Garmin - Forerunner 970

Have you tried an AMOLED watch? Since getting a 970 I would never go back to MIPs. Only negative is battery life. But that’s not really a big deal for me.

Currently on FR970. Positives: Battery life, Running metrics, Durability (Sapphire Glass), light weight, flashlight. Negative: Buggy OS

And now compare the prices of the top models of both brands… Plus my Garmin FR970 crashed quite a lot before it had a few updates; never had that with Apple Watches before.

The forerunner 970 has a flashlight.

Okay if you’re gonna look at one YouTuber and claim to be an expert then buy your Apple Watch. Garmin’s Elevate 5 sensor is quite exceptional. I use both a Garmin FR970 and an AWU2 extensively for marathon training. I use a chest strap with both when I do speed work to get the best data during my intervals but it’s increasingly a wash a lot of the time - the wrist sensors in both are really good. I’m not the exception here. Do a bit more research before trying to come in swinging like an expert. PS. All devices pretty much suck at sleep stage detection so if you have an unusual legitimate need to know exactly how much REM or Deep Sleep you’re getting, don’t expect any watch to give you any real precision. Maybe go have a watch of some of DCRainmaker’s content.

So I train with both the AWU2 and my Forerunner, and I’m a fan of each for different reasons. Never have I heard anyone complain about the GPS accuracy of an Ultra 2 though. I generally find my two watches are very close if I use them together but, if anything, the Ultra is always a bit closer to the mark, especially in areas that challenge GPS. Very odd what you’re saying here.

Where??? I’m really curious. All the reputable reviewers rave about Apple for accuracy of GPS (especially the Ultra, with its dual-band) and HR. Now when it comes to all the other fitness functionality it sucks big time haha. But, on the other hand, the Garmin is far worse from a smartwatch perspective and my AWU2’s cellular connectivity is above and beyond the thing I care most about on long, remote runs.

I’ve had FR970 for just a bit longer than a week now and it has been a really pleasant experience. The display is just perfect and a shame that fenix 8 didn’t get it. Overall ui snappiness is also better on the FR970. Fenix 8 is a behemoth of a watch but compared to FR970, it is a tad slower (such as slower wake on gesture) and less bright. If you go Fenix 8 way, you would be paying for premium materials (not to say fr970 doesn’t feel premium, it feels amazing, rugged look, diving features, inductive buttons and a bit longer battery life. My priority was a bit of a smooth user experience (still within the garmin ecosystem :)) and FR970 did not disappoint. Decide for yourself based on this watch will be thing you’d be A. Looking at all the time B. Scrolling up and down, entering menus, moving around all the time C. Wearing 24/7 For me FR970 has a higher average score in those 3 categories so I went with it :)

I bought Garmin FR970, sold my SE2. Used it for a month, i was trying to convince my self i like FR970 but at the end i gave up, sent back the watch since it was in return period and then bought AW Ultra 2 on a deal for $580. I won’t tell how good garmin is, its fitness insights, the running and health coach etc. all for free. I would just highlight the negatives which were deal breaker for me. Also Important: i don’t mind charging my watch daily, because i am not a freak to wear my watch while taking bath and poop in morning. So during this time i would keep it on charge as soon as i wake up. This was my usual trend during SE2. Why i returned? Remember the watch is sold for $749 1. There were many bugs, just check official garmin forums and its all filled with issues. 2. Maps experience was very pathetic, honestly its so slow. My runner buddy has a suunto race2 and the maps were so much smooth…. 3. The OS experience was bad because it was so laggy. Again i checked out my buddy’s suunto race 2 the OS performance was soo soo smooth. 4. The build quality was cheap honestly for a $749 watch. 5. The UX of OS felt like it was developed by a colledge graduate. I would not matter if it was a $300 watch, but for a $749 its deal breaker. Everytime i see the watch i felt using a cheap watch. Mainly due to OS performance, look and feel, maps experience. So this issue cannot be fixed by a sw update, because the garmin’s hardware and processor sucks. I think Fenix 8 and a cheap Vivoactive 6 processor are same. Most of the sensors are same. So what are you paying for? Ditch garmin, Suunto, Coros and Amazfit are way better than Garmin in 2025

Easy FR970 Keeping smart features aside that AW gets with its apple integration. You don’t know how much AW or any apple watch in general lacks when compared to a mere Garmin FR 265. Let alone me FR570 or 970

Go with FR570 If you have some extra cash and can spend $150 more then would definitely recommend FR970

Suunto has sleep tracking problem. Honestly, i am using FR970 since its launch and had ONE crash, Completed more than 800miles running in the watch. 0 issues. I have a baby which wakes up like 4-5 times in night. The garmin would accurately track when i was awake. The sleep start and end is almost accurate, the only thing is REM sleep stage tracking is very bad. But then garmin only uses your hrv, deep sleep and sleep duration for determining your various health and training insights. So i forgive garmin for that. Lol. The training readings score also reflects my current state. High TR state has resulted me breaking my PRs/PBs and low is just normal. So yes garmin might have some issues, but honestly in terms of accuracy garmin is way ahead of other fitness watch brands. It might take atleast 5 years for coros, suunto to get with Garmin. But then we would see some more new stuff in garmin. So right now Garmin is the best bet.

Both cost same for you. So go with FR970. You will not regret.

I had bought AW Ultra 2. I run everyday for min 40mins and 1.5hr on sunday I also wear watch while sleeping With above if i charge to 100% at 10am the next day at 8am the watch is at 55%. With LTE and AOD disabled. This is so sucking IMO. Also i have seen AW battery ages like anything. People complaining about battery capacity of non ultras AW getting reduced to 80% in a 1.5years span. If you need to get same insights that garmin gives out of the box. You would probably need to spend like 60-100$ per year in subscription. This is also sucks. Tried Garmin 970, with same usage + garmin builtin fitness and health insights i see my watch to last easily 8 days at min. Returned my AW Ultra 2 and i am now a FR970 user

I just switched from AWU it FR 970 and it’s really not even a question. I LOVE the forerunner so much more.

I just switched from AWU it FR 970 and it’s really not even a question. I LOVE the forerunner so much more.

If you have all the time in the world while sporting to wait for the maps on the 970 to move, zoom and show where you want to go then yes they do have more details (street names). If you run and instantly want to see than Garmin maps are useless.

Just switched from Venu 3 to FR 970. Love it! Favorite watch face at the moment is Rondo

thought the flashlight is a gimmick. I don't think it will be easy to switch to any other watch without a flashlight in the future. I use it often.

970 is so much better, definitely get that one

I switched from AWU to Fr970 and do not regret it. Garmin is your sport assistant on a wrist while AWU is your smartwatch which extends your phone. If you use daily AW then do not switch. If you more prefer sport features then by all means do this change. I am happy with it because I do not constantly wear it. I use it on training days and normal ones I have classic watch on my wrist.

I switched from Fenix 7 to FR 970 and was happy with it. I was also thinking about Fenix 8, but wanted something literally and easier to wear. So, overall I am more than happy.

I had Fenix 7 as my daily driver for last 6 months and in the end decided it was too big and heavy for me and switched to FR 970. Cannot say that this watch is super satisfying, but it is WAY more comfortable to wear every day. I would probably try Fenix 8 sapphire with titanium case/bezel since it is very lightweight, but the price is crazy for this model plus it is still chunky.

