the laugh and I'm not surprised even a little bit. Whoop(s) has turned into a marketing company. Paying top athletes to represent them and they have to afford it somehow! Apple-like announcement in every way. Recycled tech, software update, ope and you have to pay top dollar for it. FYI been an apple watch ultra user since I cancelled. Charge it for 15 mins every morning when I make breakfast. No regrets.

6x Ironman with Apple Watch 7 and 2nd gen ultra. Not an issue here. Works for me. Try recalibrating or factory reset.

at this point, an apple watch ultra is a better deal with for almost all the features. And with an one time F-ING payment.

I've been wearing both for the past 3-4months at all times. (Apple Watch ultra 2 on left wrist, Whoop on right wrist). Since the Ultra 2 is a bit bulkier, it takes a bit more time to get used to while sleeping, but after like a week, I would say I don't even notice it anymore. Apple Watch Ultra has the Vitals app, which is quite the same as the Health Monitor on Whoop, and takes 7 nights of sleep to calibrate just like on Whoop. I would say now, the only plus on the updated Whoop 5 is the battery life, since the Ultra 2 has the EKG function already. ( And maybe the blood pressure sensor, but I doubt how well it works since it doesn't have the air strap that blood pressure devices usually have. However those are available only on the MG Whoop.

It is way more accurate than most runners need. If you do want or need more accuracy you need dedicated accessories or devices. Like a chest strap. Anecdotally, Apple has edged ahead of Garmin in most metrics. But that’s the way of Apple. Slow and steady with incremental improvements. Apple is the tortoise in this race.

Right? It’s actually amazing to have all this tech in a tiny device strapped to your wrist. Lots of people only dwell on things that aren’t there. But the things that are there? Pretty cool: You can call your mom with it or have it tell you which way to turn so you don’t get lost. It will call 911 for you if are moving and get stopped fast enough that your brain noped out. It will warn you if have afib or sleep apnea. It’s a jukebox. You can play a game on it while waiting in line. It will tell you when to turn off the quinoa pot. It nags you if you’ve sat on your ass too long. Mine nags me if I start to get dehydrated. Because it has its own friggin App Store. Oh yeah . . . you don’t have to drag a big slab of iPhone everywhere you go. And it will do all this 24/7 for some years. It’s really hard to break. Plus all the athletic/health data you actually need as a layman. For $800. This is by far the best device Apple has built yet for my personal use case. My phone might sit on the counter in the same place for a day or two. But my Ultra is all over the place.

Same on this. Had my ultra since release day and loved it. Tried Whoop for a year in combo just to see, but once I realize Athlytic was getting better and my Whoop felt like a chore to not lose the battery, I ditched the sub before it was even up.

I’m picking up my first ring next week and currently use an Apple Watch Ultra for my workouts. I used to run/ride with a Garmin but hate carrying my phone when I workout and the cellular on the AWU solves that problem.

It took one injury while running and a long cold limp home to help me make the switch from a Garmin to AW with LTE.

This is an excellent breakdown and is helping to sway me to buy a Ring 4. I used to run/ride with a Garmin but hated to carry a phone, that pushed me to an AWU w/ cellular after an injury and no way to call my wife. I can’t stand sleeping in my apple watch and work night shift so I’m trying to get better view of my horrible sleep schedule and how to improve it. Overall I can use the Apple Watch for all things fitness and Ring 4 to tie in everything else.

Why it’s worse: charging is something you remember daily if you want sleep tracking.

My awu is a pain in the ass to keep charged. If you use it for gps activity tracking every day you’re not getting 2 days

The whoop has better battery life. I have both a whoop and a AWU. I’ve had an Apple Watch since the first gen. Battery life is not its strong point.

This is my perspective as someone who uses Whoop and wears an SMP or a Speedy that I rotate according to how I feel. Also, I've tried Oura, and liked it, but it wasn't for me. And I have an AW Ultra that I use when running and hiking, and this is after a few years of using a Garmin Fenix. Most people think of Whoop as simply a fitness tracker, which it is, but it is much more. What seperates Whoop from other things is how it shows you the impact of your behaviors. Yes, I think Whoop was less than honest about their upgrade policy with the new 5.0 and MG release, but I still can't find anything like it. The "magic" of Whoop is that it allows you to pre-select certain behaviors that will appear in a daily journal. Each morning you take 30 seconds to check yes or no on these items, e.g. Did you consume added sugar yesterday? Did you eat a late meal? There are endless options. As times goes on, Whoop continues to show you how these behaviors are impacting your sleep so that you discover how far before bed you should stop eating, or what's the latest time of the day you can drink caffeine without it impacting your sleep (even though you may think it doesn't because you fall asleep quickly). I'm not trying to sound like an advertisement for Whoop, but I think most people evaluate Whoop without knowing what it really does. So when I run or hike I use my Ultra for reasons that don't overlap with Whoop. But the rest of the day, when wearing my SMP or Speedy, or when I sleep, I wear Whoop because it is providing overall health insights that I find valuable and have led to lifestyle changes that I may not have made otherwise--even as a person in great shape who works out six days a week.

I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong. I hear this sentiment all the time, but my AW (both older one and a brand new ultra) are consistently recording about 10% over on laps. Usually I will swim 100 yards and take a rest then sets of 200 with a 1-2 min break between. I almost always have an extra lap recorded with each break. I have started to pause after each 200, but this isn’t ideal 25 yard pool, free, touch turns. About 1:40/100

Apple watch Ultra works great. I think Surfr recently also improved their support for Garmin (which was not as good previously). You need to have the right band. The Ocean band is secure

OHR is fine but you need to wear it a little higher up from your wrist bone. Doing this I found the HR to be pretty good. Sleep tracking has been excellent. Better than my Apple Watch Ultra by a mile. Body battery = resources in Suunto. Same tech as used by Garmin and wearing my Garmin and the Race S gives the same results for me. Build quality is exceptional. This is my third Suunto and they’re the only watches I won’t sell on. Suunto app is fantastic with a ton of data and metrics.

I nave with Komoot, but record the actual ride with Apple fitness on my AWU. I record hikes, walks, strength training, indoor rowing, etc. all within Apple fitness. The one exception is snowboarding: Apple fitness doesn’t record a GPS track for the snowboarding activity, and I want to know what runs I’ve hit, so I record that directly on Strava.

Every single time. Calories, yards, time are pretty much all I use/ need

It didn’t always; the enhancement came a couple years ago.

I have an Apple Watch with LTE. I do receive calls while I’m swimming, though I must say I don’t ever take them!

Apple Watch Ultra. Tracks pool lengths and time and I’ve found it to work for most strokes.

I’ve been using it for swimming over the last six years, about 300 times a year, and it works well for me. I can count on one hand the number of times that it has glitched.

I could write a book about this topic, you have no idea how much time I've spent playing with both my Apple Watch Ultra and Garmin Fenix 8 and their respective software apps (Health and Connect). I own both. Long story short, neither are perfect. Here's my opinion per your categories: * Daily activity (steps, calories, heart rate) - Apple wins here. The HR sensor on the Apple Watch is just better. Apple Health does a MUCH better job of aggregating activities and accurately accounting for calories. * Sleep tracking. Garmin wins here, no question. Why? Battery life of the Fenix means I don't have to charge it overnight and therefore much more likely to wear it to sleep. I get 20 days of battery on my Fenix, and I ride my bike every single day. * Recovery metrics (Body Battery, HRV, etc.). Garmin superior here. * VO2Max and training guidance. Garmin blows away Apple. Apple does a poor job of tracking Vo2Max and doesn't have distinct running and cycling vo2 max like Garmin does. In fact, Apple Health won't even estimate your vo2 max unless you go for an outdoors run...it completely ignores any other activity including cycling. Clarity of data and presentation: Apple is just better. They understand UI and navigation, Garmin is piss-poor at this. Other apps to track: Yes, Strava. To me it is a ecosystem-agnostic tool that does a great job of tracking my long-term performance. Subscription not required but IMHO its worth it. Summary: the Garmin hardware is better, more premium-feeling, and its screens and metrics are tuned more for athletes. Apple's software (Health) is 100x better than Garmin's awful Connect, it also does a better job of tracking things like medications, and non-fitness related health aspects. The good news is that Garmin workouts/inputs captured on Garmin devices can feed to Apple Health as well as Connect so you can get the best of both worlds. The biggest drawback to Apple is that its ecosystem is much more closed, it doesn't like to share Apple Watch HR data for example, and it's really more of a smartwatch (still) than a true fitness watch like the Fenix, but Apple is definitely closing the gap each year.

I like the Ultra + Woo app.  While I have the Ocean band I prefer the Solo band for kiting and swimming. Personal preference OP. Being able to phone for help is nice third layer of safety in some of the spots I go.

J'ai une Apple Watch Ultra, une Garmin Instinct 2 Solar, une Suunto Vertical et eu un Fenix 6 Pro Solar! L'Apple Watch Ultra avec son magnifique écran, son titane et son interface très aboutie n'arrive pas à la cheville des 3 autres montres question sport, incluant la Garmin Instinct 3 avec son écran LCD des années 80's c'est pour dire! Quand j'entends que l'AWU rivalise avec une Fenix 8 c'est soit de la mauvaise foi d'Apple Fan soit des personnes qui ne pratiquent pas de sport, bien sur en utilisation montre connectée l'AWU est géniale mais un peu chère pour cette utilisation non ? Question autonomie, je recharge mon AWU tous les deux jours et je ne fais rien avec, quelques notifications, le SPO2 la nuit, écran éteint, pas de musique. 2 jours pour juste surveiller mon rythme cardiaque, mon O2 la nuit et quelques notifications on ne peut pas dire qu'Apple s'est foulé question optimisation d'autonomie. Pour le sport environ entre une et deux heures par jour avec GPS j'utilise mes autres tocantes, je reçois aussi mes notifications, j'ai des métriques à gogo et je recharge tous les 10 ou 12 jours pour la Suunto et 15 jours la Garmin. Conclusion des mes comparaisons : L'AWU est superbe, un écran magnifique, une interconnectivité avec l'iPhone parfaite (bien sur), une qualité de construction irréprochable, des capteurs précis il faut le dire mais c'est vraiment tout! j'ai eu beau me forcer à l'utiliser en sport, randonnée, marche et musculation en ce qui me concerne c'est trop compliqué, il faut des applis tierces pour arriver à juste essayer de se rapprocher des applis natives Garmin ou Suunto et je reste sur ma fin à chaque fois. Il faut penser à recharger tous les jours (si sport) bref.... je suis désolé mais APPLE est à des années lumière de Garmin et même Suunto en utilisation sportive.

Apple Watch Ultra wearing. Love it and it seems to match up with machine data

Apple Watch Ultra certified to 100m. I have not personally tested that claim.

I first had AWU and the Athlytic. Trying Whoop 4.0 right now and I don’t seem to understand why would I switch, it is very similar with no subscription w AW

Accuracy of the apple watch is significantly lower - theres a third party, peer reviewed journal article somewhere that says as much. I can confirm, I’ve had an Apple Watch Ultra and whoop for 2+ years.

I have 10 months left on a 2Y subscription + $150 invested in 4.0 bands + $40 for a spare charger. I considered 5.0 for the $49 upgrade fee (thought it was going to be free when I signed up) and another $49 for a non-black band. Then realized that's effectively $10/mo more out of pocket for the 14 day battery life... And another year for $240 ($20/mo feels quite steep for these metrics now). I'll stick with the 4.0 (\~3 day battery currently) until my subscription runs out and go over to Apple Watch Ultra. Regrettable.

On par if not better than Garmin. Apple really made progress in the running department, many pros athletes are actually using it. 

Apple ultra for fitness, running and sleeping. It really is amazing at what it does.

I believe the Apple Watch Ultra would be your best bet. Especially if you care about notifications. All three of them are great watches but if you have an iPhone, the Apple Watch will be massively better as a smart watch. You’ll get all the notifications you want, you’ll have cell connectivity for Spotify (Their offline Apple Watch app is absolute trash and always forgets where the downloaded files are. I switched to Apple Music because of this), and the battery life will not be an issue. I’ve used my series 7 for half marathons and training and never had issues with battery. Just gotta make sure it’s got at least some battery for training session, and having the extra button will be great for workouts If you want multi day battery then look at a Garmin, but you’ll lose a lot/most of the smart features that you work with your phone. If that’s not important to you then the other options are still great fitness watches I personally love my series 7 because I use the smart features and notifications a ton. It’s also been great for me during track workouts and training. When I eventually upgrade I will go with the Apple Watch Ultra for the extra button. My only issue with getting an Apple Watch Ultra right now is that it’s been the same watch for 2 years. The ultra 2 was released in September 2023 and just got a color refresh in September 2024. As a result, the series 10 technically has the better processor. I would be shocked if they don’t update the Apple Watch Ultra this September with a more powerful chip and potentially better battery as a result

Ultra works wonders for me, and I am a  serious track runner

The thing to understand is Apple Health, which is the name of the app that collects Apple Watch data. You setup Strava to import data from Apple Health. Once done, just use Strava for run tracking and Apple Watch for data collection. I had a Garmin Forerunner 935 before my Apple Watch Ultra. The Ultra is better all the way around. There’s nothing the Garmin did better except battery life. I get almost 2 days out of the Ultra which is sufficient. My wife just bought a newest model Apple Watch and it lasts all day even with tracking her at the gym and during dog walks. You can track a 5:30 marathon with a five year old Apple Watch if you put it in low power mode.

But nobody say what garmin works with messages better of do it APW with same iPhone. I switched APW to Fenix namely this reason. I dont miss any whats app call or telegram call or messages from it with fenix. But AWU at all is very very good thing, especially if calls and messages from all messengers not matter for you (I apologize in advance for my English)

If Garmin is just a sports watch, why doesn’t it stick to MIP displays with a cheaper price? MIP is obviously a much better option, widely recognized by most serious sports users. Why incorporate features like AMOLED, a touch screen, waiting on LTE, and Garmin Pay? It doesn’t really make sense, as a SPORTS WATCH, does it? I'm not going to lie either, I was a loyal Garmin Fenix user for over a decade, starting with the Fenix 1, 3, 5, and the last one of Epix Pro Gen 2. Now, I’ve switched to an AWU, and with the release of the Fenix 8, I doubt I’ll ever go back to Garmin. It’s true that the AW lagged behind Garmin in terms of sports functionality a decade ago, but things have changed dramatically since then. Every point made by OP is valid, as a SPORTS USER! In simple terms, Garmin seems to be stuck in the past, and while Garmin and its users may claim it’s a "sport watch," they don’t acknowledge that this has led to a growing divide with competitors like Apple. Last but not least, battery! That's the only thing Apple insists on, and Garmin can take pride in, even equipped with an AMOLED screen. With Epix Pro Gen2, 47mm, always on, all activities and GPS, 5 days guaranteed, which AWU can never reach.

Mas isso não novidade o garmin sempre foi um aborto tipo ms dos quando comparado com o Apple Watch Ultra , entendo ser comprado por quem ou não sabe trabalhar com um awu ou acha que é mais desportivo ter o que os outros tem , menus horríveis , vários softwares  para quê, até agora o look horrível , sinceramente acho que nem com este 8 convence quem tem um ultra . O awu faz coisas fantásticas  , já tive corus vertix , suunto ambit 1,2,3 ,vector ,x10 etc etc inclusive garmin 310xt e nada se aproxima do awu.