Then I think you made your decision and Fenix 8 is the best one to suit your lifestyle. To be frank, if I spent time in mountains, I would probably also went with Fenix 8. FR 970 just doesn't feel right there, as you said somewhere here in the comments, and I 100% agree

>The garmin connect and health features shows (no joke) at least 10x the metrics and analytics that Apple does. Compared to Apple baseline features, sure, but if you use WorkOutDoors ($8 once) for runs and Athlytic or Bevel (admittedly cheap subscriptions) then you get a similar amount of metrics. I think it’s a bit (but not entirely) unfair to compare baseline features when a significant appeal of the Apple Watch is that you have access to a lot more and better 3rd party apps, of which health and training analytics are included. That said, I also find myself justifying an AW for the apps and then the only apps that I end up using are the aforementioned apps that Garmin basically includes baseline. I do think it’s worth mentioning that Garmin menus are like universally terrible compared to Apple and I constantly find myself having to search everywhere for some settings whether it’s on the watch or the app. (If anyone can tell me how to disable weekly achievements for longest run, fastest 5k etc that’d be great). Also really annoying when you try to create a workout or something on the watch and it just has you open the phone app, but then you try to change watch faces and you can only use your watch? I’ve been using both the AWU3 and the FR970 the past week after upgrading from a AW series 8, almost certainly going to keep the FR970 since it just works better for running at my level (100+ mile weeks) but I will miss some of the AW features.

Switched about a month ago, AW S8 -> FR 970. Also tried the ultra 3 for about a week. The main features I was looking for were better battery, a physical lap button, and sapphire glass screen, and U3 and 970 covered all of these. - AW was generally way more fluid to set up and use, and I never had issues finding and adjusting most settings. Garmin UI can really be a pain, but once you use it for a week or so it’s manageable. - It’s very nice having all the data analysis in one spot, while Apple has great data it provides little insights natively and relies on 3rd party apps (I liked Athlytic) that often come with a subscription fee. Even offloading to free sites like runalyze or intervals.icu involved a 3rd party app unless you manually uploaded after every run. Again I don’t love Garmins UI but it syncs with those sites far more easily. - I miss having more fine control over notifications on AW, Garmin is all or nothing as far as i can tell. I can’t have push emails on my phone but not my watch anymore for example. - The flashlight on my 970 is clutch lol - can’t speak to models too much, I’d think the Venu 4 or FR 265 are a good starting point though, I was only looking at 970/epix/fenix

A cheaper option is 955 with the same features as 965 but the same display technology as Fenix 7. A more expensive option is Epix with the same features as Fenix 7, but the same display technology as 965. Those models are now previous models and only expected to get minor feature updates going forward. They will still get bug fixes and security updates. The upside is better stability. The modern solution is FR 970 with Sapphire glass, LED flashlight and elevate 5 HR sensor (like Fenix 7 pro and Epix pro) and microphone + speaker. There is also Fenix 8 which has all the features of 970, but diving till 40m and better golf, but dimmer display (that might not be as big a problem, since all reviewer seem to think 970 is too bright even at lowest setting). But there are rumors about a pro version just around the corner, with LTE and satellite communication on watch. Google proved it is possible with pixel watch 4.

So at that rate you will get approximately 3 days of battery on a full charge…that’s not terrible but also not as good as 6-10 days with FR 970. What types of activities and/or usage are you doing with the ultra 3?

It’s at least 60 days from release until the codes will work. For the FR 970 it was longer, almost 90 days after release before the discount worked.

Apple watch ultra 2 is your only real option for longer battery life and esim and the rest of the features you want. You do know that if you have a spotify premium sub you don't have to have an e-sim to listen to music, as you can download playlists and save them onto the device, unfortunately offline spotify is only available on wear os watches (not an option for iPHone as locked to android), apple watches and garmin. Garmin may be a good option as can do offline spotify playlists, and has built in route options or can pull them from strava, syncs data with strava way better than apple does; and the models that offer music all offer at least up to 10 days battery life, and they can offer way more than garmin does in terms of built in training metric and analytics and features. Note offline music + gps on watch is a heavy battery drain - so 1hr or gps activity + offline music and you are looking to recharge every 4-6 days (maybe longer) depending on the model, compared to multiple charge per day on AW (assuming you sleep with it) or daily charge on AWU2 If you want a mic and speaker look at venu 3, FR570, FR970, Venu x1 and Fenix 8 series. Otherwise you could go with vivoactive 5 or 6; FR265, FR965, FR955 and prior fenix 7 (and its variants like Epix 2 etc).

I have the fr 970. Payed tons of money but the hr reading is incorrect. 20 dollars band from Samsung does a better job

It’s the FR970. Love it, I’ve gone from running 0 k to 45 k a week in 3 months. I’ve done my first half marathon. The built in flashlight gets a tonne of use it’s better than my phone light, battery is wicked. I have no regrets switching from AW

Battery life alone is huge and a reason. To change IMO. Fitness tracking with GPS is better on the garmin than the AW, Flashlight on my FR970 is insanely useful and I use it multiple times a day, People saying they have issues sleep tracking hasn’t been my experience because I rotate the watch so it’s over my wrist/pulse point and I’ve had great luck with that when I sleep, Running and biking without my phone but still being able to access my music library is amazing. I like having both buttons to toggle through stuff and touchscreen, Garmins are more rugged and better built and feel like a tool instead of a toy.

I have a garmin FR 970, I’ve had it since June. I am a complete beginner runner. Since June first I’ve had 28 runs and multiple workouts, I cannot reccomend it enough, I don’t want to attribute all my hard work to it but the watch has helped me huge, the metrics and data are amazing, the touchscreen and usability I find is easy to operate. It was pricy as shit but I think it was worth every penny. I’ve since ran two 10 ks, and am running an official 10 km race July 20, training for a half marathon come October, using Garmin and Runna! Goodluck with your search but if you can swing it you won’t regret the 970

Get the vivoactive 6 if you are not so serious with training and want that lifestyle type of watch. If you are serious but still want the lifestyle type of watch can go for the venu 4. FR265 is a great entry training watch. Fenixs only for hardcore athletes, FR970 is a mini fenix but better off getting a fenix 7. Epix Pro Gen2 is a great watch also but have been discontinued and wont be getting any new updates. FR570 better off with FR265 Apple watch has terrible battery life, even if you are using apple’s ecosystem I still wouldnt recommend it if you value battery life. Feel free to ask me anything, I did all my research since I was also planning on getting a watch

Just wanna say, the [Forerunner 970](https://www.reviewni.com/product/B0F8QZ7233) is honestly the best Garmin watch I’ve used for running, hands down. I upgraded from the 945 and wow, this thing just feels like a massive step up. The Amoled display is chef’s kiss, super bright, easy to read, and actually nice to look at even when the sun’s blazing. Flipping through stats while I’m huffing and puffing on a run is so smooth, no lag at all. I haven’t dug deep into the crazy mapping features yet, but everything else about training and recovery is just spot on. The daily suggested workouts are actually really helpful and the recovery info feels legit, especially if you’re training for a big goal like a marathon. Battery life? Honestly, it's a game changer. I charge maybe once every 10 days, even with regular runs, which is wild compared to my old Samsung Watch that needed juice almost every night. Not gonna lie, it’s pricey, but totally worth it if you’re a runner or just want something that actually lasts and works. The design feels super premium too. Pro tip: watch some DesFit or DC Rainmaker vids if you wanna see all the details, they helped me a ton.