I've been swimming with an Apple watch for years. It has done me well; I currently have the Apple Watch Ultra, because I also scuba with it. My daughter swims competitively, and uses the Apple Watch SE. It has also worked well for her. Those are the two extremes of the pricing spectrum, and when it comes to tracking the swim, they function the same. We both use the built-in Apple Fitness for tracking. It does well except in very specific scenarios, eg, if I do a set with fins and my stroke count is halved, the distance might not be correct for those laps.

I swim with my Apple Watch Ultra all the time. It vibrates for the phone but I’m not going way underwater.

Glad I cancelled. Enjoyable device, but needs to be a fraction of its current price, not more. Wearing my Apple Watch Ultra has been close enough, once I found the right band (titanium Milanese loop).

Agreed. I own an Apple Watch Ultra, a garmin instinct, an aura ring and a whoop. There is no perfect fitness tracker, they all have pros and cons. People who give a black and white “x is better than y” always get a raised eyebrow from me.

The lesson I’ve learned this year from moving to Coros is - incredibly - an Apple Watch with Strong app is light years ahead of the ‘sport’ watches for strength training. Or 5x5 app. This kind of blows my mind 😂🤷‍♂️

Ich habe die gleiche Erfahrung gemacht. Alle schreien immer wie toll die Akkulaufzeit an der Garmin ist. Vergleich AWu mit EPIX pro 2: Oxygen an, Always on display an, Ich höre bei jeder Laufeinheit Musik. Dual Band an, kein SatIQ. Die Garmin zeigt mir jedes Mal nach dem Aufladen 14 Tage an. Prima. Erfahrung: Nach 3-4 Tagen ist die Uhr schon unter 20%. Die Apple Watch Ultra hält rund 2-3 Tage. Ich lade aber sowieso jeden Tag nach dem Aufstehen, bis ich das Haus verlassen. Das sind meist rund 30 Minuten. Dazu kommt, dass die AWU die Möglichkeit hat, zu telefonieren. Apple Pay, Garmin Pay ist wohl eher ein Witz. Und auch die sonstigen Funktionen braucht man gar nicht erwähnen. Der Unterschied der Batterielaufzeit ist wirklich nicht so groß, wie hier immer behauptet wird.

Been using my Apple Ultra with Athlytic along with my whoop in comparison for the last 4-5months just incase whoop pulled this with the upgrade. Athlytic largely gets you all the data whoop does so they just made very easy mentally for me to cancel

I use the Apple Watch Ultra but I also have a Garmin Epix 2, both of them work fine: * Garmin: * Health and fitness metrics: Garmin will give you a lot of metrics (maybe too many if you are not training a lot) (Body battery, HRV, stress levels...) * Physical buttons: works better with sweat and rain than a tactile screen. * Haptics: very useful for running series. * Battery: 10x the battery of an Apple Watch * Android: if you do not have an iphone this the one to go * Apple: * Apple Ecosystem: works great with your Iphone, Airpods, Apple Pay etc * Health and fitness metrics: with the new update it gives you some metrics that will determine how tired you are, how was your sleep etc (for me these are more than enough)

I’m in a very similar position and thought I’d weigh in with the discussion. I too have a SMP300 seaweed (great choice OP) and I also have a Tudor BB41 Monochrome. I daily an Apple Watch Ultra (I work in a GMP environment meaning no jewellery other than a plain wedding band) which I typically keep in a pocket when moving around GMP areas (still tracks steps - unsure how accurate). Once I’ve closed my move ring, I celebrate by putting on something a bit smarter. So this motivates me to use the gym or hit 10k steps early in the day to wear my nicer pieces for longer. Your mileage will vary with this of course. Some days I can run before 9am and close my rings. Some days I close them at 9pm and only get an hour or two wear of my nicer timepieces. Edit: I’ve considered a whoop but there’s been a bit of controversy with them recently regarding “free lifetime upgrades” and then a fee to update from 4.0 to 5.0. Also, I do like the badges / awards on the Apple Watch and I am unsure how the whoop would work in a pocket, or maybe if have to try the bicep strap when in GMP areas. https://preview.redd.it/8aw988xhmr3f1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d1d643ae8484091f7557a7e22ab17a26052255e

I have the Apple Watch Ultra and it records kick drills just fine for me.

I’m going into my 3rd year with the AW Ultra and it’s been great. I wouldn’t go back to a regular AW. Nor do I feel like I’m missing anything I need compared to Garmin, Coros, etc. The lack of dedicated lap button and precision start was a huge pain point on the regular AW. The better battery life and GPS is also nice. But as a runner, the lap button is the real deal differentiator. It’s a pain taking splits on a touchscreen otherwise.

I have the Ultra… as a gift. It might be overkill for my/your needs but “we” got it to monitor my heart/AFib. It actually woke me up in the middle of the night last week because my HR was below 40 **(33!)** for ten minutes. You can add tennis 🎾 to the fitness tracker.

Look at what Garmin offers. I’ve gone back and forth between Apple and Garmin, including the Apple Watch Ultra, and Apple just hasn’t caught up to Garmin for fitness tracking. The compatibility with their other accessories for cycling like power meter pedals and computers is great. Might now have a need now but you’ll be thankful later. Apple battery life is also terrible. My wife has an Apple Watch and forgot the charger for a 2 day trip so we had to stop and buy one. Even an overnight trip would have been too much for Apple to handle. My Garmin goes for a month.

I used the ultra for two years and switched to Coros- data wise apple was great and accurate for what I needed. As always is said, it was battery life that lost me. With much better battery life, I probably would have stayed with the ultra.

Apple Watch Ultra + Bevel is the only thing I’ve found that’s close. Garmin is a great fitness tracker with great battery life. But, from my experience a lot of the metrics like training readiness have an impact from your sleep. But, after about 4 months of testing the Sleep Tracking is noticeably worse than both AW and Whoop. Which in turn makes some of the metrics feel like bullshit. All great devices but I think for accuracy and versatility AWU/Bevel. If you want a smaller form factor with pretty accurate data/sensors Whoop is a good pivot.

Apple Watch Ultra for timers. Had zero problems.

AW Ultra is enough for any sport if you are hobby sportsman and if you are okay with battery. Why you want to change? And to question: first of all you must choose between AMOLED and MIP. I recommend Fenix 7 PRO, 8, Instinct 3 or Forerunner 955.

You can try this:  https://testflight.apple.com/join/UsxwxjJh Swimming Lap Tracker It works best with ultra but uses rotation of the crown on non ultra watch.

Firstly you need to set it up to use action button in Watch settings. Then you need to launch the app with the action button, press start swim, and then a tap on action button should register a lap. If you don’t launch the app with the action button it doesn’t work sometimes in the app to count laps. Also, the timings are a bit unreliable. This is assuming you have ultra watch (Apple doesn’t allow third party apps to use the hardware buttons in non ultra watches) And thinking of adding a stop button but currently using pause resume which is pressing 2 buttons at once

This is what I am thinking especially since the ultra now tracks strain, waiting for WWDC in case they release a new one. Just don’t like the whole screen thing. But whoop has become a joke.

I'm a non serious track runner that got an ultra on the cheap cheap. I love it. The track feature is awesome.

I have the Apple Watch ultra too, and the gen three ring. I use my Apple Watch a lot more and I sleep with it on. You don’t care about fitness tracking which is perfectly understandable, but personally, I do prefer the Apple Watch because I like getting notifications and stuff. But it seems like the rain would do most of the stuff you wanted to do and it would’ve better battery life. It might be less accurate to be fair, but I don’t notice massive differences in the sleep tracking data from my ring and from my Apple Watch.

I use both. AWU hr data, garmin marq with garmin he strap. Cadence, hr, pace are virtually the same, AWU a bit more conservative

I use the default workout app. Lately i use Watchletic, as it downloads trainings from the training app Trenara, the latter is insanely good. I use both watches as I have both. Awu for music, lte and afib, during exercice i prefer garmin (workout page is very readable). Music on garmin is a pain

Well, it is not necessary, but definitely it helps. I’d recommend you to buy at least some basic Garmin Forerunner - it doesn’t cost much, has a decent battery life and is light. Regarding AW, for marathon, you should buy ultra, which is a lot of money. Whoops is more an add-on than running tracker. It’s not very comfortable to run with a phone and the watch shows live metrics, which is very useful. So yes, you should.

All of my family have apple watches. The fall detect works well but can give false positives but you just tell it you didn’t fall and that you are ok - assuming that you are indeed ok. Also, you can just tell Siri to call 911. That is why I got them for my husband and in the first place. Also, I am a medic and moved to the ultra version because it will last thru a full shift and has a bit bigger face so easier to compute med doses on it and do other fx. It is more pricey but IMO, worth it.

All of my family have apple watches. The fall detect works well but can give false positives but you just tell it you didn’t fall and that you are ok - assuming that you are indeed ok. Also, you can just tell Siri to call 911. That is why I got them for my husband and in the first place. Also, I am a medic and moved to the ultra version because it will last thru a full shift and has a bit bigger face so easier to compute med doses on it and do other fx. It is more pricey but IMO, worth it.

Other than the Fennix 7, nothing Garmin has compares with the sensor quality Apple has in the latest models. It was around the 8 that Apple surpassed Garmin with fitness tracking accuracy and with the Ultra and 19 or 10 they surpassed it with location accuracy as well. Garmin will still win with battery life and I’ll rather keep my watch for the QOL benefits, for me it’s mainly unlocking my Mac, the odd payment and some other health metrics that I specifically use the watch for. I’ll answer a call if I’m too lazy to walk back to my phone. The eSIM support is handy for me to be able to leave my phone at home without the safety hit of being completely offline. I have tested the fall detection already, obviously not intentionally, not sure if Garmin has something like that, but it would the also require a phone to be of any real use in an emergency. I’ll be upgrading my ultra next year if the rumoured Blood pressure and sugar monitoring come out. I am hypertensive so that would be very useful to track if it gets worse

I got the ultra pretty much exclusively for a lap button, hated double tapping the screen or doing the two button thing.

It monitors HRV but doesn't interpret it.

Same for me man, always lose count after a few laps when I get lost in my thoughts while swimming. I prefer Apple Watches as they are more comfortable to use but my god, the Ultra is a UNIT and definitely not comfortable to wear. Using the Swim 2 is horror as it doesn't have a touchscreen and you always have to sync for a minute with your phone to see your activities. If money isn't an issue, I'd go for the best Apple Watch with the best strap.

I just recently switched from Apple Watch Ultra to Garmin Forerunner 965 (~3 weeks ago so still fresh). I believe the Ultra is an amazing smart watch that you could train with but damn does that battery suck. I wear my watches 24/7 so I’d be charging it every day while I showered just to get through the day. I find the two watches have similar analytics (Garmin through the Garmin Connect App and Ultra through different apps like Athlytic and AutoSleep) so it’s up to you if you want it all consolidated or spread through a few apps on your phone. The Garmin still does push all notifications to you through the watch you just can’t answer like you can on an Apple Watch. Long story short: I prefer my Garmin for it having everything out of the box and having a better battery life. The only thing I miss from the Ultra is not being able to answer calls/texts from a watch.

Basically any modern smartwatch will do this. Your axes of choice are ecosystem, battery life, and price. The basic Apple Watch will do what you want, but because you’re using the GPS, the battery will be dead mid-day. I do not recommend any Apple Watch but the Ultra for an athlete or active person because of the awful battery life. If you want something cheaper than the Ultra, I’d look at the Coros Pace and cheaper Garmin Forerunner options. They’ll both cost about half and are really good products with roughly 5-10x battery life vs the basic Apple Watch.

Oh wow I didn’t know the Ultra 2 also had that issue. Honestly after getting a garmin watch, I don’t think I can go back.

I used a regular and Apple Watch Ultra for a while. The charging actually didn’t bother me at all. I would charge when I showered and it was fine for the day and night. The thing that bothered me was the lack of buttons. It’s a lot harder to start/stop/lap workouts. The metrics that Garmin gives you are also great, though I understand you can now get them on an Apple Watch and through third-party apps.

Yes, I’ve switched between using an AWU and Garmin. If it’s me doing 200m repeats, yeah, I don’t care about the drift at all. But I can see where serious sprinters do care.

Whoop isn’t the best from any standpoint, except arguably charging. I would argue Apple Watch is the best for the gym if for no other reason than the diversity of apps available - the default workout app is great but you also have Strong, FitBod, and countless others with a huge variety of features and user experiences.

I am an AWU → Garmin Fenix convert and have done pretty extensive testing with both, and against dedicated sensors. I have found for basically all metrics where the watch sensors are the source, the Apple Watch is more accurate when compared against the Garmin watch, although dedicated sensors are more accurate than both. I haven’t tried the Garmin chest strap or dynamics pod, but I have compared to a Polar H10 for HR and a Stryd pod for running dynamics. It’s always H10/Stryd > Apple Watch > Garmin. The discrepancy is much higher for HR than running dynamics. I think it is straight up irresponsible to rely on wrist-based HR is you’re using HR as a part of training, but the running dynamics from both watches are more than good enough for most people.

I use the Apple Watch Ultra. The only annoying thing is it's centered on Movement so steps are a bit hidden and take some time to find. I'm not sure why this is but I suppose a more wholistic view of movement works, too. I had a fancy Garmin watch before and found it more accurate and somehow cooler, but since I'm already part of the Apple ecosystem I opted for the AWU to better connect with my myriad of apps and utilities. The interesting thing is I have a general sense of how many steps I take, so the need to hit certain targets is not as pressing if that makes sense. It's like calorie counting in a way, you can do it for a while, and then you should have a good sense if you're going over, under, or around maintenance without needing to plug away at certain inputs and analyze corresponding outputs.

Especially for outdoors stuff, i tried the apple watch ultra for diving, it’s ok but you can’t use it at all once in the water, with the descent i can use all the functions no problem. Not to mention i can use it with gloves etc etc. The vibration motor though feels totally primitive compared to apple’s 😅

There's a setting on the apple watch so that if you press the crown and the side button at the same time it will pause the run. I typically use healthfit to export apple workouts to other apps like strava. I've never had a problem with battery (unless running for over 4 hours maybe), but switched to the ultra last year which could probably last for a much much longer run.

There's a setting on the apple watch so that if you press the crown and the side button at the same time it will pause the run. I typically use healthfit to export apple workouts to other apps like strava. I've never had a problem with battery (unless running for over 4 hours maybe), but switched to the ultra last year which could probably last for a much much longer run.

I started with an Apple Watch, then an Ultra, then switched to Garmin. The main reason was the sports I was involved in. It was much easier to gather all the data with a number of equipment such as heart rate monitors, power meters, etc. In terms of data, if you don’t intend to use anything apart from what the Apple Watch offers, then I think that’s fine. I kinda miss the Apple watch for its quasi-phone feel, but I learned to move on already. Garmin is a sports watch first device. If you intend to use other devices on top of Apple Watch, you may find your data all over the place.