The large Venue 3 has decent battery life, a good HR sensor, dual band GPS, and some other perks you might like. It's their best "healthy lifestyle" watch that's not activity-specific like the FR watches. if you're looking for something more sporty, larger face, and maybe you'll like to get more out of the watch later, the FR 965 or, if you want to spend extra on the latest model, the 970.

I’ve been on Fenix MIP since the 7 and just made the jump to the Forerunner 970 AMOLED. I’m mainly training for a marathon right now, so I figured I didn’t really need all the extra bells and whistles of the Fenix. First impressions: * The 970 feels *way* lighter. * The display is crazy bright—almost “hurts-my-eyes-in-bed” bright, but honestly pretty awesome. * Battery life feels just as solid as my old MIP with AOD off. I thought I’d miss glancing at the watch anytime, but the gesture response has been working surprisingly well. Curious—anyone else here made the switch from Fenix to AMOLED? How are you liking it long-term?

Yeah, saved $200 by going to 970 after selling my Fenix 8. People are saying 970 is the baby Fenix, so yeah it does have most of the bells and whistles of 8. I needed the torch though for sure!

Yea, but it also has a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with running. the FR970 is more of Tri watch. I am very happy with my FR165.

As I use a Garmin and turned off stroke detection. It is kind of crap and throws off the lap counting. It’s much more accurate without it.

Yes, when it detects a new stroke it creates a new lap. So sometimes it gets confused and thinks you’ve changed stroke mid length and creates a new lap count.  I found little benefit to it automatically detecting stroke anyway so it was a useless feature for me.

Well, it is not necessary, but definitely it helps. I’d recommend you to buy at least some basic Garmin Forerunner - it doesn’t cost much, has a decent battery life and is light. Regarding AW, for marathon, you should buy ultra, which is a lot of money. Whoops is more an add-on than running tracker. It’s not very comfortable to run with a phone and the watch shows live metrics, which is very useful. So yes, you should.

I use Edge 540 for cycling and it’s absolutely unbeatable. Now on vacation, I used my FR970 as a substitute and it was surprisingly good. Connected to HRM-Pro chest strap and garmin cadence sensor, it worked perfectly. I hooked it to the handlebar, so I could see the map and even in hot sun it was perfectly readable. It even has a climb data screen! Only the battery was a bit exhausted (still enough to go through the day) after 4 hours ride with navigation, Edge wouldn’t notice it :)

I switched. 1) no need to subscription (I'd have to pay for at least three apps to just remotely mimic what garmin does out of the box - cadence, bevel or athlytic and fitify) 2) ability to connect and use all my gear (I tend to use Engo Eyewear AND Stryd Duo pod together, which is hardly achievable on AW (I never managed to do it). 3) Garmin just works. No fiddling with apps like AW, just select the activity and go. 4) Five buttons! AW tended to behave erratically when sweated with long sleeve. Not Garmin. Or swimming workouts are accurate thanks to those buttons and drill log mode. 5) Battery good enough to withstand long run in winter (AW tended to have problems in 30+ km runs in cold, not Garmin) Forerunner asks me if to go to power saving mode, when there are "just two days left" :) 6) it is iphone independent. I can freely choose whatever phone I like 7) Garmin connect has bad UI, but the data trove is great. 8) ANT+ - lots of gear uses it 9) maps are in the watch offline, no need for data connection, like AW

Interesting, I’m the opposite, I had the 970 and thought it felt cheap and platicy, went to fenix 8 51 mm amoled and am loving it, I enjoy it. One thing I did notice is how much brighter the 970 screen is, it’s silky. 

Fenix may be heavier, but 970 feels cheap and plasticy. Both good watches. 

I have the FR970 and I exclusively trail run. I love it. I don't have any problem seeing it in direct sunlight. I might get a MIP if I start doing ultra's for the battery life but that is a big if. Mine goes through about 10% per day with pulse ox always on. One thing that really helps is to change the GPS to be the basic setting (can't remember what it is). From what I know, the high precision is really only needed if you are in tall buildings or deep canyons. If you have to ask if you will need the huge battery life of the MIP, the answer is probably no. Want is a different thing.

Tried amoled with garmin and the Apple Watch Ultra with their oled, and I can say that it works really good. But man, do I find it annoying that the screen changes when I lift my wrist. Mip is just great for watches for battery life and AOD

I've been using the 970 with the strength coach it's awesome for me

Fenix 8 (no PRO) has dim (about 1000 nits) AMOLED display, much worse then FR 970 or F8 PRO AMOLED (about 2000 nits).

If you want maps, I guess the FR970 (or the 965?) might be the best choice. Or would breadcrumb navigation be good enough? If so: → FR265 or FR570. Garmins are pretty good at sleep tracking (in my experience), but I wouldn't rely on it for medicinal purposes. They are fitness watches. Battery life on Garmins is multitudes better than on common smart watches like the Apple Watch etc. If don't want to rob a bank before purchasing your new watch (and seriously: who wants that?) and breadcrumb is okay \*and\* you don't mind a watch having being released two years ago, then definitely look into the FR265. The 570 (which is basically its successor) is nice, but very expensive for what it does (not even has proper maps) and has lots of smart functions you don't care for. If you want proper maps: FR970 / 965 are very popular, though the 975 is said to be released sometime this year. Comes with bit of a price bump compared to the breadcrumb variations, though. Gosh, hope I didn't confuse you even more. :-) Edit: Google says AllTrails works fine with Garmin.

I have a 970 as well and don’t have any issues besides the odd counting an extra lap if I stop in the middle of the pool because someone is too slow infront of me.

It's important for you to know that Garmin will be discontinuing all Forerunner lines, except for the 570 and 970 models. As a result, models like the FR55, FR165, FR265, etc., will no longer receive software updates, and some may be phased out of production. Also, if you plan to sell your watch, any of those discontinued models will lose a lot of value. If you are just a casual sports enthusiast, I recommend the FR570, but if you truly want to take things seriously, buy the FR970

I don't think it's a coincidence that any high-level athlete or ultra marathon runner (if you've met any) use strictly garmin. Not coros and definitely not suunto. Completely agree that the interface is and has always been terrible, specifically the garmin connect app. But no one should be buying a garmin for the smooth watch interface and amazing app. People who buy garmins, specifically fenix, forerunners and now the x1 (a ultra slim alternative, that loses its battery life because that's what happens when the watch isn't uncomfortably thick to sleep with at night) are buying them because they want accurate data about their health metrics. And in that field, you have no idea what you're talking about if you think any brand comes close to producing accurate data about your health. And if it helps with credibility, I work at a sports retail store where I get to test drive all the different high-end fitness watches. The fenix 8 and fr 970 are the pinnacle of sport smartwatches but are unfortunately ridiculously uncomfortable to sleep with. Which is very silly considering half the health metrics and data that helps you train optimally is dependent on your sleep metrics. which is why the x1 is a amazing alternative that doesn't need to be charged every single night, like it's counterpart.

I second this - the 970 with the sapphire screen will out last the 955

Garmin FR970 - best fitness watch right now Garmin Fenix 8 - same as FR970, but with more rugged and premium design + diving capabilities Garmin Fenix 8 pro - if you want fitness watch with LTE Apple WU3 - best all around smart watch + good enough fitness watch for most people (the only downsides is battery and you will need third party paid apps to make them a great fitness watch) Suunto Race 2/Vertical 2 - if you tried Garmin, found it overwhelming, tried apple watch and did not use smart features and just want nice and simple fitness watch for better price or you need insane battery life in GPS mode but in this case you may want to try Garmin Enduro 3. Coros - i have no idea and have never tried, but latest Apex 4 looks nice

I absolutely *love* Garmin watches — not just for the sleek design and durability, but because I genuinely enjoy collecting stats on myself. There's something incredibly motivating about seeing the data and tracking my progress over time. That said, I’ll be honest: I don’t even fully understand *all* the stats I collect! But that’s part of the journey — learning what the data means and how it can help you improve. My journey with fitness trackers started ages ago with the Nike Fuel Band, and since then, I’ve upgraded every couple of years as my goals and training needs evolved. I used the Forerunner 265 for a good while — it’s a fantastic watch. But when the FR 970 came out, I decided to take the plunge. And honestly? No regrets. It’s absolutely brilliant. That said, for most people — especially depending on your goals — the Forerunner 265 is more than capable. It's packed with features, the display is stunningly bright and crisp, and it's reliable enough to support everything from everyday training to serious endurance work. If I had one piece of advice, it would be this: rather than upgrading every time a new model is released, go for the best and newest model you can afford upfront. Garmin watches are built to last, and if you take the time to understand the metrics, they’ll repay you in spades — not just in running data, but in overall health insights. Beyond the usual pace and heart rate stats, Garmin offers deeper health metrics like sleep tracking, HRV status, and endurance scores — all of which can give you a more complete picture of your wellbeing and recovery. If you’re looking to train smarter, not just harder, these tools are incredibly valuable. Garmin isn’t just about tracking runs — it’s about understanding your body, your effort, and your potential.

The 970 has better maps and navigation hands down. The only pros I see to the Suunto are build quality, battery life, and price. If you can get the 970 for the same price I'd go that route unless you really need the extra battery life. The Garmin ecosystem is better developed, mapping and navigation are superior, built in flashlight, and lighter weight.

No, they are well overpriced for what you are getting. Outdated, laggy, buggy software, with watches that for the most part are made of plastic/resin and look cheap. The Connect app is a disaster. You will need a chest strap if you are interested in accurate heart rate data for activities. The bluetooth antennae range is short and has issue connecting for many - android and iPhone users alike. Yes they give you a great deal of data, is it fun to look at, absolutely, is it needed, absolutely not. There is so much of it that folks either don't understand or don't know what to do with it so they never action it. Further if the heart rate data is not accurate or consistent is any of the data valuable anyway? Garmin is falling behind its competitors, changing its focus in an attempt to add more smartwatch feature - doing so poorly it seems - and not staying true to being a great fitness tracker. They are relying more and more on their reputation and their prices are going up and up for watches that are going down in quality and usability due to software issues/bugs. Just have a look at all the issues that occurred when the Fenix 8 was released, the FR970/570 and VenuX1 are currently having software issues too.

The Forerunner but that is just my preference because I feel that the Instinct is the ugliest watch that Garmin makes. I see several have suggested the MIP solar version of the Instinct - I would say a huge no to that. Unless you are going to spend a huge amount of time outside the solar is useless and the MIP is dull and not great inside.

The fr is the better watch for running, it is a training device. The Venu3 is a lifestyle watch, a health and wellness device.

Hi. I am not a runner. I walk and hike (every day). I did a ton of research earlier this year between Coros, Suunto, and Garmin. I moved away from an Apple Series 9 (loved my Apple rings being closed every day and the ecosystem I was already in). Started tracking on Strava the first of the year when I started looking to move away from the crappy battery life of Apple Wearables. I ended up with a Garmin 965. I love my watch. I miss a few things about Apple, but, short of making a watch that lasts more than 72 hours on battery, I will not be going back to Apple. I did play around with Coros. It was ok. The app is more user-friendly than Garmin and tracks about the same data/stats. If money isn't an issue, get the Garmin Fenix 8 with solar (I believe that is the one that is not AMOLED). Or snag an older 955 or something. My 965 is fabulous. With tracking at least 1.5 hours on GPS throughout the week and at least one six-hour hike on weekends, and get 10 or so days per charge. The Fenix I tried was a tad heavy. I find the 965 to fit and feel much like my Apple Watch. A hiking buddy switched from a 955 to a 970 a few months ago and LOVES it. Said it is worth the drop of a few days of battery for the new features and comfort. Both of us have purchased third-party watch bands (velcro). Makes it so awesome. Love it! In short, get the 970 and set it as the black and white colors for your screen.

When Garmin, make sure the watch you chose has the latest HR sensor, the Elevate 5 on board. For instance: Venu 3 or 4. Or Fenix 8, FR 570 (but has no ECG), FR 965/970. Not the Vivocative 5/6 ones.

Training load and training readiness are not on the 165 meaning it can’t provide detailed / adaptable daily suggested workouts. Other than that and maps it’s very similar to the 965/970

On my 7.5 inch wrists, I prefer the 51. See how the 47 vs the 51 looks. Much better battery on the 51, too. https://preview.redd.it/n3v5vtvfu7xe1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a42f9a77be278b9a8e9fc998f9ddc0ccf0ec76b6

Benefits of 20 years in construction… used to have a Fenix 5 plus, Apple Watch Series 4, Applewatch Ultra and various actual watch’s… all felt …’dainty’… the 7X was chosen for the largest screen (& torch)…. Considering the a move to amoled now and half considering the 47mm as it has the same size screen as the 51mm…. Lighter weight, lower cost but a shorter battery life…. But I can deal with that

There is Garmin Swim (IMHO essentially it is a ForeRunner, but swim has been put in focus; review here https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/10/garmin-openwater-review.html). However, modern Garmin watches are all able to track pool swim as well as gym workouts (you might have to set exercises later in the app if you want to track muscle groups affected). Essentially ForeRunner is for runners mostly, Forerunner 9xx is focused on triathlon, Fenix is mostly for outdoors - but again, all of them can do almost the same. I’d go with Fenix if budget allows.

There is Garmin Swim (IMHO essentially it is a ForeRunner, but swim has been put in focus; review here https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/10/garmin-openwater-review.html). However, modern Garmin watches are all able to track pool swim as well as gym workouts (you might have to set exercises later in the app if you want to track muscle groups affected). Essentially ForeRunner is for runners mostly, Forerunner 9xx is focused on triathlon, Fenix is mostly for outdoors - but again, all of them can do almost the same. I’d go with Fenix if budget allows.

Fenix/Epix are the same, Forerunner 9xx has 99% same functions but a bit lighter and not as tall, but only available in one size

Many of us have been here. Just get the best Garmin you can afford and you’ll never look back. I bought the EPIX 2, and love it, but the Forerunner 9xx series are probably the best bang for buck if you’re into fitness training.

Still one of the best when it comes to performance/price. Performance is super nice, long battery time, many functions. But ofc if you have enough money, go for a newer model like FR 570. I dont know much about swimming. Probably the FR 9xx is better for that.

Lots of options. Check out the Venu series, Vivofit, and Vivoactive. IMO the value-added aspects of the Forerunner are around running and other aerobic endurance sports. Are those relevant to you?

Forerunner can be a great alternative to Fenix if you're price conscious. Or just last generation Fenix. Do you care about maps?

Forerunner does that stuff too. In general, higher-end Garmins add, they don't take away. Are you serious about any of your sports? Like planning seasons, building for events, that kind of thing?

Changed my mind... I think without an explicit indoor rowing activity profile and VO2max, the extra analysis stuff on the Forerunner won't really work. Not sure if any of the watches have that. I know there are some accepted equations to estimate that stuff, though I think you'd also need a reasonably accurate power meter on your rowing machine. So yeah, Venu or whatever is fine.