I started with an Apple Watch, then an Ultra, then switched to Garmin. The main reason was the sports I was involved in. It was much easier to gather all the data with a number of equipment such as heart rate monitors, power meters, etc. In terms of data, if you don’t intend to use anything apart from what the Apple Watch offers, then I think that’s fine. I kinda miss the Apple watch for its quasi-phone feel, but I learned to move on already. Garmin is a sports watch first device. If you intend to use other devices on top of Apple Watch, you may find your data all over the place.

I switched to Fenix 8 from Apple Ultra. For the gym they’re much of a muchness. Garmin is better for running if you’re interested in more in depth metrics but Apple Ultra with Athlytic app was pretty good as well. I wouldn’t have bothered swapping if the Apple battery life was better but I find it disproportionally annoying having to charge it every 2 days. If Apple sorted out their battery issues even to get a week out of a full charge I’d most likely swap back as I prefer the functionality of the Apple over the Garmin.

Great review, enjoyed the read and given me new t think about before I make a decision. I own a AWU and have been strongly considering swapping to the fenix8 but just haven’t been able to pull the trigger yet, I’m too reliant on some of the Apple smartwatch features that I use day to day but I feel let down by the lack of native fitness and maps on the AWU. I really want the Garmin maps for hiking and fitness tracking/ coaching. My last Garmin was the Fenix 3 which was a great sports watch for its time.

They do but it's not great. I've been reasonably impressed with WorkOutDoors on the Apple Watch. The various screens are very customizable so you can see what you want and even adjust the size of the text displayed. It exports to Strava and Apple Fitness. It's the best option I've found to have elevation displayed.

Apple Watch Ultra works awesome.

Apple Ultra. It’s a do it all watch. Connects easily with Strava.

I have small wrists. I like the bigger face especially while riding. They stand out too. When I see a small Apple on someone‘s wrist, they look out of scale. Ultra is cool, but each to their own.

My Apple Watch connected to Strava

Not sure about this. Counts fine for me doing tumbles. But lacks ability to manually add drill like kick which it doesn’t count.

Yeah I have the ultra too. Probably don’t kick fast enough!

Apple Watch Ultra. Rugged enough for the gym workouts simple enough for everyday wear.

I would agree with you on that. I had Garmin fenixes for years, Garmin Epix pro, Apple Watch Ultra, amazfit trex 3 (current watch) and just got a whoop. Imo for weightlifting nothing beats the Apple Watch (ultra or not doesn’t matter) due to all the different apps available. I was using Hevy and the ability to do a live workout between the watch and the phone at the same time was dope: want to change exercice or do more complex changes during your sessions, you simply edit the workout on the phone. But if you want to do just a 5lbs increment on your lift, you can do it from the watch directly live. Only thing I am eager to test with whoop, which is a important part my decision to do the free trial for a month, is to see muscle strain and how it work in tandem with the cardio based strain. Whoop is the only wearable to do that ( but it seems you can do it with Bevel now)

I use Apple Watch for swimming. And it works pretty good - reliable and precise in measurements

My Apple Watch Ultra does everything great for my needs (bike+, lots of outdoor hikes, syncing with Apple TV for stretching, yoga, etc.), but I’m no longer a competitive athlete. I’m just a dude in his 50s trying to stay healthy/happy/active etc. I think if you’re doing things more seriously than I am look into Garmin, otherwise Apple definitely works and syncs well in my experience.

I have a 965 and Apple Watch Ultra. In terms of swimming. Apple Watch is much better in terms of hr accuracy and split detection. But garmin has better ecosystem

Worth it to me Upgraded from Apple ultra Worth it or not varies by person But useful yes

I like it too but it does not stay on if I push off really hard (my Speedo and Arena racing goggles do), let alone start off the block. I have to push off slowly when using those goggles. Still, much more accurate than Garmin or Apple watch.

If your pool is under 25 y, and you are on Apple ecosystem, Apple Watch. If your pool is longer than 25 y, go with Apple Watch (if on Apple), or Garmin. Garmin is worse at tracking swim in a shorter pool than Apple, hence my comment.

I do, although I mainly use it to count laps because I am too lazy to do that myself. For endurance swim, I use it to guide my workload by heart rate. What is lacking in its native app is an auto-rest timer on display.

If your pool is shorter than aground 20 m, I find Apple Watch to be more accurate than Garmin for lap time (in auto rest mode). Calories, I do take too much notice of either of them as I know roughly what I burn in exercise, but they are around 20% off from each other for me, which is not that big in the big picture of things as I do not track calories (more of a technical interest than anything else). Major differences: Garmin shows you the rest time during your swim. Apple Watch offers no option to do that even in the latest version, unless I missed something. With Garmin, kickboard sets need manual recording with Drill Mode. Apple Watch does it automatically in most cases.

Finis smart goggles + Apple Watch Ultra/Garmin Epix Gen 2. AW and Garmin are inaccurate for sprints timing (they often start the count late or stop the count late...), Finis is much more accurate but does not do HR. AW does not have a rest counter on display, whereas Garmin does. Not really a setup needed for normal fitness swimming though.

Yep, buttons all the way. I switched last month from AWU to Epix Pro. Unfortunately, Garmin has no clue when I fall asleep and that skews all data like body battery and other metrics like training readiness. The battery life and the buttons make up for it :).

The AW was nailing pretty well when I was falling asleep. It has a good accelerometer algorithm that detects when you fall asleep. Your respiration rate goes down, your heart rate goes down, you have little to no wrist/body movement, and it marks that moment as the sleep start time. On my Epix Pro, even if I put the watch myself to sleep mode, it says that I went to sleep 3-4 hours after that moment. So, I basically put it into sleep mode at 10pm and next morning it says I fell asleep at 3am in the morning and that I only had 3 hours of sleep. This leads to a poor readiness score and a crappy body battery. As the data analysts say "garbage in, garbage out". I stopped placing too much thought into these numbers. I only focus on my HRV and how I feel that morning to determine if I should go train or not.

I was going to say this. My newest gen apple watch records everything, including kick sets, very accurately and automatically. However, it has a hard time if I am doing some kind of drill like broken/1 arm fly or something like that, which makes sense to me bc I would imagine its harder for the watch to detect.

I’ve used a Garmin Fenix, Garmin Swim 2, and Apple Watch for swimming and by far the garmins were superior. My Apple Watch would die after about half an hour in open water, regardless of water temp, and was always inaccurate with my laps and interval times in the pool. The swim 2 and fenix work much better.

For a time i wore an apple watch with cell service and i got all my notifications as usual while doing a swim workout

I never use the autorest feature on garmin and my splits are spot on. I ditched the apple watch because there was no manual lap reset option.

IMHO Apple does fitness tracking better than Garmin. Esp. sleep tracking is more accurate, plus you get ECG on most Apple Watches. In the US, blood oxygen tracking is currently disabled for new Apple Watches. Btw. I am wearing both, Garmin and Apple (I like redundancy for marathons, plus my Apple Watch has LTE, while my Forerunner does not)

I’ve used an Apple Watch for a few years now. One of the selling points at the time was that it could (attempt to) track heart rate while swimming which not all garmins could at the time. It’s also fairly good at detecting swim strokes and detailing your workout in blocks. All you have to do is set the swimming pool length. It detects when you turn, whether flip turn or touch and go, and takes that as one full length. It can try to approximate fractional distances or open water swims with GPS, but I’ve gotten some “creative” routes recorded with just GPS data. Newer watches may be better. Also I went extra and got the cellular watch so that I could take just the watch while cycling and leave the phone at home. There are plenty of cellular watches available but this in conjunction with good swim features sold me. Not sure if attaching the cell device to your android is possible though. Cell-less versions should work just fine with an iPad though.

I use it for my workout. Its great, it has also greatly improved over new versions for tracking the meters better. I would never consider switching, most likely will get a new one in a year or 2. I also use it in open sea training.

I also went from apple, to garmin… then back to apple. I loved the body battery features and stress level features of the garmin in addition to the recovery estimates… but the garmin is really slow, its bulky, I missed being able to answer texts, change my music when working out, Apple Pay, etc. with the Apple Watch. I honestly regret buying the garmin but I do see how people would love it. It’s just not for me.

The expensive ones aren't any more accurate than the cheap ones, but they do last longer. I'm on my third Apple Watch and likely will never switch to anything else, so take my advice with all the weight of a single grain of salt.

Apple Watch every time. Allows me to control my iPhone on the floor or outside if I want to switch tracks or start stop my timer. No issues so far.

I can’t stand my Apple Watch. It always turns off during my workouts and counting “exercise minutes” is literally pointless. I bought an Ultra 2 because I wanted to have the best shot at success with it and that thing is a POS for health tracking. The whoop is so much more comfortable and consistent at tracking with better data analytics. I have the 5.0 and the band is fine. Idk what everyone is complaining about. Is it something you would wear to dress up an expensive outfit? No, but that’s not really what it is intended for. Personally, I would wear it with a suit without thinking twice because I don’t really care what other people think.

I'm on a Samsung smartwatch with my Pixel but I am also sorta eyeing switching to iOS. You can get used Galaxy or Pixel watches cheap or if you're just using it to track swimming Samsung makes a cheap fitness tracker for like $70 but that's compatible with only Android. Cross compatible trackers I think there's Amazon and Garmin but if you're planning on switching I think you'll get a better experience with an apple watch

I have an infrared sauna that goes to 170 degrees. I wear my Apple Watch in it all the time to track my heart rate, because I workout in the sauna

I compare my apple watch logs with my pedometer. Ultimately, the device that exists for that single function will be more accurate.

To be honest I just use my AW for structured running workouts and for cycling as well. If I need some data if you started a cycling workout your phone can display them so I use this method, I mount my phone on the bike. Garmin and other sport watches offer a wide variety of sports related features so you have to decide whether you need those. For me it was also important that I can use my watch as an everyday watch so I kept the AW.

there are third party data analysis options available. and yes, i agree, if you're a serious athlete, it's where AW falls short. actually, if you do lifting or climbing or, hell, even rowing, the oura is uncomfortable - and in some cases, actively dangerous (you sure as hell should not climb with a ring on)

Tried whoop, Fitbit, and now am on Apple Watch. I loved whoop but I couldn’t justify the monthly subscription. So if money isn’t an issue, I recommend whoop. Fitbit sucked. At least for me it did. Loving my Apple Watch the most. It’s easier to see how my heart rate is going and it keeps me motivated during the day outside of working out. Plus it has the find my phone feature which helps my flakey ass.

Apple Watch with the MySwimPro (https://www.myswimpro.com/) app. Super cool workouts with splits, super accurate for metrics.. Catches multiple stroke types, works for flipturns. Nothing more I could ask for tbh.

I just use an Apple Watch because I like it for out of the pool too. Does all I need it to do is

If you have an Apple Watch, you can program it to intervals for an outdoor run!

You can do repeats up to 99! It’s really easy. I do 90/30 and it took me less than two minutes to get it set up.

Apple Watch is fine if you have one. The modern apple watches are pretty good, and the GPS models will do everything you need, with great accuracy. You need to remember to lock them out (use the water button) to prevent errant screen taps by clothing or just sweat dripping. Battery life is fine on Apple Watch, unless it gets old and the battery needs to be replaced (which only the store can do), and should easily last you an 8 hour workout. But it won't last much longer than that. Without workouts battery life on Apple Watch is around 1 day, that's it. You have to charge every night. Garmin is better if you want a dedicated running or workout watch. Garmin will have much, much longer battery life (depending on model an usage, between a week and a month), a more focused interface, and physical buttons to perform certain activities.

Nice summary! I wish I could test the MG, but as it stands my order 12 days ago isn’t even worked on yet! I can only imagine how long it takes to even ship. However, I won’t extend my membership after this anyway, unless they cut down the yearly price *significantly* AND I end up being in love with the MG afterall. I am finally okay just using my Apple Watch and the PeakWatch app. I guess I kind of have to thank Whoop for cutting me loose from my whoop data addiction 😄🫶🏻

I find that the Apple Watch , or at least mine, often adds a length for kick sets.

My Apple Watch paused my work out 10 miles into a half marathon race. Went out that same day and got a garmin. I like the physical buttons the garmin has. Multi-week battery life is amazing. The only things I miss is the phone locator (the one on garmin isn’t that good) and replying to text messages from my watch.

If you're in the apple ecosystem, get an apple watch.

BUTTONS I had a 245 that broke a couple years back, and while I waited to get a new one I borrowed my wife's old apple watch, and hated every minute of using it due to the touch screen for everything interface. Now I've got a nice sleek 965 my dad gifted me last year and it's so nice. Love the AMOLED screen.

It's a good device for the price but if i has an iphone i would take an AW

I think AW has better GPS tracking than Garmin - I have Garmin and a friend I ran a HM had AW - I had to run an extra 300 meters to complete the same distance- Garmin was cutting off the corners on turns!!

I feel naked without it lmao. I swim long distance usually I start with half hour straight (I use the timer) and then I see how much yards I swam. It’s so helpful keeps track of my splits as well

I swim in a 25 yard pool and for me the Apple Watch is very accurate with freestyle and breastroke. The other strokes tho not so much. It also doesn’t record if u just do a kicking workout. Overall, I just do freestyle and breastroke so for me it’s great

Ooooh no way. I gotta get me one ty. That just changed the game for me

I have the third generation. Maybe it can do it I just never knew about the update

Tbh when I had an Apple Watch I’d just click strength training and do my workout.

It’s really unfortunate that WHOOP has decided to take this route — not updating devices for existing subscribers with active plans. For example, I cancelled my subscription yesterday and don’t plan to renew it. It’s disappointing to see this approach from WHOOP. And I especially feel bad for people who just subscribed. Like my boss, for instance — I recommended WHOOP to him, he purchased a yearly subscription, and received his new device only three weeks ago. Now, every time he opens the WHOOP app, he’ll get a reminder that a new device is available — but to get it, he’ll have to pay an extra fee. Sadly, this will be the case for all new users who joined at the last minute. They’ll constantly be getting follow-up prompts: “You’re not using WHOOP to its full potential,” or “Discover more – upgrade, subscribe, pay extra.” As for me, I’ll stick with Apple Watch, a one-time purchase, paired with an app like Athletic, which costs significantly less. I’m confident this combination will cover 90% of my needs. And if one day I feel that I’m missing something, I’ll just buy an Oura ring — and even then, it’ll still cost less than WHOOP.

The issue is that he is checking just the hardware accuracy, not the whole ecosystem (hardware+software). Whoop app is incredible. What is the alternative for AW?

On top of that, AW sensor actually works kind of funny. It measures your HR just 1 time per minute, while Whoop does it 100 times per second. Therefore, if you have a spike in heart rate you can derive much more related info about it, while AW could lose this whole event altogether.

Mine randomly adds laps, especially at the beginning of my swim. I’ve recalibrated and fiddled with the settings, but can’t find a consistent fix. It’s annoying

I have both. Apple Watch does not record VO2max data for my daily exercise, which is “Nordic Walking with poles”. The ring does record it although for some unknown reason that data is not copied over to the Apple health app! Another reason for having both is sleep tracking. The ring gives several days worth of battery life. The watch only a day and a half. (For data collection other than VO2max I take the Watch off overnight putting it into low power mode.) I have found that using the ring and its app my sleep have improved significantly.

Well Apple Watch has lumi health and rewards that you can earn back the cost of your watch and more.

It’s meant to motivate you. Cumulative over time. It’s not a lot but not little either. We are the only country that paired up with Apple on this, so make sure to take advantage. I didn’t even get a new Apple Watch tbh. Got a used one off Carousell. Just make sure it’s not tied to Apple ID by accident or stolen. The extension of the Apple watch if you’re an iPhone user is unmatched. Paying for public transport is way more convenient with an Apple Watch.

My Apple Watch works just fine

I personally like to track my workouts as well as my sleep. I wear an Apple Watch to bed, then workout first thing in the morning (after getting the kiddos off to school). After the gym/shower, I put the Apple Watch back on the charger and put on one of my Omegas and wear it throughout the day (work, etc). At the end of the day, I put my Omega in my watch winder box and put the Apple Watch back on before bed. Rinse and repeat…

Used apple watch. You might need to charge it every evening but it's your best bet. You really don't want to buy a cheap fitness watch.

Apple Watch, most precise health tracking. Garmin is better for sports as has better gps tracking and sports features

My Apple Watch is incredibly accurate for high-level training. I have started using the Phlex app, which gets it even more accurate. But I still just print out my workouts and slap them on a kick board with some water. I don’t like the idea of my watch guiding me through the workout because I might make changes on the fly or add some rest when I need it and I don’t want to have to fuss with the watch just to do that.

Garmin Forerunner does a great job. I like the Apple Watch, but the battery life kills me. With my Garmin, I can use it to track swims, runs, and bike ride and I still only need to charge it once a week.

I guess I'm the odd one out here- I tried using my Apple Watch when swimming, but found it doesn't sit tight enough on my wrist to be effective. I've since started using the Form 2 goggles & find them much more effective (and motivating!). I don't really track my activities, it's more important to me that I make it to the gym at least twice a week than that I keep track of what I'm doing once I get there, but I live a pretty active lifestyle.

Down voted but you're right. My partner tried an apple watch and couldn't even track his sleep because the battery died so quickly. I brought him a Garmin amd he's never looked back.

I use Apple Watch

Try the WorkOutDoors app on the Apple Watch. It’s pretty great. That’s what I used and just uploaded directly to Strava from there. I would recommend either an Apple Watch, a Garmin, or a Coros. You need a real fitness watch to do marathon training tracking.

G shock. I m considering getting one. A real watch with tracking features. Have an apple watch. Biggest cons - one more thing to charge everyday - whatever pros they have, I dont want another screen on my wrist. - notifications, sometimes useful but not worth it - looks and feel, the novelty fades very quickly. Doesn’t even compare to wearing an actual watch. Tldr. Be a man, get a real watch.

Hi! Yes, I swim with my Apple Watch and use it for all my workouts. However, I’m currently considering switching to Garmin for the longer battery life. In general, I’d say Apple Watches are very popular among people who aren’t super serious about training but still work out regularly.

Another for Apple Watch.. works well for me once I fixed the wrist settings

Same. I think I’m in my 4th year and I don’t see the benefit of upgrading aside from the longer battery life and this age thing. Big deal. EKG I have with my Apple Watch and I don’t even use it. If they could get the step counter to work properly, I’d be happy.

I got my Apple Watch to track my swimming. I've found I love it for daily life but I think it's great for swimming. I love the splits feature.

Have a regular peloton bike (not a bike+). I tried an Apple Watch and an oura ring. Best thing I’ve done is buy a regular Garmin forerunner + hrm strap for the best output capture. The hrm can be synced to the device for real heart rate during exercises.

Do you use a branded smart phone, tablet or laptop is so google will already have your data. As to fitness trackers Fitbit are best but they are changing to google wear or something like that. And either Samsung watch or Apple Watch are far superior in build and use for health and fitness tracking in all fairness.

I second this, garmin seems like the best Although.. I use a Apple Watch

Calorie burning will never be accurate if the wheelchair user doesn’t have fully innervated muscles. The formulas are based on able bodied formulas. You might get an idea for how many “calories” are burned for you in a more abstract way, but I wouldn’t rely on it for calculating calories you want to then eat back, etc. The Apple Watch is great for not nagging you to walk more, you can change to the wheelchair mode (tells you to push instead of stand).

Fitbit is surprisingly good. Outstanding battery life. Apple watch, but get the app WorkOutdoors and use that.  It's less than 10 bucks.  No subscription.  Watch videos on YouTube about it. Here's one.  You don't need the ultra to use it. https://youtu.be/0CO4Nqn1PVQ Garmin is highly recommended for athletes but I've never used it so can't compare.

This is the same reason I've been considering Whoop for the longest time. But I just don't think I can commit to the lifetime subscription cost. Currently wearing a Charge6 and it's been fine for now. I came from Apple Watch, but found it too uncomfortable wearing that and a mechanical watch.

I have had the gen4 for a couple weeks and really like it. I wore a whoop for many years but got tired of wearing a strap. I have a specific need for data again so I went with the Oura. I wear it instead of my wedding ring and so far it’s great. I also use my apple watch with it for workout where I like to see data and zones easily without my phone. Anything in particular people are complaining about? I have had tons of wearables and it’s solid.

I use the Garmin Instinct 2 and really happy with the tracking and training guidance it provides. Being able to customize the screens I see during my swim is something that I really like. Previously, I used an Apple watch for track my swims, and that was pretty accurate too, but because it was all touch interface I would end up accidentally pausing or ending my workout without intending to. Also, I realise now that Apple’s insights don’t even come close to the detailed analysis and guidance I get with Garmin.

I do since yesterday. Its a gamechanger. Tracking training progress makes it so much easier to visualize your progress. (and i like numbers, they do funny things to my brain)

I wear an Apple Watch (I forget what model) and it works great for me! I track all the important things: time, distance/GPS, heart rate. Plus I can build interval workouts into it. Battery is fine if you turn off cellular, but that’s not a problem either because you still get GPS and can have your songs downloaded to the watch itself.

Playing devil's advocate, Garmin and Coros are much better sport watches, but AW is a better smartwatch. So if you're looking for text messages, Siri integration, emails, NFC payments, notifications etc..AW is going to do a better job. So how to make an AW more bearable to use as a sports watch; use apps like WorkOutdoors and HealthFit that sort of emulate Garmin features. You can build intervals, set routes, get HR or pace notifications. HealthFit gives you a better visual health data while bridging data over to Strava. Create workout shortcuts that plays your music, start your workout and puts you in a focus mode. The Apple fitness app is catching up...but at a molasses pace. The rate its going, its going to be years before you get the level of customization the third party apps provide. Even with third party apps, AW feels a bit clunky to juggle multiple apps to get the functionality of a Garmin. Personally I'd like a Garmin for Christmas for my running, but the rest of the day, I prefer an AW. Also another thing to note, AW sucks running in the rain. Physical buttons is something you really miss when you realize the screen doesn't work when you're soaked in water.

I’ll piggy-back on this excellent review, since I generally agree with it. Sleep: I have both the ring and pay for Sleepcycle on the watch and find the ring to be more accurate than the watch but also on the conservative side — I don’t feel like I’m getting credit for sleeping when I should but it’s hard to know since human memory is not accurate either. Data: You can download your data if you want and there’s a lot of it. Advice/coaching: turning data into things you can do differently is probably a lot of their R&D and it is annoying because it can’t be turned off, nor can you streamline what data you’re shown to reduce obsessive thinking but the language choices are surprisingly not off putting Vs Apple Watch: Agreed on it being okay for exercise but short of the watch, which seems more accurate and easier to use. If you just want a vague sense of your activity level it’s good. Ring best for sleep, watch best for exercise

Given that the AW doesn’t measure HRV often at all through the day, body battery is a total guess with all of them. I wouldnt bother focusing on that metric with the AW.

It’s not false. You’re expecting people to enable a function reserved for people diagnosed with afib. Apple even says that it’s for people diagnosed with afib. The average person won’t know to do this. This is a “hack”, not a normal feature. The Apple Watch doesn’t measure HRV all day long, it’s not a feature. Even with afib on it measures sporadically

Had a charge 5 for over 3 years. Battery was still lasting a week but felt the last half of the battery was dying a bit faster than before. The charge did pretty much everything I really cared about for just day to day stuff. I have an Apple Watch but the short battery life just kills it for me for every day but I will use it if I’m going somewhere. Was mostly happy with the charge 5 as a simple fitness tracker, biggest complaint was comparing the heart rate on it vs Apple Watch or polar monitor the charge way overestimated once I was at about 70% max heart rate. I had heard the 6 had a better algorithm for heart rate and they had a ok sale for Black Friday so I figured I’d grab one. So far so good, need to do a head to head with my old one and see if the heart rate is different. I didn’t abuse my 5 but didn’t baby it either. Wore it most every day for over 3 years and the biggest issue I had was having to reset it to get it to sync again but that seemed to have gotten better recently to. I know I see people saying theirs didn’t last a year but I can’t say that was my experience.

Me and my wife used to have Apple Watches but when we ran together we noticed a wide difference in distances on our watches for doing the same route. Like one watch would say 4 miles while the other would say 2.4 miles for doing an approximately 4 mile run. Additionally during summer months when I was doing workouts, I got tired of my watch face being sweaty and making it difficult to start/stop during intervals. Navigating the touch screen was less than ideal when sweaty so the Garmin has actual buttons to mark laps, start/stop runs, and so forth.

Everyone is going to say Garmin… if you already have an Apple Watch or really like the smart features of it, it will still work great and integrates with a lot of running apps

Apple Watch is great. Shows the swolf also which is useful for efficiency. Downside is it won’t actually stop the timer if you’re resting. So pause it by pressing both buttons simultaneously.

Can’t speak for 4 but I’ve really enjoyed 3. I can honestly say It’s really helped me improve my overall well-being over the last 3 years. I use my Apple Watch specially for tracking performance metrics during workouts (and for work notifications when I’m away from my computer).

Yes! It’s very likely. I had an Apple Watch several years ago and it would pause basically as soon as I started a workout. So frustrating. It was the worst of the three fitness trackers I’ve had.

The Apple Watch SE has been great for me. I did switch to a different watch, but if all I cared about was swimming the Apple Watch would always be my personal favorite.

Yep! I use it for every single activity and utilize its health features heavily.

I use it for counting laps which it is pretty good at, and I will admit that I feel sad when I don't close my activity circles (although I'm trying to not be so hard on myself). I recently received a set of Form googles, so I've added those to my daily data addiction. Notably, the calorie counts on the Form goggles are much lower than on the Apple Watch; I'm pretty skeptical about both of those anyway. (for reference, I'm 62, male, swim 3x/week averaging 1500-2000 m per session). Hope this information helps you

I use my Apple Watch for swimming - it’s great as the fitness app can track your pace and can tell what stroke you’re swimming. I also use ‘my swim pro’ which is a swimming workout app you can connect to your watch - creates sets, tracks pace, suggests improvements.

I’ve used mine for years. It’s not going to ruin it as it’s designed for swimming. I also use mine for day to day use.

I run the Apple Watch to pull a average heart rate for the session but use the finis goggles for timing sets etc, import the finis data into Strava and add the average HR data manually

My wife does marathons and ultras and switched both of us from apple to garmin. The Apple Watch is better for all the other stuff (music, home control, navigation). For anything sports related, the Garmin is far superior.

I dropped the whoop for : Apple Watch + Athlytic app.

I have an Apple Watch and it works very well. Usually accurate to within 0-150m over 2.5-3km practices. No trouble with it tracking kick sets for me. I wouldn’t count on it for tracking split times. I never find them accurate. Tbf it’s hard to figure that out depending on which arm moves first or touches first or when your feet hit the wall on a turn. Total practice time and total meters along with a breakdown of the total by stroke/kick is great though.

Apple Watch is a better activity tracker but oura is better for all around health. If you care about your streaming heart rate or monitoring your heart rate during your workout, the Apple Watch or Garmin is better than oura. I use my Apple Watch when I work out but I never really take off my ring so I can see metrics like resilience and HRV (and watch them improve as my fitness does!)

I used a Whoop for a while but went back to an Apple Watch. Whoop has a lot of metrics and I liked that it could go days without a charge, but I like all the other stuff the watch does - like show me the time. 😉 I also didn’t want to wear both. I know that’s an option some choose to go with. Edit to add: I don’t really *need* it for CF. I mostly like to keep an eye on my heart rate, primarily because I find it interesting to watch my perceived exertion vs. where my heart rate is at. I also get a kick out of seeing what the watch says vs. the C2 rower for calories - they usually are very close!

I have limited experience with both. Garmin (Swim) was not as good as AW for counting laps without flip turns. I killed an AW by swimming in a saltwater pool though.

I use my Apple Watch in the sauna up to 190F for 20 minutes top.

You will be paying for a whole bunch a shit you don’t use if you buy Garmin. Just get an Apple Watch or Samsung.

I use the Apple Watch and a bike computer and my apple watch is way more accurate and reliable

Apple Watches aren’t particularly crazy, and they’re state of the art for HR monitoring on the wrist. You can get them for dirt cheap and turn the other notifications off if that isn’t your jam.

I’ve had an Apple Watch and used it for lifting and running. Liked it very much but it died… don’t swim with it in salty water… Now a Garmin forerunner 265, also for the same sports. Like them both, different but they do the job. For the criteria you’re mentioning, I think the Apple Watch is a better choice since you’re already in that ecosystem (I’m too) and besides sports, it’s a great device.

Nope. My old Apple Watch for hikes (altimeter) and workouts. But the ring is better for everything else.

Apple Watch and strava. Used to use runkeeper way back in the day.

The Apple Watch is good enough for me. Over 2000 yards it might be 50 yards off. When I use the kickboard, I have to huge arm swings to make sure it registers. I don’t use any analyzing apps.

Apple Watch for daily usage and strava app on the watch for distance and HR when rowing m. Doesn’t do stroke rate and doesn’t pause when sitting still, so the split time for the workout is always off. Apple Watch just added native “outdoor rowing” to the workout app. I haven’t tried it yet. Native workout app “indoor rowing” is way low on calorie burn imo. That’s my experience so far.

As a few others also noted, the Apple Watch works really well.

Apple Watch is good only if you rely on 3rd party Apps (Hevy or Strong for example) or even if you pay a subscription to something like that, but just by itself (the Strenght workout on AW) it's worst than Garmin, as it will only give you the timer and heart rate, it won't count reps, track weight or give you the option to see and edit your workouts when you're done.

It’s particularly sensitive to being set to the correct wrist. Have you checked this? I swim with my Apple Watch all the time. It works great

If you have an iPhone, i suggest Apple Watch since it has many other uses. For my experience, also old models work very well to get path/time data.

AW + Stryd has been my setup for years - 100% worth it. I also have no desire for a Garmin because it just seems too unnecessarily complicated.

Yes, I always use my Apple Watch while swimming.

I'm an Apple Watch person, have been for years. I love it, and with the new sleep features, warnings, etc I like it even more. If being too connected is a concern, just remember, you can disable all the warnings and notifications you don't want. I only have messages come in from my wife and kids and most apps are shut off notifications so it's not vibrating my wrist all the time.