If you want maps, it's the 900-series.

My opinion, go with the Forerunner. Check out all the chatter from people moving on from their Apple Watches - I get that some of the newer ones have much better support for running but you say you have an older one. And you're not going to want to carry your phone either. How much running have you done up to now?

Forerunners are great even if you don't run. None of the watches are great for the gym btw. For hiking you basically want an altimeter (which all new watches have) and maybe maps (which only the most premium watches do). I think the main advantage the Instinct has over the Forerunner is that it comes with Garmin Explore integration (for offline realtime mapping with the companion app on the phone). Only the Forerunner 9xx series support this. I think an Instinct 2 or 3 will be a great choice for your use

I've used either a Forerunner 9xx or a Fēnix for about 6 years. If you give it about 5 minutes before you swim to leatch onto as many satellites as possible after it says it has a GPS fix it's pretty good. If you dive in as soon as you get the tick, it's crap.

V2 Form goggles will do all of that. On the plus side, they're cheaper than most watches that will do the same. On the minus side, they're expensive for goggles and they have no other uses. Edit: and I didn't read the land workout bit. Garmin Forerunner 9xx definitely meets your needs. I suspect the 2xx series will as well.

I second this. Exact same use case run 3x/week and weight train 3-4x/week. I found the epix pro gen 2 sapphire to be best utility and bang for buck. I tried the FR but was too run focused and I preferred the more tactical look. The fenix 8 was nice but at double the price with same sensor technology it didn’t felt worth it. You do forgo the mic and voice features but I didn’t need it and didn’t want a true smart watch but prioritized a fitness forward watch. 3 months in and I love my Epix pro gen 2 47mm

I know people LOVE their MIPS for the simplicity and battery life and because it’s familiar. I was recently gifted an AMOLED Forerunner ahead of a half marathon and the screen was excellent and a nice upgrade over my previous Garmins. Battery life is still more than sufficient.

Depending on the types of weights you utilise in your training, you may want to consider a Garmin with Sapphire Glass. It's pretty much bulletproof (I have hit mine with a 24kg kettlebell more times than I care to mention). That said the Venue range is great if you are not juggling kettlebells.

I use a Garmin Forerunner watch, and it displays heart rate while tracking activity. The reading is pretty visible to me even with slightly foggy goggles but ymmv. They have a lot of models with this capability, so maybe you can find one with a bigger screen. The default heart rate screen also has a colored Zone indicator, if that's easier to see & you're not looking for exact numbers https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=kbOXNev7NS4DQcc3IjAV49

I use Garmin forerunner watch, sync Strava with Garmin Connect and sync Komoot with Strava. It works like a charm.

I have a Garmin Edge bike computer and chest based heart rate because I like to see my speed on the handlebars rather than having to look at my watch. It also navigates for me on more adventurous rides and race courses I'm unfamiliar with. For local social rides I just track on my Garmin Forerunner watch.

A Garmin head unit. You could buy used to reduce the cost. I do ride wearing my forerunner watch, however it is purely for heartrate (linkeded to display on headunit) In reality you could buy the headunit and an inexpensive chest heartrate monitor such as magene. I do however like that my watch provides lots of other daily data such as resting heartrate, steps and so forth. There is benefit to headunit + basic level sports watch.

Runs are the same concept as rides. Personally, I use purpose-built devices to record: Garmin Edge bike computer, Garmin Forerunner watch (they also both do navigation, connect to heart rate sensors, watch does music, etc.). When I stop an activity and hit save, it's uploaded to Strava before I can even get the garage door open. I don't want to carry my phone on a run, and I don't want to run down the battery on all-day rides.

Obviously a Fenix 8 Micro LED. For real though, Fenix/Epix watches will give you full golf functionality minus a feature or two which are reserved for the golf specific watches. If you are budget conscious I would look for a Fenix 7/epix 2 series watch. If you have money to spend, a Fenix 8 will be great for everything you can imagine. Forerunner watches do have some golf features but they are dumbed down a bit to basic distance to green and score keeping.

The same I was big on the Apple ecosystem and felt like it was a cool watch just because it integrated so well, but I never even downloaded any apps for it. All I ever used it for was timers and reminders and stuff like that and basic fitness tracking, and my forerunner does all the same stuffbut way better. Should’ve switched sooner

All true except advanced metrics. They are also present in Fenix (it has even more features for hiking) and Instinct. Forerunner is not more advanced. The rugedness is mostly about the bezel. In fenix and instinct it has a rim which gives extra protection to the screen. But that means rugged watches are more bulky what can be a problem in the gym. The real question is lightness of forerunner vs battery life of fenix /instinct

I’ve had and loved garmin forerunners and a coros pace. Slight preference for coros over garmin for battery life. Slight preference for garmin for multi-app interoperability.  I’m actually planning to buy an Apple Watch because it’s fine as a fitness tracker and has better health tracking capabilities on top of the fitness stuff. 

I have both and just got the forerunner. I really enjoy the fitness data from garmin. AW is just a superior smart watch and I am coming to the conclusion that I don’t need it any more. At my age I just need to focus more on my health and fitness.

Not having a screen doesn't really seem like much of a selling point. It's nice to have the watch function and access to other data bits on the screen. I have an older Garmin Forerunner that I've used for about 8 years.

I would personally always take a Forerunner over the Venu series, as I am pretty serious about my fitness. I don't really care much about smart watch features, just need a bare minimum. And the venu series seems to take tradeoffs with fitness features to accommodate the increase in smart features.

Running is just what the Forerunner targets to be the best choice for. It is a lighter watch, with all the GPS accuracy you can get. It doesn't focus on Golf or diving or being "rugged". So yes, a Forerunner would still be a great option for your situation, and it will just be a plus if you ever decide to run.

I would recommend the Forerunner series, I love it. Great for running, and a recent update even added Strength training to the Garmin Coach feature. It used to just be running plans. But aside from that you can make your own strength training workouts. I personally really enjoy the ability to make my own workouts and fill out the calendar in the app to have a custom training plan that I know works for me. But I believe the custom workouts/planning aspect should be universal to most watches though.

Many of the Garmin lineup support multi sport, and personally I've been on the Fenix track for over a decade now, currently on Epix Gen2. Handles swimming and running spot on paired with HRM-Pro. I have an Edge 1040 for cycling. Wife has a Fenix 8, it's super nice. Weight not an issue for me, Forerunner is a lighter model but gets a plastic case if I'm not mistaken. And go for the Sapphire screen.

In same boat. Floridian who knows you can’t touch anything after 10 minutes in the heat and I fear the button loss. Also have owned forerunners

I second this. My Garmin Forerunner has been going strong 4 years now.

Yes, they’re great. Make sure to download the connect app, that’s we’re all the useful data will be much easier to read.

The only time that I had issues with a Garmin watch they replaced the watch well over the warrant. I got a forerunner that lasted a lot (6 years?) and then I gave it to a friend. I'm sporting an almost 5 year old fenix and I got it second hand. The watches they make are sturdy

Garmin Forerunners are a great fitness watch.

Bought the forerunner as my running only watch and still use my Apple Watch the rest of the day. Apple Watch is a far superior smartwatch and Garmin is a far superior running watch.

I think if you primarily want to track those workouts and your alternative is not getting an Apple Watch, then it might be overkill in terms of money spent. I was coming from a forerunner and knew I wanted an Apple Watch so was going between an S10 and ultra 2 and don’t regret getting the ultra 2. Like you, I wanted the extra battery life and preferred the more rugged look

You can get a Fenix 7 Pro for less than that from John Lewis at the moment. It depends what you want from the watch. If you want sturdy and looks good then go for a Fenix, if you want lighter then go Forerunner. You won't get a Fenix 8 in that budget but the 7 Pro is still very good for the money.

I've been an Apple Watch user for more than 7 years. Currently have Ultra 2. But I just got a Garmin Forerunner and love it. It's a refreshing change with superior data for me. On a practical note, I can use Spotify in the Garmin and it hasn't glitched on me once. Apple Watch is a disaster with playing music at the same time as running and this has held true for years over several different watches, watchOS versions and headphones. I like to row and the Garmin counts the strokes per minute whereas the Apple watch gives you no data. The built in training plans on Garmin are much better than having to pay for a subscription to Runna or Fitness+. The recovery insights through the day are better for me than Apple and don't require a third party app. The Find my iPhone equivalent feature on Garmin works better for me. Good luck with your AW but I'm enjoying the Garmin experience and I say that as a diehard Apple user.

If you really end up getting into running, I would not suggest Vivioactive 5. The pace shown on the watch is NOT the pace you are running. You won’t see your actual pace until after you run and sync to the app. I’ve learned a way to know “appropriately” what pace I’m running by setting up the watch with .25 mile laps so it will show me the .25 average. Also, I start a separate run activity for both slower warmup and another one for the slower cool down. For weight workouts in the gym, I just use the cardio activity but it’s really just to see approximately how much time and calories I’m supposed earning. Pool workouts are decent for counting laps, just one lap off. Maybe the low-level Forerunner would have been a better option for my running. I’ve only had mine a few months but it’s durable. I’ve worn it doing lots of hiking, over rocks etc. But I’m also a little bit careful.

Coros or garmin pace or forerunner, if you like music while running get the garmin, if your more minimalist (smaller screen, simpler interface) get the coros

Yes because the Apple Watch battery is unlikely to make the distance of a marathon, let alone an Ultra (depending on how recent your watch is). Ask me how I know; lol. I trained with my Apple Watch but knew from my long runs that it wasn’t gonna make the distance of the full marathon so wore a Garmin Foreunner (an older style one at that that I found on Marketplace!) for race day. It didn’t even get below 50% battery!

I turn it off on my garmin forerunner as it drives me mad and once it’s off you never get notifications. Even after system updates and stuff. Easy peasy

I would suggest any Fenix or even any forerunner over any vivoactive or venu of you're serious about training. Sure you can get by with most basic stuff on those watches but if you get serious about training or want better features you'll have wanted at least a forerunner model

I think it very much depends on what you want from a watch. I’m a big data nerd too and I really do enjoy my Garmin. The other nice thing is that Garmin has a pretty wide array watches that can cater to a beginner or advanced runner. Me personally? I had a forerunner for many years before I upgraded to the Enduro line due to battery life during 100k+ distance races.

Came to say the same… I had an Apple Watch, replaced it with a garmin forerunner for 1 month it was the worst! So inaccurate and when I’d swim in pools it would so often double count my lengths… I went back to Apple Watch

None of the forerunners have a metal bezel. They’re all solid colours. The Venu just looks better period , imo

I’ve worn a lot of watches and trackers. For a beginning runner I would get a Garmin Forerunner. I’ve owned the entry level and the Epix Pro ($1100). Garmin is the most consistent running tool I’ve owned

Update I bought a forerunner and used it a couple times but ended up returning it for the Venu 3. I am happy with my choice!!!

I got the Venu 3s and couldn’t be happier! Tried out the forerunner but hated the way it looked and I feel like their running tools/stats are incredibly similar

Just “downgraded” from a Fenix to a Forerunner (about a month ago) and love it. The battery life of the Forerunner isn’t as great but it’s still good, about 7 days on one charge (using GPS once a day). Forerunner is less bulky. I have zero regrets with the switch.

Go with a venu 3, all the important things is there, it has great accuracy comparable with forerunners, and it's adequate for your running needs, and also the design is more fitting for you.  But yeah, if I have to choose for myself I'd go with Forerunner because as a guy I like Forerunner better design wise, and I like to have all the features even though I might not need it. 

I have a Garmin Forerunner, hopefully soon to upgrade to Fenix. Anyway, it has the quickfit watch strap, so I have an orange band on it all the time, and for formal occasions I have the chestnut leather band, takes all of 30s to swap them over 👍🏻

I’d check Facebook Marketplace for a used Garmin Forerunner. They are good watches for running and biking, and they also have good sleep-tracking if you decide to wear it 24/7.

This was my experience, too-- went from Apple watch to Forerunner and I'm glad that I made the leap. The tipping point for me was that the Apple watch battery was draining so fast on my rides that I was losing data, and I was charging it twice a day.

The forerunner is the same internals and same 1.4" OLED screen as all the other high end garmin watches. The heart sensor is elevate 4 instead of elevate 5. Otherwise its the same watch with different styling. You can put whatever watch face on the watch you prefer. You want it to look like any other watch, just use that watch face. Just don't get the extremely outdated MIP screen that the zealots keep pretending is a good choice even though it doesn't save any battery anymore and is only offered on the obsolete watches. Some people can't afford the new OLED screens so they want to say they are inferior, when they are just poor and can't afford current tech that is obviously better. It really comes down to the styling of the watch case, if you want it to be super oversized 51mm or normally only slightly oversized 47mm or you want the colored accents or the flashlight or whatever. Its a personal styling decision at this point, get what makes you happy.

Love my forerunner and wished I had switched sooner to be honest

Definitely Garmin, specifically the Forerunner

I don’t know what you’re doing with your Ultra, but mine gets barely 2 days and I have the brightness on the lowest settings and no third party apps installed. My Garmin Forerunner gets 4-5 days on a single charge and if I turn off the AOD, that goes up to 15

Just about all the Garmin watches do what you're looking for. The only thing with the Instinct is that it's a pretty specific look. You're coming from an Apple watch, which is pretty much accepted as appropriate in any setting and with any attire. The Instinct definitely looks rugged and tough. The Forerunner is more generic looking.

No it’s definitely true. AW is famously terrible on battery life with no apparent justification. I get close to a month from my forerunner on standby - about 2 weeks with daily workouts.

It’s not though - and even if it was nobody wants that. The overwhelming majority of AW sold are non-cellular. I get notifications on my Garmin and that’s all I really need my watch to do in addition to fitness tracking. Battery life is hugely important for a wearable - I have an AW and I never use it because the poor battery life means I just don’t put it back on after taking it off. My forerunner is ugly and plasticky but the battery life lasts a really nice length of time and it is much better than AW at fitness tracking and I still get my notifications. I wouldn’t switch back to android, I really like my iPhone, but Apple has been pretty stagnant in innovation for best part of 10 years now. The Apple Watch just isn’t a particularly good product. It’s not a bad product, but it’s not good either.

Yes you can order plenty of bands online. I started with the Venu 2S and swapped to the Forerunner. They are the same size. Forerunner definitely has sportier bands. But I appreciate more activity modes, more training metrics and better battery life.

I’m an iPhone user and only use Garmin. I tried the Apple Watch and wasn’t a fan- Garmin had a better battery life and is just a great fitness teacher regardless of your fitness level. The Garmin website has a “quiz” to help you select a watch- I recommend that! I like the Vivomove series for just daily wear and have a Forerunner for running. Happy shopping!!