Umm I like mine. I had to use HOA dollars so I bought it. Here’s my take: I’m a poor sleeper and I already knew that. I wanted to see what the ring said about it for someone reason and of course it confirms but like so what. Now I am reminded about my poor sleep. It’s also a very poor fitness tracker so far. I’ve had an Apple Watch and a Fitbit and both were much much better I’m still wearing it but I for me I’ll just buy another fitness tracker. After a week of sleep results I’ve seen my patterns and that’s about all I wanted to know

I have an Apple Watch and use Nike Run Club app. Haven’t had any issues with my battery on any of my long runs or marathon

I've had mine since 2021 and I love it. It does have it's moments but overall it has helped me to provide data to my doctor. I do wear an apple watch on my opposite wrist primarily for day time activity tracking and I use the ring all day but primarily for the night time data.

That sucks. My Apple Watch tracks laps better than my garmin 965

Apple Watch. I use the direct connection to Apple Fitness on the bike+ and the Peloton App on the Tread. It automatically connects when it detects a workout.

Another vote for Apple Watch.

I like the Ultrahuman for just my sleep score. I use my Apple Watch for everything else, including fitness.

One more pro is that in this life full of distractions - Whoop doesn’t keep going off all day with notifications from apps and people. Really helps stay focus and does it job as effective. My apple watch keeps going off every now and them distracting me both during workouts as well as during office!

The Apple Watch rings keep me pretty motivated to do at least 60 minutes of walking a day. I’m pretty active but def have those days where I’m a couch potato and the watch minimizes that

Apple Watch is pretty good, sometimes misses kicking sets but is always within 50m of an average 3k workout. My coach sends my workouts via training peaks which integrates to the Apple Watch fitness app. I have used swim.com on the Apple Watch and it works great also

I had an Apple and switched to garmin, I like the garmin way better. More accurate for my bike rides and HR. The battery life is way better too

I use my Apple Watch

Fitbit and Apple Watch are def solid choices for casual fitness tracking. If battery life is a big deal, Fitbit wins. If you're deep in the Apple ecosystem, an Apple Watch might be more seamless, even with the shorter battery life. Garmin is kinda overkill if you're just starting out, lowkey like buying a Ferrari to learn how to drive. For good reviews and comparisons, check out [DC Rainmaker](https://www.dcrainmaker.com/), [Wareable](https://www.wareable.com/), and [The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/). They've got hella info on all sorts of fitness trackers.

Yepp, done haemorrhaging money. Moving to the apple watch, quantifiedscientist on yt has proven accuracy is miles ahead anyway

I tend to mostly see Garmin and Apple Watches in my boat house. Garmins have a solid built-in support for on-water rowing workouts and a relatively long battery life. However, if you want to use your watch as a general smartwatch, I personally prefer the Apple Watch. While the built-in support for rowing workouts isn't ideal, there are several third-party apps that provide the same high-quality data as a speed coach would right on your wrist. As the developer of PocketCox, one such app for the Apple Watch, I must admit I'm biased. But if you have the chance to borrow someone else's watch and compare the data a Garmin provides to the data an Apple Watch provides, I suggest you see which one works best for you.

I’m loving it. It gives you understandable insights, analyzing your data., tips etc. other wearables provides similar info but not in the same user friendly way. Eg I have an Apple Watch that use to track my workouts but in terms of sleeping only tells the time you slept and the phases. Oura tells you if your sleep was repairing, if you had movement during your sleep, advise on the best time for you to go to sleep…

There’s a YouTube channel called ‘The Quantified Scientist’; he goes into depth on all trackers & their accuracy. I’m currently using an Apple Watch.

Apple Watch does count strokes. It’s the number after the / in your auto sets and splits. In your screenshot you can see 52 for the first 825, 53 for the next 125 and 57 for the last 950. You can see a lap by lap breakdown in the splits. It’s very obvious when you do a kick set as it is 0.

Check out Oura ring as well. I’d say it’s between that and the whoop as you’ve already pointed out. I’m that guy from time to time who wears both an Apple Watch and Seamaster.

I’ll start swimming without a coach and I need something to help me tracking distance, recording time and to show me the sets and reps. I swam with an Apple Watch of a friend, and it recorded my training session perfectly! **Even the laps when I just used the kickboard (no arm movement) was recorded correctly.** The downsides with the Apple devices for me are battery life (AW’s is horrible) and I would avoid being locked into Apples ecosystem. My budget allows me to get the Forerunner 255 or something cheaper. My Apple alternative is the Apple Watch SE 2. I saw some people complaining that the Garmin don’t track well the laps, but I question myself if the case is that these people are just very bad swimmers.

When I tried yesterday with the AW, it even counted some very bad simple turns correctly.

I love my Apple Watch for lap counting. I do 100 laps straight every morning and it used to be a nightmare to try to count it. Can’t say a garmin or another might not be just as good but I’m in the Apple ecosystem and it works great. I’ve been considering getting some water-proof audio like you. My big turnoff to that is that I believe there is some value in just turning off the world for 45 minutes. The other minor thing is that I would get into a groove and certainly slow down. The big pro is that I would love to just knock out 45 minutes or an hour and listen to my favorite podcasts and really bump up my distance because of the distraction as opposed to me just searching for how close I am to 100 laps.

Can’t speak to the Fitbit, but I’m generally happy with my Apple Watch

The HRV obsession of the recovery score was a key reason to not extend/renew. It makes no sense. Now trying Apple Watch + my gen 2 Oura .. and also not happy. I liked having everything in one place, only one device, without screen, that I can use for sports. Oura doesn't go well with weights/kettlebells, and I dont long rings that much. Close to going back, honestly.

Which version of the Apple Watch do you have? Mine does count kicking, and the last version I had did also. It was an update a few years (about 3 I think) ago.

I am on Apple Watch and actually considering changing to Venu 3. The thing is that Apple Watch resting heart rate, hrv and sleep tracking are atrocious. Sensors are the best for single measurements, but interpretation of the data is the worst.

I hated wearing a garmin all the time because it just felt aesthetically unpleasing. I sold mine and usually use an Apple Watch but I did buy a coros pace 3 for a relatively low price that I wear for long training and long races it my Apple Watch battery won’t last. Not for everyone but turns out I did need a smart watch and a sport watch.

I have an apple watch and it's phenomenal. A much higher price point, but the activity tracker and goals has made a big difference in my weight loss goals.

Same deal here - big Apple Watch user but wanted more insights on sleep. Looking at oura for sleep insights and analysis (health) vs that of fitness

I had Apple Watch and didn’t really like it and I think whoop is better. Never had a garmin so Can’t speak to that. My freind has an aura ring and it looked the same as whoop with all the same stats and if I was a girl I would prob just get that bc it’s lower profile😭😭 but I just don’t wanna wear a ring around Edit but also whoop is def more health and wellness focused then fitness and training. But if you do the same lifts every week and only change every 6 weeks like I do it’s easy and I log them each week and just change the numbers real quick and the workouts are already saved.

I recently got the FR265. My Apple Watch screen cracked and I was tired of having to charge every night. I gotta say, I’ll never look back - garmin has been legit for everything so far. I do a lot of running and biking. The stats they provide like lactate threshold and FTP outperforms the Apple Watch by miles. It suggests the next days workouts and tracks my body fatigue levels to let me know when I should ease off. With that said, I decided not to track gym/weight lifting sessions on it because I have to push a button after each set. Too much work. The Apple Watch was better for that because I could set it to weight training and it’d just record the entire 60 minute session. But overall the fr265 is great! I’m still learning all about the features. Edit: also, the Apple Watch just gives average pace whilst this one gives me my real time pace all the time. Game changer

Both are fine. I would put the Apple Watch as slightly more accurate given it has dual band GPS versus the single on the 165. Personally I think the metrics on many higher end Garmin watches are overboard so this 165 might be ideal for your needs. Apple metrics are very accurate, i’m just not so fond of the touchscreen and button arrangement for runners. And of course the battery isn’t as long as 165.

I can confirm my Apple Watch overheats and shuts down at any temps above 170. Fit Bit seems to handle it. I stopped wearing mine, I was doing it out of curiosity to see how high my HR would get based on temps.

I use my garmin edge for cycling and my Apple Watch’s built in workout app for everything else.

Thanks for the great write up! I am one that is also frustrated with WearOS in a sense none of them do well for fitness focused people :( . I want to like it but im always drawn back to Garmin. I also use apple phones so i have an apple watch as well which is pretty good at fitness. I love garmin for fitness but lacks anything smart really even their latest watches. (cant voice to text translate a reply to a message) Is there some reason WearOS doesnt allow HR straps to connect that would fix alot of the fitness data for me. I mean come on even apple allows my HR strap to pair with apple watch

I just use my Apple Watch and the Atlon app, it’s designed to track movements automatically

Apple Watch with Strava app is fine.

I use Apple Watch with data so I can listen to podcasts/ music. I use Apple workout to track my runs, Apple Health linked to Strava. I also use custom workouts for speed workouts. Set up warm up, speed repeat distances with pace range, recovery, etc. Battery doesn’t last as long as running watches but I enjoy the features and mine lasts through my long runs (although, I don’t listen to anything on those).

My Apple Watch seems to lock as if I’ve taken it off waaayyyyyyy more frequently now with my forearm/hand tattoo. I’ve been wondering if the ink could be part of that.

I was willing to live with the cost and all its issues - dealbreaker for me was lack of VO2 and continuous HRM and Afib. AW has everything and so do the rings etc.

I use my Apple Watch and My Swim Pro app to count laps, get splits, and stroke count. Plus design workouts, set intervals, etc.

That’s right. I’m using my Apple Watch at the gym for strength training because I feel it’s closer to accuracy comparatively and it’s much safer not to have something interfere your full hand grip. For work (&sleep) I prefer wearing the UH ring and rocking a mechanical watch

By work I meant I generally wear it for constant tracking of all the various parameters at work. I use the ring instead of an Apple Watch to track my HR, steps and walking I do at the office. Not just that, I prefer a normal watch on the outfits I wear to the office. A ring would work out in your case if you ask me if none of the calling, message notifications matter to you. Forgetting to charge is also an issue in the ring. I just make it a point to top up the battery every time I go to a shower so that bit of battery at least gets me through that day and night.

I just use the Apple Watch. I find this more usually the remaining 23 hours a day when I’m not working out. 

My Apple Watch is not great about recording kick board laps. Not sure if other watches are better.

I swim with my regular Apple Watch all the time in the gym pool and I can know when a call comes through. Answering it is sometimes a different story but I can tell who is calling, so if it were the school I can hop out of the water.

AW will automatically detect intervals you preset before the workout. If you have to manually do laps, Ultra has a new side button that can do it.

Agree with all but the auto detection. It’s very good.

I used my Apple Watch, but I used the IntervalTimer App. Worked really well.

Am I the only one where my Apple Watch (all 3 I’ve owned) call a length a lap? Drives me nuts.

I keep saying that and all those tied whoop users keep saying there's no need for an update technology and then it keeps being asked so its funny to watch that bipolarity 😆 regarding alternatives i would say garmin singe you going to use a band anyway to sleep then a watch dont make difference and is way better in general use and better in sports I would say if you have ios then apple watch If you dont like to sleep with eatch then you need to go to a ring or withings sleep matress or some really expensive 8sleep Those are the alternatives i remeber

I use it for every swim. I'm only doing 1500m of breaststroke but like to be able to compare time to previous swims. It's a great way to monitor progress.

I use the Apple Watch in my own 32ft outdoor pool and it’s absolute trash at tracking my laps even with the pool length set properly. It consistently tracks less than I do, I wouldn’t recommend.

Yep, I have swam with it about 8 miles a week for over a year and I love it. Zero issues.

I love my Apple Watch so much. I got it “renewed” (refurbished) for cheap on Amazon. It’s been great for a year now, zero issues.

I'd honestly rather not swim than go to the pool having forgotten my apple watch because if it's not recording my data I fear it doesn't count. Same for training at the gym. I'm dependent on this lil gadget that makes me feel like Kim Possible. I still count my lengths in my head but like the safety net of my watch to make sure I'm not losing track and it's fun to follow my data and changes over time.

I use it always!

I wore an Apple Watch while training for the Boston Marathon, running 60+ miles. Battery life is really a non-issue—the quick charge is very effective and so if you just drop it on a charger for 30-45 min while you get ready in the morning you’ll be fine. What was most annoying was lack of buttons. Wet clothing or raindrops triggering unintended touches is a major annoyance and the only option is to lock the touchscreen, which is annoying in its own way. Obviously you lose the Garmin training data side of things, which is a mixed bag. A lot of that stuff doesn’t really add much besides another thing to obsess over.

The bad review bias is strong because we happy customers don't have a need to spam reviews. I've had my 4 for couple of weeks now and I'm extremely happy with my product. I had the Gen 2 before this but the battery was so worn out after years of use that it was basically useless, so I decided to upgrade. The problem I had with the Gen 2 was that it was one size too large and it had hard time tracking my sleep reliably. With the 4 I decided to go with as small as possible. The first 4 days I was sceptical did I buy too small and I had to remove it from my finger time to time just because an unpleasant feeling. I did not had any actual physical symptoms. After I got used to it I don't feel it at all and it tracks everything perfectly. The battery in the 4 is simply amazing. I get like 6-7 days of battery. I have my charger at my desk so I just pop it in every once in a while when I remember. I think the battery size depends slightly on the ring size so just for the information I have size 10. I love the automatic activity tracking! It might not be as accurate in calories as my Apple Watch but it does detect all my activities correctly automatically and that's the most important thing for me. In Apple Watch I have to activate the activity in advance and with Oura I just simply confirm the activities afterwards when I remember. That's amazing feature! The stress meter is very eye opening for me and it gives me clues on what actually stresses me out and what helps me recover. I love my Oura 4 and I would buy it straight away again if it gets lost or breaks.

Well I've had my Apple Watch for 4 years and I still get solid 30 hours of battery. It means it still needs to be charged every night. To me 8 hours of battery in Apple Watch indicates that something is wrong with it.

I've had an Apple Watch and switched to the Coros Pace Pro. If you're only going to use the watch for crossfit and exclude any sort of running then I would say skip the pace pro. A lot of the stats is catered towards running/runners

Yes, wouldn’t be without it.

If you plan to wear it daily and you are inside apple’s ecosystem then it’s a no brainer for the apple watch

You can use strava I think to sync your swim workouts but it’s more focused for running and cycling, when I had the apple watch I just used the ios stock one and I think it does enough.

I use garmin and I love it. I used to have an Apple Watch for me it was the look. I can’t stand the square Apple Watch look but… Apple Watch is a smartwatch that can do some fitness tracking and garmin is a fitness tracker that can do some smartwatch

I use a sweatband over top of my Apple Watch. If I’m snatching I may turn it inside out as well. May not be perfect as I’ve definitely hit the face with the bell but so far so good.