Forerunner or Enduro for all around "everything." Weights suck with any watch, but that's not specific to any model.

Don't underestimate the lightness of your watch. Especially 19 hours in, I just get tired of the heavy shit on my wrist. I'd go Forerunner or Enduro every time.

Garmin all the way if you are using android The tracking is really quite good and the features arent exactly advanced for a beginner, it walks you through basically everything Ive seen a few forerunners or vivoactive go on sale for slightly over 200. Abit higher than your budget but imo worth it, it will last you even when you are no longer a beginner

I would go Fenix personally if money isn't an issue. Better looking, better build, longer battery, and better (more waterproof) buttons. I really don't like the look of the forerunners so that may also be a big bias for me.

Funnily enough, a lot of people do more than just road running..... a forerunner is not great for swimming, cycling, heavy trail running etc. Ive run multiple half marathons in my fenix no issues as well as doing many other activities without the worry of cracking a plastic watch and having enough battery to do so. I also did say that I was bias towards the look.... but it still remains that I think forerunners look cheap.

I would go for either a venu or a forerunner depending on whether you want to use it for running or more general metrics. Both will suit your needs well but the forerunner will prompt you more to run and has more alerts etc on that department. Also decide on the size of your wrist, I had a bad experience with the 165s as it didn’t measure my hr properly because it was too big so if you have a small wrist go for one of the S versions!

Most of the training data is a gimmick anyway. Youll be fine with a venu 3. One of my friends is an ex Olympian Rower. Hè has a venu 3 I have a forerunner. He is in much better shape than I am. The Watch doesnt matter.

Brother gave me a used Garmin Forerunner a year ago as he upgraded. It's been awesome so I'd go second hand/refurbished from reputable source.

get a low digit garmin Forerunner, they do what you are looking for

I have the forerunner and I haven’t as it’s not rated for that kind of temp. However google searching has people going into the sauna with their Garmin without issue so it’s really a personal risk / reward scenario.

Basically any Garmin from the 255 and up. Fenix is the best but pricey so forerunner should be more than enough

I had a forerunner and only switched to an Apple Watch when I had to stop running. Garmin is a superior fitness watch. Especially if you are running every day. You can use both but it will screw your daily stats. You get a few more smart features (eg replying to texts)  in n the Garmin if you pair it to an Android phone as Apple deliberately don’t integrate well.  Oh, and the battery lasts days even when exercising a lot (weeks without excercise). 

For a long time, I only ran with my phone and used the Map My Run app, and then switched to Strava. I used live tracking on the apps as I ran, but I didn’t have a watch to see how it was going in real time. Both apps have voiceovers that tell you when you hit a mile and your pace.  I ran my first half marathon and had no clue what my heart rate was, which is what made me get a little more serious afterwards. I got a cheap Garmin forerunner to start with, and moved on from there! So you don’t necessarily need anything, but if you get more serious with it, a watch is nice to have! A running belt like Flipbelt or SPI belt is handy to carry your phone.

...and something good about the Forerunner is that there is one for every budget (unlike other Garmin watch ranges).

the cheaper forerunners and Fenixes are great for this, simple, cheap, reliable and near indestructible

I’ve had both fenix and forerunner. Even as a multi sport athlete ( although primarily a runner) I hands down love my forerunner way better.

If you want a sports watch with superb training feature and battery runtime, get a Garmin (Forerunner). If you want a smartwatch with some sports features, get an Apple Watch.

Honestly, garmin. I like the smaller forerunners. You can find my reply to a similar post last week/recently

I tried a Garmin Forerunner but couldn't figure out how to customize it (and I'm pretty tech savvy). Sold it to a triathlete. I'm a Samsung gal and I love my Samsung Galaxy 6. I easily customized it so that getting to the swim app is just one face swipe and a click. It auto detects my strokes pretty reliably and even though I don't do flip turns it knows when I switch direction and gets the distance right.

Probably Forerunner. I did a whole video on picking your Garmin: https://youtu.be/UuSZG52uOrg

Current/recent Forerunners aren't clunky and are a fine everyday wellness watch.

Forerunner. Any model. Any model from last few years up to now. Great range of watches. Loads out there pre-loved as runners do live to upgrade. FR 745 is vastly underrated / undervalued as a device for the non-elite level runner.

I’ve been double wristing it for about a year and a half since I got into marathon training. Garmin Forerunner on the right, rotation of analog watches on the left. It has completely killed any desire for a digital watch on my “nice watch” arm, and I get a question about it occasionally, but otherwise I don’t really think about it

I tried to switch but in the end I came back to Apple watch (I missed it's smart capabilities, it's nice and polished apps and the way it integrates in the Apple ecosystem). I do wear my Garmin Forerunner on my runs though along with my the Apple Watch.

For someone who is new and cares mostly about sleep tracking and GPS activities it’s honestly all kind of the same. You can run with an Instinct and you can hike with a forerunner. Choose based off of look, price, battery life for your particular activities. A Fenix or Instinct pretty much does it all and with great battery life. Doesn’t really matter in the end unless you care about very specific advanced metrics. I personally think most of the Forerunners are ugly so I gravitate towards Instinct because I’m also not willing to overpay for a Fenix when there’s other brands that cover 90% of a Fenix for half the cost. If you want to research alternatives: If you’re looking at an Instinct, check out Coros Nomad. If you’re looking at a Fenix check out Suunto Race 2 or Vertical 2 or upcoming Coros Apex 4.

Dammit I loved my Forerunner, I pool swam, ran, trail ran, hiked, OWS, you name it, and the watch is awesome. It holds music so I can run with just the watch. Tracking was great. The numbers were big enough to read I had it for 3 years, and the plastic bracket that holds the wrist strap pin broke. I am using my sons Google watch and I curse every time I have to look at it. I keep thinking I'll get used to it and eventually love it. Nope I hate it every day. So now I run with 2 fitness trackers, the Garmin without a strap, in my pocket and my every day Google watch on my wrist. Buy the Garmin

For almost every Garmin wach you can download TennisAI app from garmin store which would capture and recognize your strokes, measure power etc. If you are interested there are two versions of the app and I would recommend to check compatible devices list from the latest one as it has improved interface and match score tracking features ( https://apps.garmin.com/apps/0073ddf4-3ec7-436d-a598-d88cfd0d583a?tid=1 ). The watch shall be worn on the hand that holds the racket so ehen it comes to a device if you buy a havy model like Fenix or Epix (>80gr ) at first it will take you a few sessions to get used to it but if you buy something lighter like venu, forerunner or fenix S version it will not interfere with the game at all.  Also the square devices are in General poorly supported by developers.

Forerunners are much lighter weight and therefore much more comfortable to wear.

Hi! I was in the same boat when I switched from a Garmin Forerunner to the Apple Watch Ultra and missed the Body Battery feature. If you decide to get an Apple Watch, feel free to check out my free app, [BodyState](https://apps.apple.com/no/app/bodystate/id6479940325), which brings back that feature. We even have a [subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/BodyState/) if you're interested!

I would wait for the Ultra 3 in September. I’ve tried going to Garmin a few times (Forerunner, Fenix 8) but they never feel as good a quality and the UI is terrible IMO. Im similar to you, I run, strength train, walk and Hyrox and the AW does everything I need. The only thing against an AW is the battery life if you’re going on multi day hikes. If that’s not an issue then I’d pick an AW every day of the week.