I think the sleep tracking is pretty good. It usually makes me feel better about my sleep, actually. I often have a negative perception of my sleep, and sometimes the watch convinces me I slept longer\\better than I thought I did. lol It does provide some measures of cardio fitness measured in VO2 Max, lots of heartrate related measurements, respiratory rates, physical effort measured in METs, it does track calories and "active calories". I am not sure how accurate the measurements are, but I think they are accurate to themselves (ie if your trend is going up or down that is probably accurate). It also can count steps but that feature seems to not be emphasized. I had to use a third party app called Duffy to get a step complication on my watch face. This did allow me to replace my Fitbit. The steps counted were very close to the Fitbit's numbers when I was wearing them both. The watch definitely helps me. It tracks your progress each day (standing hours, exercise minutes, and active calories). You configure goals for yourself and the watch will periodically remind you. And if you don't make your goal, you have it forever marked against you on the calendar. This kind of pushes me to do the bare minimum to close my rings every day I can, lol. I definitely exercised more today than I wanted to (and more than I would have if I didn't have the watch) just to get the damn move ring closed. It works for me.

I go into the sauna with my apple watch so I can track my heart rate. My time in the sauna ends once my heart rate hits a certain level which I find to be much more helpful versus a set time. I'm guessing your watch will be fine in there as well.

Apple Watch for sure. I used my whoop for a while and the HR was wildly inaccurate. I could be sweating and tired on a high resistance portion on the bike and my HR would only show zone1-2….. I find my HR accuracy with my Apple Watch.

Apple Watch will do fine for a long time - only got a Garmin last year. However once you go to only having to charge your watch once every two weeks you just can’t go back to Apple. I have a Garmin Fenix (on the $$$ side) but I wear it every day as my normal watch too and have had zero issues making the switch. However there’s heaps in the range, I love accuracy, maps, long battery and lots and lots of data so I can overthink every run - so Fenix it is! The forerunners are great and the vivoactives are a good mid range model. There’s other brands like Suunto, Polar etc. For true accuracy on any wrist watch you may need a chest monitor. But if you really like your Apple Watch I found it pretty good unless you’re somewhere with not much reception

I have had many Fitbits, an Apple Watch and a Garmin Venu 3. The Fitbits have gone downhill since Google bought them and they usually break right when the warranty is over. So I can no longer recommend although I have owned at least 10 Fitbits over the years. I own an Apple Watch and never use it. It shows my calorie burn insanely high (I am talking several hundred calories high each day). And it has to be charged every day which is a pain. I've had my Garmin Venu 3 about an a year and a half. I like it a lot. It is not super complex but does what I want. Like all fitness tracker/watches it tend to over estimate calories a bit as did all of them. But it is closest to accurate.

Ive tried a few and here’s my feedback. Apple watch: it’s a smart watch not a fitness watch. It has improved recently (the latest models should be significantly more accurate than the one I had 4+ years ago) however for me personally it’s the distraction element that I do not like. I do not need another screen. Fitbit; data is ok for a beginner, but definitely not great or accurate for someone training 5-6x a week and combining cardio, sports, weights etc. Whoops: no screen which is a major + for me. Can wear it on wrist, bicep or underwear. Really good measurement of sleep and calculation of sleep/down time based on your daily activity. That helps a lot plan your sleep and have better recovery and as a consequence, perform great in the following day. I am quite curious to try Oura and Garmin (even though I’d hate to go back to screen wearables) maybe i’ll get one of them next year but so far, Whoop is 100% the best Fitness tracker out there imo. In addition, I’ve realized that in all High End resorts that I’ve been in the past 3 years, people wear 2 things: a rolex or a whoop 😂 so as a Henry I guess that’s a good indicator.

Do you have any details on what isn't accurate on the Garmins compared to other products? I had an apple watch for years but switched to a Forerunner 965 and have been very happy; didn't notice any accuracy differences. I can't even name 10 competitors in the smart watch market so I'm not sure if that's an exaggeration?

Only thing keeping me on whoop at this point is I like sleep tracking, but don’t like sleeping with my Apple Watch on..

I use it every swim. I also stopped using the apple fitness app for swimming because it gives inaccurate pace times. I installed the Swim.com app and it’s great, EXCEPT, it doesn’t pick up any kicking sets. If you can mimic the swim.com app, but toss in kicking, it would be the best.

Thing that blows me way about my AW is it’s ability to know what stroke you’re doing. My watch is about 98.5% or better on tracking yardage.

Apple does track splits automatically but it’s not super accurate. If you’re resting more than 5 seconds between repeats the sets are reasonably accurate. Total yardage is in the 99% accurate range for me

Current version of Apple Watch does record kick sets

Stroke recognition is pretty amazing I think. I’ve noticed errors lately on butterfly more often. Maybe my stroke is degrading and Apple is telling me I can’t acknowledge that crap as butterfly…

It is slightly less accurate than when tracking freestyle, but Im happy to have the feature.

I’m not missing the point at all. My watch gives me a pretty good record of my workout. I don’t use it at all DURING workouts— the pace clock is the right tool then obviously. Ive never used a Garmin but Apple is designed to be locked out during the actual workout. But for a good sense of what I have done over the course of the week, my watch is more than accurate enough (and mine is pretty consistently 98-99% over any given time frame— agree that it’s most vulnerable to errors on kick sets and some of my coaches favorite drills really mess it up) I can’t recall ever being off my more than 25y in a workout of up to 3500y) It frankly never occurred to me that anyone would use it in lieu of a pace clock. That’s crazy

Garmin >>>> Apple. I tried on Apple and didn’t like app on watch and the constant talking. Also screen harder to read. Garmin was easier and more customizable data screens

Garmin or Apple, you can get a solid run tracking watching from China for 40-50$ I think the Xiaomi Smart band is what Dr Mike uses and they're like 40$ and do adequate work. If you love apple and don't mind charging your watch every night, get the apple watch. If not Garmin.

I have RingConn and an Apple Watch. I use both daily. The watch has the most data. I utilize the ring for sleep tracking (I don’t sleep with watch). Watch is used for more stuff. Apple Pay, weather, timers, messages and more. Both are beneficial.

I went from Apple Watch to FR265s. I didn’t love my Apple Watch, it on my gave basic tracking features and battery died quickly, but the communication/phone functionality was definitely better. I much prefer the 265s to get more in depth training stats and love that it’s not as easily connected to my phone so I don’t have a mini phone on my wrist and get a break lol

For me, I don’t like to be ripped of. I’m not a junkie that must have the product. I don’t like the feeling of getting played because I “must have a thing”. I get on fine without it and use an Apple watch, which has the added benefit of unlocking my devices, apple pay, gps and voice control of my house 🤷 But no judgement. Get what suits your life 🫶

Just to add, I still have my Apple Watch and use it for exercise tracking as I think that’s the main thing the Oura doesn’t do as well. It still has some functionality so you could manage it all through it, but my Apple Watch and Strava sync into it anyway so I still use those alongside

I have both Garmin 945 and Apple Watch and they both get really close. Have doublechecked them against a polar device on my temple and all three were comparable.

I did the same thing. Got the apple watch once I cancelled and I charge it before bed every night and it lasts the entire day. That's the only thing Whoop will now have on apple watch. The charging.

Absolutely, but having the screen isn't all that bad. It is useful. You can also set notifications to a minimum if you don't like distractions. You can also set focus's which is great. It's also a significantly less burden on the wallet over time.

But only slightly. Heart rate is much more accurate on Apple Watch. That may change with 5.0 hardware/software update. But Apple Watch isn't a bad product at all. When you factor in the cost, I believe you get more bang for your buck with Apple Watch.

Good news is you can program your watch by either (or both) focus's and notifications. The watch isn't the same as whoop. But it gives you all of the same features depending on which subscriptions you have. They are all significantly less than whoop though. I frequently golf and was drawn to whoop years ago and I loved it. I learned a ton on what is good and what is bad for me. I cancelled shortly after the 4.0 drop because I already learned everything there is to know. But I still wanted the data. I just couldn't fathom spending an annual subscription that was as much as the Apple Watch itself when I didn't see Whoop trending in the right direction. Whoop 3.0 was it's peak. Once they started selling eye masks and new bands at a rate of 300% more than it was in the blink of an eye, I was out. I use; Bevel = $50/year Heart Analyzer = $9/one time fee HeartWatch = $6/one time fee AutoSleep = $6/one time fee Heart Analyzer and HeartWatch both offer V02 Max, Bevel will probably offer this in the future. All of the above offer HRV. AutoSleep measures HRV during sleep and upon waking (Breathe app is recommended which is free) The others track HRV through SDNN and RMSSD. Whoop tracks it more often, however you still get multiple readings per day with the other apps and can manually trigger it using the Breathe app. Bevel is the highest cost but also provides you: * Recovery score * Stress score * Energy bank * Sleep score * Sleep recommendations * Strain score * Strength builder * Journal * Lifestyle impact analysis * Training zones * complication/widgets for the watch Autosleep: * Automatic sleep detection * Plethora of sleep metrics and analysis * Sleep bank * Smart alarm

I use my Apple Watch and Seconds Pro.

I use mine to count laps as well

Compared to my 4 year old Apple Watch it‘s really slow. And the UI is terrible.

I switched back to Apple Watch after a week 😜

Apple Watch is already in the post

I use the smartwod app on my phone to set the interval. Plays over my music + counts down to start/stop. I just use my Apple Watch to track distance but have been debating on switching back to Garmin for more accurate miles.

Mine stopped syncing last week, exactly 1 year and a week after I bought it.. Got a brand new Apple watch in the black friday sale..

Apple Watch is the obvious answer

My Apple watch closely matches the heart rate given by hospital equipment, but my skin is very pale, which makes optical sensors work much better. If you happen to also be pale, there's a good chance that a high quality Android-based watch will work similarly well. Not a very helpful suggestion if you're not on the pasty side, sorry! Best of luck with your recovery!

You'll get basically all the tracking (Apple will surely have blood pressure monitoring if Whoop does). And if you like the Whoop app's style of Strain, Sleep, journalling etc.. you can get an app like Bevel or Athlytic for a couple of bucks a month. Personally I'll be ditching my Whoop due to this pricing and using my Apple Watch with Bevel.

I like the simplicity of the coros pace pro. I dont get overloaded with notifications like my apple watch and the battery life is amazing.

The Apple Watch really just felt like a second phone on my wrist with a few fitness tracking features. I didn’t need to see that I got a Gmail notification on my wrist and my phone at the same time. The constant clearing of notifications from my phone and watch was really annoying. After turning off all of those features to make it more fitness focused, I thought why am I paying for this when I could spend around the same amount of money and get more features that I want with the garmin? So I am keeping the garmin over the Apple Watch.

Ugh - tried to use my Apple Watch to push heart rate to garmin for calculations / metrics - no go … third party apps can “display” but garmin cannot ingest the data to interpret/compute. What gets me is that Apple is so slow to make a viable alternative yet it’s got a stranglehold on the wearables market. Annoying.

Exactly this. When you use a Garmin you can tell it was clearly built for purpose (endurance sports), and Apple Watch is clearly not. Just different uses and different uses.

I have always used my Apple Watches to track sleep. The newer ones charge quickly so it’s never been a problem, plus the newer ones charge ultra last multiple days.

I did Apple Watch forever but got tired of being “so connected” Moved to whoop a few months ago. It’s ok… not sure I love it or really understand everything it’s telling me, but it does the trick

I’m just getting back into swimming after like 25yrs and have been using my Apple Watch paired with the swim.com app on it and my phone(free). I really like that it syncs with my Apple health. I can ideally load my workout onto it, it’s fairly accurate in knowing how much of a rest I take etc.

I switched from Garmin to AW. I found HealthFit, which is free. If you’re a runner, HealthFit is a must. Other than that, I rely on Apple for everything else.

I can run on trails without my phone and the GPS still gives me accurate distance/pace. It's just a better engineered product specific to athletes (runners, bikers, swimmers, etc). The Apple Watches spans across so many features that it doesn't do the core things a runner needs from a watch as good as a Garmin (coming from a 800-1500 middle distance runner). If your a sprinter I guess an apple watch will do bc all ya need is a timer.

I have Apple and it’s the worst thing ever. It locks itself into water mode restricting you from using stop watch etc.

That must have been a long time ago… I have used Apple Watches for about 6 years, and it’s always identified the stroke!

At the moment I’m comparing my Apple Watch with a Garmin Fenix 6x Pro that I bought recently. On most swims the Garmin will record a distance about 20-25% higher than the Apple Watch. There are a few swims that I do that I can easily verify the distance on a map (eg where we swim along a river from one bridge to another) and for those, the Apple Watch normally gets the distance about right, so I think generally the Garmin overestimates distance. I don’t see why the watches should give different distance though - like someone else commented, GPS is easily accurate enough to measure distances like this to within a few feet. Both watches might be trying to measure some kind of “effective distance”, eg swimming 1 mile upstream should count for more than 1 mile downstream, but I’ve never seen that written down anywhere. If you really care how far you’ve swum, record your swim with a watch, but then manually measure the GPS track on a real map.

I wear a whoop on a bicep band and swap out my SMP for an Apple Watch when I go to the gym

If you're already in the Apple ecosystem then an Apple Watch will be good choice that's pretty straightforward to use. A Garmin Instinct2 is also a good, relatively low cost option, but you'll need to use the free Garmin Connect app on your iPhone to view your exercise data. The Garmin is more complicated to set up.

PS, battery life is 1-2 days on the Apple Watch and up to 28 days on the Garmin

This! I had a Whoop and Apple Watch at the same time. I was out swimming and the Apple Watch screen came off and was flapping in the water. Never bothered to get a new one, I don’t need a watch, I want a fitness/health device and screens are just a failure point.

I just the Apple fitness app with my Apple watch. Does everything I want it to do and more.

I use my Apple Watch and the [Swim.com](http://Swim.com) app to count my laps every morning at the pool.

I have an Apple Watch but I’ve recently started working in the medical field and wearing a watch increases infection risks. I rather have slightly worse accuracy than catch an infection because gloves don’t cover watches well.

As a long time user, I may just upgrade my Apple Watch and cancel whoop . This is getting ridiculous and for that price + some extra cash get a new Apple Watch.

Fitbit is the least reliable. Apple Watch is ok. If it’s really important to you, get a real running watch. Even an entry level model will be better. Or stick with the Apple Watch. It’s not terrible, just not super accurate and the battery life leaves a lot to be desired.

Yes they are pretty rubbish for swimming. I just switched to a Garmin Fenix which hopefully will be better. The Apple Watch managed lap counting ok for me but open water was a disaster and the rest of its counting (calories etc) was also well off by the looks of it. Your does sound even more broken than just being rubbish though. It should be able to count laps fairly accurately, I think most of them can do that ok.

My Apple Watch adds a lap here and there.

I use my Apple Watch to track the run, and the RunIntervals app to give me run/walk alerts

I do really short intervals (:30/1:00) so programming that for a long run would be terrible. And I don’t always catch the haptic alerts from my watch. Audio alerts work better, and I run with my phone anyway.

I also have an AmazeFit and like it. It last a way long than my Apple Watch ever did. I have several pairs of Tozo headphones that are great, so I’d trust that brand. I’m not an audiophile though, just casual need to hear podcasts and music headphones user.

Same. I swim with it 3-4 times a week and take couple of saunas on those days. I usually mostly palm it while sitting in the sauna to shield it from some of the löyly.

Well. Yes and no. I swim multiple times a week and go from the pool to sauna and back without removing my Apple Watch. Obviously would not wear my watch if only for sauna.

I use it every time, mostly for counting laps.

I use my apple watch. I bought it for the heart rate monitor and afib detection before I started Chemotherapy since a lot of the chemo drugs really do a number on your heart. Now I use it mostly to track my burn throughout the day.

Try the Apple Watch you already have. You’ll like it enough or not.

If you’re an apple person, apple watch is the answer.

There’s an app called Work Outdoors on Apple Watch. Works well for me.

That’s what I did a few years ago. My Apple Watch +Athlytic. I was an early adopter of whoop 3.0 and a day 1 4.0 but spending hundreds a year wasn’t worth it anymore if I’m always wearing Apple Watch. It’s like $30 a year for Athlytic and tells me everything I need to know

I’ve run with AW for about 5 years including marathon blocks up to 60 mpw. No complaints. No battery issues…will easily last a full marathon and the rest of the day. Some HR accuracy issues early on, but seems to have been solved by playing with bands and placement. Personally I don’t mind double-tapping the screen to lap during track work.

I have an apple watch. When I flare, my resting heart rate is about 15 beats faster per minute than when I am healthy.

Only ever used an Apple Watch, had a Fitbit charge 2 before that but that always needed phone to be connected for GPS etc. I think the Apple Watch is very accurate

I found that the Apple Watch goes a bit funky if you pause the timer after intervals . Usually you get that Apple Watch kind of tacks on a “lap” that is blank in distance , with a time on it . Occasionally if I do a lap where I extend my dolphins quite a bit , it triggers the watch to say I was doing butterfly rather than freestyle . The other time it goes funky is when I start swimming at the start of a session without activating the watch at all (ie : I am just warming up ) . Once I try to start a timer it actually begins part way through an interval , and records the warm up as no distance .

I think by wanting text messaging, calls and voice assistant you’re limiting yourself to an Apple Watch or similar. Depends on how seriously you take your running as I’d always suggest a Garmin / Coros etc but those are running watches with some (minimal) smart watch features. It sounds like you’re wanting a smartwatch with some running features, so Apple Watch.

I can do this with the workout app in my Apple Watch, just set the activity to pacing or create a manual workout. If you’re not satisfied with that maybe NRC could work?

I depend on my watch for counting lengths and time for determining pace. Previously I used to swim without it, but having used it for more than a year I find it a great help in the pool.

I have had my Oura 4 for about two weeks. I’ve only had to charge it twice! I haven’t had any issues with the physical quality either. I’ve used an Apple watch for tracking for about a year. All of my data from Oura is super comparable. I feel like the sleep is much more accurate, I love the temperature tracking / integration with Natural Cycles, and I LOVE how it adjusts your activity goal based on other data. For sizing, I chose an 8. It was the size that could fit on my index finger tightly, middle finger comfortably, and room to move to my ring finger if I was super swollen.

The Apple Watch probably is more accurate but has significantly less frequency when not in workout mode. Still, the Apple Watch can replace a Whoop but the Whoop can’t replace an Apple Watch.

I used to have an Apple Watch but got rid of it for accuracy reasons for running marathons. Had to buy a Garmin to get accurate km splits and accurate instant pace. I use my Garmin also for swimming now. If it’s a decision between Garmin and Apple and you want accurate and reliable data I would go with Garmin every time. Also consider if you ever want to do open water swimming as many watches do pool swimming only and that doesn’t work at all well in open water. Good luck with your whatever you decide.

I use mine every single time. What is your app idea? I mostly ask because I can’t think of anything I want my Apple Watch to do for swimming that it doesn’t already do.

If you have an iPhone I wouldn’t even consider anything but Apple Watch or gamin Apple Watch never fails at counting laps and has the best wrist based heart rate sensor, both in and out of water

Inversely, I never had more than more than one lap difference between Apple Watch and real measurement

If you got an iPhone : Apple Watch, or garmin as a second choice Otherwise : garmin all the way Apple Watch is the most accurate both for distance, heart rate, does automatic stroke detection, and you can upload your workouts to it which makes it easy to follow during your swim Garmin does all these too, but less accurately for swimming at least

What I do, just to have a weekly goal, is track all food in MacroFactor. And then, with my Apple Watch, I have a goal to burn 3500 workout calories, tracked in the streaks app. It really started helping me to keep the two separate worth the two different systems/apps, rather than combining them like other food tracker apps do. I can manage my calorie intake much more accurately this way and not feel the need to eat extra

How accurate is the GPS, especially when running through woods or on overcast days? I've found Apple watches and even lower end Garmins don't handle position tracking very well in those conditions. Sometimes they'll be as much as a half mile off for a several mile run. That's the only time I can't fault the Fenix series watches, the GPS is nearly flawless. The only thing I've found more accurate is a handheld.

I tried Whoop and Apple Watch. In general, I think it might just be around your WOD habits. I find myself more focused on the tasks and technique needed and/or strategy when not using a tracker. Plus, if you use any kind of grips or wrist wraps it’s not efficient to get all that together. My 2 cents: get a WOD tracker app like BTWB and log your reps, weights and workouts. It’s oddly not perfect but, if you want some sort of tracking going that’s good. TLDR: whoop is expensive and will tell you that you are exhausted when you are obviously exhausted (listen to your body). apple watch is expensive and I was sceptical of the durability when using various weight types.

Apple Watch. Works great for what I need

I use an Apple Watch. My last one cost $400 and lasted 4+ years. It was honestly still fine after 4 years, but the battery life was struggling a bit. I was able to trade it in for $70 credit when getting the new version.

Swimming is the one sport my Apple Watch was better at than my Coros. Never missed a lap, even detected kickboard sets, where on a Coros or Garmin those don’t register at all.

Hard disagree on the watch. The Apple Watch is essential to my day to day. I’ve been using it every day since it initially launched back in like 2015. I use it for keeping me off the phone because I get my notifications on my wrist, controlling my music and Podcasts, tracking my exercise, setting reminders, doing shopping lists, setting timers to keep my kids on track, keeping me focused, and of course telling the time. When I don’t have my Apple Watch, I definitely feel less productive. The Ring however, I have absolutely no idea what purpose it serves.

I have an Apple Watch but I wish I had a Garmin. 😥

Nike Run Club app and it’s training program on my Apple Watch. Sometimes it’s slow to update the phone app, but overall very happy with it.

Apple Watch. Works well for me

It’s never missed a lap for me, even though I’ve heard this reported for others. I always touch the wall with my hand wearing the watch though. Someone said to do that

I’ve swam maybe 100 times with Apple Watch. It’s been off maybe twice, by one lap. Dunno what to tell you though

Track your swim workouts using the built-in Apple Fitness app on Apple Watch, then analyze performance data with SwimNow.

TBH at this point it is much better investing it on a Garmin, apple watch or an aura ring and that's from my perspective only I am about 80% sure I wont resub and wont upgrade

apple watch was dying before i could finish 16 miles :/ garmin is the way to go!

I’ve had a couple of AW’s and 3 Garmins. They all tracked laps pretty well. The AW automatically detects kick sets whereas the Garmin needs you to log them in drill mode.

Sadly apple watch barely has battery for one day even the premium models

For swimming I find Apple Watch the best in tracking literally never missed a lap. For training load garmin is really good they have really good stats. Whoop is overhyped and expensive plus it’s a basically subscription every month till cancelled, no functionality if u stop paying, and it’s rubbish at tracking workouts basically any weighted workout u need to manually input and only good thing about it is sleep coach

Fake news! 😉 I charge mine when I shower every day. That’s all it needs to stay fully charged day-to-day. Yes, you caaaaan charge it during the night, but there’s no reason to. Edit: Mine is going on 4 years old and still only needs shower-time charging.

Apple watch in the gym only for me. Oura ring everywhere else. Good point on the degloving, absolute nightmare.

Yes! Same— well marathons. I need the insights Whoop provides. I will say however that the most accurate HR monitor I have is my Garmin HRM Pro but I’m not gonna wear that thing all day and night. Plus Whoop has a community, I am a part of a “team” that is very active on chat which motivates and inspires me. I have an Apple Watch which dies too quickly. I also have a Fenix 8 which is clunky as hell.

Apple Watch for tracking. Used to use WorkOutDoors as the tracking app, but after the new Training load feature I switched back to the native Workouts app. I also recently started using Tempo as a running log app to see run stats and see my weekly progress. And since I am a data nerd I also use HealthFit to see some additional stats about workouts. All the above apps are except Tempo are a single time payment. Tempo is $2 per month, so not expensive at all.

I had an Apple watch and different types of fitbit before but now i’m using the Garmin Lily and i like it. I chose it because it’s not too big or bulky and it does look a little bit more like a classic watch. It also depends on what type of infos you want to tracks. The app is also free to use.

I use Apple Watch. I'm doing recomp right now - I was using it to track my calorie exertion, but then I found it wasn't very accurate. I'm not sure any are for things outside of like, a walk. Apple Watch overestimates weight training. The only thing I'd use tracking for is set amounts and type of lift, and I'm doing that in an Apple Note. I'm not really sure if a fitness tracker is worth it outside of heart rate. For calorie and exertion, using a scale and tracking what I eat seems to be the most accurate. Anyone got a counter argument?

Apple Watch is great for strength training, just with the obvious issues of battery life.

My AW was reliable but my 965 counts extra laps and confused itself on strokes.

I tried using my apple watch at an indoor 25 yard pool and it did extremely poorly. It was off by about 100 yards at the 1000 yard mark.

I haven’t used a Garmin in ages but I am planning to switch back. I really like the “track” feature on Apple which identifies when you’re at a track and massively improves the accuracy by locking you into a lane. Does Garmin have this now?

I have an oura ring, it’s brilliant for telling me when I’m starting to shown signs of a flare or another illness. I also have an Apple Watch but the oura has rendered it pretty much redundant now

I find the Apple Watch tracking pretty good, tbh. That said, I autoimport all my workouts into Strava, and I generally use that to review.

If you use an iPhone, Apple Watch is an excellent choice as it integrates nicely into the Apple ecosystem. Price will exceed your budget, but you can earn back the money spent through LumiHealth, which gives you HPB eVouchers you can use at various places including Fairprice. I’ve made >$500 to date with LumiHealth.

I use my Apple Watch but that’s obviously a different tier of electronics than most Fitbits.

I do swim with it but I don't believe their calorie count, is it even close to being accurate?

Thats great to hear since I just grabbed an apple watch on discount for prime day

My Apple Watch only overcounts my steps by about 2000 per day in a tractor. Oddly enough, it always thinks I'm doing an elliptical workout when I'm driving on one particular road with a grain cart.

I have only had experience with the Apple watch, but I would recommend it with the use of a rowing-specific app. I don't find the built-in rowing workout activity to be that great. I have used the PocketCox app for a few months now, pretty happy with it. The only thing I'm missing is calories burned but it does grab HR, stroke count, avg stroke rate, split rate, distance, and will track the time when I'm rowing vs setting the boat. ETA: activity and calories do make their way over to Apple Fitness though via this workout. I just don't get a nice summation of the estimated calories burned during my workout. Also can import into the C2 Log.

Cheap, plastic, good sport watch which is max 200$ worth. Source: I have it and I also have an Apple watch

In my experience with the Apple Watch, it’s not super accurate. I posted on this a little while ago, but for example, in my 8x100s set, there are many times where it will only register 75 out of the 100. It’s not super accurate to the point where you can use it to register splits. I reckon this is why it’s not used for practice in a competitive setting. If you want to know how you’re doing during a set, you still need feedback from a coach or the clock on the pool deck.

Apple watch has better sleep tracking than WHOOP

Apple Watch linked to HealthFit/ Strava.

I enjoy my Apple watch tracking my swims so much I will turn around and go back home if I forget it.

I have one but still use my Garmin after not enjoying the interface on the Apple Watch about 18 months ago. I understand the UX has gotten better and doesn’t require using a 3rd party app any longer. Is this true? Do y’all use a 3rd party app? Thanks

Rings aren't really designed for this so they'll be quite off. Watches aren't perfect either but they are much better suited for exercise. Apple and pixel watch in particular are really good at monitoring your heart rate

Indeed. If OP has an iPhone it’s hard to not recommend AW.

Apple Watch has a wheelchair mode https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102253 Scroll down to the Physical and Motor skills section

Stryd pod, goes directly on the shoe. It’s a little expensive but extremely accurate and reliable. Remember to cancel the subscription! It makes you purchase a subscription when buying. I use it indoors and outdoors, it’s the most accurate one I’ve found. I tried Apple Watch, garmin watch and garmin hrm, they all either under estimate or severely over estimate my pace. The Stryd stays within .1 of what I’m doing.

I just use my Apple Watch and don’t do anything fancy.

Apple Watch in sauna for years.

I constantly use my AW. I haven’t tried the others, so I can’t comment which is best.

It’s great for running. It’s great for cycling. It’s great for general cardio. It’s great for battery life. Sleep tracking. Training readiness. Training plans/programs/suggested workouts. It’s kinda trash for weightlifting. My method is to turn off the rep counting (not accurate anyway and a pain to adjust). Start a “strength — free” workout. And let it just run without touching it. I use the Hevy app for tracking my actual workouts—exercise, sets, reps. When you finish the workout you can either leave your garmin workout as it is, or you can manually input your exercises via the app or website in connect (which is a pain, especially since garmin doesn’t have a large database of machines or exercises so you can’t always put everything you did accurately). I don’t think whoever designed the strength training aspect of the software has ever been in a gym. All that being said, I still prefer it over my Apple Watch because it does everything else so much better.

Yep that’s all the Garmin one does UNLESS you pre-make a weight program in connect and send it to your watch to do. And I ain’t got time for all that. It does track my heart rate and active calories etc which is enough for me. I used Hevy when I had Apple Watch and I still use it now with Garmin and it’s nice to have all that data history regardless of what I’m wearing.

Yep I always use it for swimming and paddling. Would really love a paddle app

Hi! I use and like the Garmins. I'm also an athlete all my life, was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 3 years ago, have had covid twice. Garmin's do track sleep, deep and restless and hours. So, if you're trying different stuff, (routines, drugs, supplements, exercise, etc.) the garmin will give you feedback over time about length and quality of sleep so you can see what works. Garmin also tracks pulseOX. I used this when I had covid ... and watched it go down, from high 90s, to 90s, then high 80s. At 83 I was short of breath and felt like my lungs were full .... go to the hospital if you get into the 70s, I didn't get that low. So, ya, an "acute" use case but, I could use it to tell when to go to the hospital or not. Other folks use the cheap finger pulse ox, but, I could do continuous monitoring with the Garmin. You can also track your pulse ox and other levels in general, and see, again over months of time, if your training is making you "fitter" or not. Are your recovery times from hard workouts getting shorter. Garmin has a "body battery" that can tell you if you're ready for another workout. Garmin also tracks resting heart rate. Folks can often tell if they're "getting sick" before they feel symptoms from changes in resting heart rate and monitoring over time. Garmin connect can also track weight (if you have a compatible wifi smart scale) as well as blood pleasure (if you have the garmin brand blood pressure cuff) In the past, I have also used apple watch and apple health. Apple can also track sleep and pulse ox and resting heart rate. I prefer the Garmin system, and feel they have a wider range of metrics, and the battery life of their watches are far superior to anything else. I hates with apple watch having to recharge once ever day or so, vs ever few weeks with the garmin.

Apple Watch. it's not perfect, but a ballpark lap count is good enough for me.

I got an Apple Watch from CEX for £50 and it’s been working just fine if you don’t want to spend too much.

apple watch works well. It counts the laps, detects breaks and stroke automatically. You have to set the lane length manually though (default is 25m). It also counts the strokes and SWOLF value. The apple watch SE is fully sufficient for swimming.

My Apple Watch tracks kickers sets with breast kick, but never recognizes the other kicks. Maybe my kick is too slow? Well regardless, my kick is too slow.

I recon I see about 20% of people wearing watches in there. I bought a 'super tough' watch to take in but it broke anyway. Apple watches seem to be okay but it's a risk. It is pretty cool to use the timer and also to see your heart rate change.

Sleep data is great with the right tools - SleepWatch on AppleWatch is fantastic for seeing deviations from the usual baseline. Giving insights and recommendations and ideal bedtimes. It’s great to see how a good a workout improves sleep metrics whilst alcohol absolutely destroys it. Once you see this it’s hard to ignore. All of that said, AppleWatch now has an onboard app called ‘vitals’ which basically does the above and shows things in a nice simple format. I’ve had a Whoop and felt it best for those who train a lot of cardio and utilise the rest/recovery feature.

‘Value for money’ is very much a subjective measure. The impact having a whoop band has had on my sleep and recovery is easily worth the cost. I used an Apple Watch and a sleep app before this, but the results were nothing like as good.

Sounds like the 165 fits with what you’re looking for. If you change your goals and habits in the future you can always upgrade. I rocked an Apple Watch for years and finally got tired of it running out of battery, especially on longer races. The forerunner 265 is what I got and it’s been a game changer now. 

I hope you like your Garmin, I felt like the heart rate monitor was absolutely terrible on x2 tactical, no where near any of my Apple Watch’s or whoops. I’m excited To have ecg on a whoop.

I use Coros Pace 2 after trying Apple Watch and finding the GPS was not accurate enough. I've had my Pace 2 for two years now and it's great. It measures distance and relevant body metrics accurately in my opinion. I think it is mainly for running, and does running great, and I don't need it for anything else, so it's perfect for me. I hear Garmins are also great but I think they have extra features that I don't particularly need and therefore don't have to pay for. One caveat - in the past few weeks I've wondered if the (always stellar) battery life on my Coros is flagging. It's a two-year-old watch and not the latest model. Up until the past few weeks, it keeps a charge for like two weeks at a time, and I run 6 days a week.

I use my Apple Watch exclusively for swimming, and yeah, the “water mode” can be tricky at first—it definitely makes stopping a workout slower for new users. The best method I’ve found is to pause the workout first (press the crown and side button together). Then, once I’m out of the water, I disable water mode (hold the crown so it ejects water) and stop the workout. Works like a charm and keeps everything accurate! Would love to see a comparison next time you use both watches—same workout, same duration, but with more data!

I train only with my Apple Watch—mainly for counting laps and analyzing pace via the auto-sets. It’s not perfect, but out of all swim watch options, I’ve found it to be the best. If you’re planning to create an app, it would have to be **significantly better than the native workout app** to be worth switching. Ideally, it should count laps, strokes, and time more accurately—but I’m not sure if that still fits under “simple.”

Probably the opposite to you. I used to wear my Apple watch for everything but got sick of the notifications and this “always on” feeling so have gone back to an omega for my daily and then smart watch for workouts 😅

I use my watch, but use the "swim.com app" to track my laps in the pool. Only downside is it doesn't track if if I do kick sets.

I have Oura and Apple Watch. For years, AW passively fed me data and I made no lifestyle changes. After a month of Oura grading me every morning, I started taking sleep seriously. Two years later, I've gone from 5 hours to 7-7.5. Life changing stuff. My RHR is down 25%, HRV is up. Oura's daily score keeps me honest. AW is better activity tracker. Oura is better at sleep, recovery, nudging you towards change. If you're susceptible to being graded and interested in recovery and sleep metrics, Oura is for you. For activity tracking, I'd skip it.

Apple Watch ftw. I killed 4 fitbits in a year and upgraded to an Apple Watch 6 years ago. I’m now on my second Apple Watch which I only upgraded because I wanted the new features. My daughter in law has my old watch and it still works! I do use TachyMon though, it helps me to know when I’m overdoing it.

Apple Watch is hot garbage for swimming indoors. It’s like they designed a swim profile without ever consulting people who actually swim. I throw on my 8 year old Garmin 935 for pool swims.

Used to do Apple Watch and switched to Garmin, but not for daily tracking. I did it specifically because of the data it gives me for workouts, and the training plans. It’s a training watch. I think all the stuff you mentioned for me I don’t really need a lot of frills around, really. A simple line chart showing me VO2 max over time is fine. My Garmin Fenix shows me my current estimated VO2 max right on the face. I do like how Garmin charts HRV, but neither Apple or Garmin should be considered best for this if you really care. Wrist is just not an ideal location for it, even if Whoop had done well. I use Oura for sleep tracking. Apple and Garmin BOTH are kinda weak here. What Garmin does do well is show me trends of HRV, and from that it can be useful in terms of telling me recovery impact to training. Ultimately I view Garmin as a training device and Apple Watch as a lifestyle device. Both are about the same for daily tracking of activities and Garmin can feed Apple Health. If you like Apple nudging you to “close the rings” you’re maybe more of an Apple Watch candidate than Garmin. If you like Garmin telling you that today you should run intervals or ride a long zone 2 ride then you’re a Garmin candidate. I also hated having notifications and apps and stuff on my wrist. It was cool at first and then it was annoying and distracting. My big motivation away from Apple Watch was this. First I stopped wearing it at all. Since my goal is training data I was doing activity tracking from my phone and it was unwieldy. I looked at trackers like Fitbits and Whoops and stuff and settled on Garmin. Admittedly I kinda needed out on the data and the maps of the Fenix. I do some remote canoeing and hiking and thought the maps would be really useful. I think the only thing I really want from my watch is some ability to control audio from it. Admittedly Garmin isn’t strong here: they do have Spotify but no way to do Apple Music or Audible or anything, and what you can do is limited. So if I want to run or ride with music or a book my phone always comes with me. I remember when Apple Watch first let you do music from the Watch back in like 2016 and it was really cool at first, then I didn’t care and was bringing my phone on runs anyway. Since you asked about badges and motivation and whatnot: as mentioned Apple has really nice stuff, but I view it as more pedestrian oriented. Ultimately I didn’t ever feel motivated by it. Garmin seems to have tried to get into the social game, too, but I don’t know many people that use this and do gamification. They have a great badge system built more around training than anything else. That said… As another poster mentioned, I also use Strava and Strava as a social media platform is far more motivating for me. If you’re into training at all, look into it. Strava tells you about your previous times on a segment, for instance, and whether you’re getting a PR. It does Q/KOM (Queen or King of the Mountain). It can show you routes and segments in your area. It has a great interface for breaking down training data as well. Garmin is better for like overlaying cycling power with heart rate and elevation, but Strava gives you a lot of this data as well. You can feed Strava with either Apple or Garmin. At the end of the day my opinion on why to chose Garmin is if you want the training planning and tracking. If you have a goal like a race then it’s a pretty cool coach. If you have a program you’re already following and just want to track against it then it matters a lot less. The only other winning thing is depending on model you can get Garmins with incredible battery life. My Fenix 7 gets almost a month on a charge. My wife charges her Apple Watch daily. I’d probably go without a smart watch before going back to an Apple Watch because all of the cool features of an Apple Watch are lost on me.

+1 for Apple Watch. It does all the things you’re asking and has a plethora of workout options. As far as accuracy, they’re pretty much all the same according to my research and googling. And obviously it pairs really well with an iPhone if your husband uses one.

Apple Watch or coros pace 3 are both good. Both can recognise which stroke you are doing

Switching from FitBit to Apple for this exact reason.

Tbh… nothing but disappointment from the Apple Watch I had. Ended up dying a month after warranty. Despite the fact that I took it in before warranty ended and said it was having trouble charging, they said too bad. Went to a garmin 745 worked flawlessly for the last 5 years. I’ll Never buy an Apple Watch again.

Swim.com app on the Apple Watch shows rest time. It’s a free app and at this point I have years and years of data to compare.

Oh yeah exactly. I don’t think it even shows proper times. It appears sometimes to evenly split my session into equal increments when I know my first 50 is faster than my midway 50.

I track my workouts with my Apple Watch and automatically upload the stats to Strava.

I've had an Apple Watch for a long time and there are some things to be aware of. Where the Apple Watch shines is if you have an iPhone, it's integrated very well. You can leave your phone behind and have your music, calls, Facebook messenger, calendar alerts. It's more of a smartwatch with a tracker in it secondary. A lot of the measurements are generally accurate, to not at all depending on the type of data you give it. When I switched to more zone 2 cardio it gave me the vo2 max of an old man, which an actual study showed was far from the truth. They aren't super accurate for running including on a team and there's no adjustment after, where I believe you can with a Garmin. After testing as close as I can from a track to a trail mine varies from 10% margin minimum. My sleep doc doesn't look at any watch sleep tracking, not sure if that's standard. I used it for Crossfit for years, it was fine. not great.

Just signed up - all I really want is better vo2 max calcs than my Apple Watch (Garmin was 11 pts higher) and lactate threshold calculations so I can dial in my zones. None of that needs to be on the watch.  A metronome on the watch would be cool, though 

I have an Apple Watch and it works for every except sleep since you got to charge it. For sleep I use the Oura Ring, that is really good. And for calories and macro tracking I use Cal AI

Apple Watches are 5ATM but I'm a bit paranoid, so I bought a watch cover for some extra protection. Maybe find out if you can buy a watch cover for any smartwatch you go for. For non-Apple watches.. I've heard Galaxy watch 5 is pretty good for swimming and it has eSim. The water is the issue though. Water is very bad with RF signals. It's going to be much easier for a message or a notification to come through, taking the watch in and out of water when swimming. I recommend to get any watch you like, a good case for it for some extra water protection and ask the school to prefer sending a message before calling.

In case you didn't know, Apple Watch can also do the intervals without any additional apps. The built-in workout app has the capability

The only two issues are battery and lack of ultra sport software of Garmin. Otherwhile, all the metrics work extremely well on the Apple watch

You can program intervals into an Apple Watch or Garmin. No external app needed.

I just wear my Apple Watch when I run or work out. Don’t need it all the time tbh.

I’ve had mine for 6 months and still love it! Upgraded from the Ionic which lasted 5 years and leave my bulky, expensive, short battery life Apple Watch in my drawer.

Apple Watch is amazing. Shockingly accurate for distances and heart rate

Just finished my first 70.3 with an AW. It’s amazing. Contrary to what most people think, garmins are just not that accurate. Not even in the top 10. Shocking but true.

I love my Apple Watch. Had it for 6 years now. It's great at keeping me accountable too.

I used some, and they are really useful (lost already 20 kg, tracking my progress with an Apple watch). Rn i switched to android, and I miss the tracking thing, and the various automations i did with it (for both fitness, home and work), impossible with both of them

Yeah but it can't be connected with android, so the data held only in the watch is pretty useless... and the battery is a bit dead

Steps, sleep, mindfulness, water cups (optional), workouts synced with strava/hevy for metrics

I do, but the HR measurements underwater are quite a hit and miss. I typically have to do 2 - 3 laps in the workout mode (before starting) and adjust my watch band so it is snug and further down my arm to get a good measurement and the algorithms to calibrate. Otherwise, I tend to lose measurements mid-swim. After that it's reliable only 80% of the time. I don't have these issues with a Polar Verity or a Garmin watch. Apple Watch just kinda sucks for it presumably - I think - because it is not very hydrodynamic and the bands are not very sturdy. And this is only for the less hectic swim styles. Good luck getting reliable measurements doing breaststroke, for example, lol.

I would find a sports medicine doctor and get a full work up. It couldn’t hurt to track your recovery. I use an Apple Watch and Athlytic for this purpose and to track my sleep. I think it’s a good idea for everyone. And I doubt I’ll give you much insight about why you’re not gaining muscle. Good luck!

Same. Never had an issue.

Mine had been exposed to 190 range :)

Yeah it’s ridiculous that Apple can sense a kick board set and garmin can’t.

I'm a convert from Apple, but I have to admit this is a weaker side of Garmin. Easily overcounts pools, while Apple Watch was rock solid for this :/.

I’m using an Apple Watch and in free trial with whoop at the moment. Really tempted to keep it because it seems much smarter than the Apple Watch but a lot of that is reliable sleep tracking? The AW battery isn’t fit for purpose with that unless maybe getting the ultra but it’s v bulky

Yeah I second Apple Watch. It misses a lap while I’m swimming but I count on my head anyway

I’ve had an Apple Watch since it came out, but if you’re an android user, you’ll probably prefer something like a Fitbit. My Apple Watch tracks everything from my O2 and breathing to heat rate and body temperature. Since the latest update, it also tells me when I’m over-training - which I have a huge tendency to do. I also have Apple Fitness Plus and I find their yoga classes are as good or better than most of the live classes I’ve gone to.

My Apple Watch is terribly inaccurate. Misses laps and seems to only count part of a lap at times which in a pool is odd. I’m a former college swimmer and from talking to others who are efficient and take few strokes per lap it seems to be off as well for them

Doesn’t work at all for me. Constantly misses counting laps. Doesn’t like when I kick in streamline either. I used to swim competitively and get about 10 yards off each wall and only take about 4-6 strokes of the watch arm, so not sure if that’s what’s doing it in, but I find it hilariously inaccurate

Aren’t the pros you mentioned already there in Apple Watch? I have detailed sleep tracking and vitals available on my Apple Watch

My Apple Watch sometimes miscounts my lengths by missing 25m here and there. But by the end of my workout, it’s 300m off and it’s usually showing less than I actually did

My Apple Watch is so inaccurate.

If you have an Apple watch just get Athlytic app, save you a fortune and has all of whoops functionality

+1 for Applewatch. Love the data I get from mine.

The apple watch is quite inaccurate with the things important for running like heart rate and even distance. My friend and I even tested the distance stuff. We ran a route that we have marked with one of those wheel distance trackers to be 5 miles. I tracked with a Garmin and a GPS app on my phone she tracked with an apple watch and a different GPS app on her phone. The apple watch said 5.3 miles my watch said 5.01 my GPS app said 5.08 and hers was 5.05. also her heart rate was all over the place according to her watch which she's on very good shape and for an easy run should have a relatively even heart rate the whole time

Personally, I was always using a Fitbit for the past 4 years or so, but recently was able to switch to an Apple Watch and I love it. It is accurate. I don’t use tachymon or any constant monitoring most days and still find benefits from the watch for monitoring my heart rate (I can’t have constant monitoring due to anxiety issues). If you have an Apple product already, having an Apple Watch is a great way to have everything connected properly.

Not a serious runner but I’ve done a few half’s, a marathon and all my marathon training with an Apple Watch, no complaints.

The thing is, you forgot to mention the AW only has a maximum 16-hour battery life. This means if you wear it during the day, you won't wear it at night because it needs charging for the next day. That is the purpose of the ring: to get your health data and leave battery percentage as an afterthought.

If you have an Apple Watch you don’t need the ring.