I have a Garmin forerunner and it’s great for fitness tracking and everything else, I wear it all day every day. It will give you yardages to front middle and back, and it’s pretty accurate. I mainly use my range finder though so I don’t often use the watch for golf. I was thinking about making the switch to a more golf forward version and the epix pro is the top of my list. It has unbelievable golf functionality but is also a great fitness watch. The only better “golf feature” garmin is the S62 or similar, but they aren’t as convenient for fitness tracking IMO. Garmin kicks ass though, I highly recommend it. The site DC rainmaker is a good resource, that dude has reviews on every damn garmin product I think

Fenix or Epix and yes they integrate with iPhones. Some fitness apps will connect to Garmin. If you want a slimmer watch you can also go for the new forerunner.

Apple Watch will do fine for a long time - only got a Garmin last year. However once you go to only having to charge your watch once every two weeks you just can’t go back to Apple. I have a Garmin Fenix (on the $$$ side) but I wear it every day as my normal watch too and have had zero issues making the switch. However there’s heaps in the range, I love accuracy, maps, long battery and lots and lots of data so I can overthink every run - so Fenix it is! The forerunners are great and the vivoactives are a good mid range model. There’s other brands like Suunto, Polar etc. For true accuracy on any wrist watch you may need a chest monitor. But if you really like your Apple Watch I found it pretty good unless you’re somewhere with not much reception

It does not sound like you do running or other outdoor activities, so I d recommend a vivoactive 5 or 6 mate. However, something like a basic Forerunner could also give you all plus some running support for a share of the vivo price. I started my first one with a vivomove HR which only gave me steps and basic gym rep counting (that was 8 years ago) then vivoactive 3 and now a FR965 because I do hike a lot and started running recently plus all the gym.

Go for the forerunner!!! No need for anything else

For running, the **Forerunners** win because they’re lighter, have better training tools (readiness, load, recovery, VO₂, etc.), and give you more run-specific metrics. The **Instinct/Fenix** are better for hiking/backpacking since they’re tougher, with longer battery and more rugged features. Animated workouts are more of a nice to have, useful if you like guided bodyweight or gym sessions, but most people don’t rely on them. Daily suggested workouts are hit or miss: they’re good for structure but not something to blindly follow. Maps are genuinely handy if you do trails or long hikes; on runs they’re mostly good for keeping you on a planned route. The 970 only records ECG if you start it manually, it doesn’t passively check like an Apple Watch. Smart features: you’ll see texts and calls, but RCS isn’t supported (just standard SMS/notifications). The mic/speaker are fine for quick replies or answering a call in a pinch, but not something you’d want to use all the time. Why Garmin? Mostly the depth of training metrics, reliability, and ecosystem, Coros and Suunto are good but Garmin still has the most polished data!!

They definitely do, especially Instinct 3 Tactical. If you have more spare cash, look into Tactix 8. Also, you most likely knew by now; stay away from running and lifestyle watches. Forerunner is not tough enough for sports like rock climbing.

I used my last Forerunner for 6 years before I changed to my current Venu 3s 2 years ago. The Forerunner was still working by then, I only changed because I wanted the Venu, not because the FR broke. In short, they last.

I’d definitely take a look at the Forerunner line. It’s going to be thinner and lighter than the Fenix, and generally carries most of the same (if not all) features. 

Forerunner if you care about run-specific metrics, the vivoactive 5 lacks them, the vivoactive 6 has some, but forerunner would be the go-to

I received an Apple Watch from my friend as a gift years ago. It did a lot of things reasonably well but it had limited battery life and I found many of the features distracting. Eventually the watch cracked after falling off a nightstand. I switched to a Garmin forerunner and loved it, good battery life, good athletic tracking, if I wanted I could control my music or read but not respond to a text (I have notifications off), I could also use it as a HR monitor for my bike computer (or track a ride with it but I like a HUD). A few years later I upgraded to a Fenix 6 and it’s still going strong 5 years later. I would never go back to an Apple Watch unless it could meet the same battery life expectations and was less easy to damage.

I had a 255, also a similarly slim wrist, and recently "upgraded" to a Vivoactive 6. Upgrade in quotes because I'm aware a lot of people don't consider that an upgrade, but it definitely was for me, for things I cared about, and ultimately it's only things you care about that matters. For me the biggest problem was how big and heavy the 255 was. I believe it's very similar size/weight to the 265, and the 955 is even larger/heavier (by a bit). I am also primarily a runner, but not a super serious one (one or two half marathons a year, a few weeks/months of half-assed training). The tracking and training features on the dirt cheap Vivoactive is more than enough for me, and I don't miss the more advanced features from the Forerunner at all. In fact, I still don't know what those are. I suspect very few people wearing Forerunners really benefit from the very specialized running features that the more "lifestyle" Garmin watches don't have, and I regretted falling into that trap and getting that Forerunner a few years ago. Either that or this sub is full of hardcore elite runners. On the Vivoactive, the OLED screen is much more beautiful than the MIP, and the new interface is so much more intuitive to use. The size also looks much less comical on my wrist. It's also much lighter, which I didn't really appreciate until getting this one. It "only" has 10 days battery life, but I just charge it when I notice it going below 20% when sat at my desk, and it really doesn't bother me at all. The 255 was purely a training tool. The Vivoactive gives me joy to wear and look at, in addition to being just as good a training tool for me. But that's a very subjective thing. If you don't like the Vivoactive aesthetic, there's also the new Venu 4/4S that looks more premium. So I think it mostly depends on whether you actually need the additional features. The map is the only feature I would care about in the 9xx, but I wasn't going to pay so much for that, when I never do long runs in unfamiliar places without my phone anyways.

Yeah every forerunner I’ve owned has been great. Also touch screens on a running watch are really annoying if you sweat a lot

Apple watch is pretty useless by the time you're trying to add sensors to your workouts. Look at wahoo and coros. Garmin forerunner is awesome if you want to splurge.

As a long time garmin devotee…their current pricing is just inexcusable. I’ve been a forerunner guy forever and it’s honestly a joke.

Made this switch a week ago. Love it. Wish the connectivity with strava/runna was better. Annoys me that theres no golf activity on the forerunner

If you want a cheaper option the Forerunner is good. Had two in a row. Heart rate, could record rides pretty accurately.

My forerunner lasts like 3 days 🫠

Garmin lily if smartwatch na close to iWatch (no personal experience, nakita ko lang sa friend ko). I have a forerunner naman, works well also. May sariling app.

If your priorities are Ant+ and a streamlined UI, you might consider returning your Fenix and going with a cheaper device from the Forerunner line. The Fenix line is the more "fully featured" option, but with that comes cost and a more clunky UI. The last two generations of Forerunners will all have Ant+ for less than half of the price.

Nice, yeah you summed it up pretty well! Haha. I’d actually recommend a Forerunner over a vivoactice but they would both suit your needs

Forerunner, and the version depends on your bidget

If you want to get healthy and get phone notifications and *maybe* do music or something, get a Garmin. Instinct 2 (gives music controls but requires a phone for the music itself) or a used Forerunner (I believe they're done of the cheapest models that do on-board music, Spotify, etc.) or what have you. If you want to do smartphone stuff on your wrist and *maybe* get healthy, go Samsung.

If you think you will become more ambitious with running, then forerunner's extra features are helpful to see your progress. It also gives you feedback on what to work on eg low aerobic and high aerobic. The Vivoactive is basically just a lifestyle watch, similar to apple's

Garmin Forerunner + Playrun App from IQ is working for me pretty smoothly.

I had the same debate - bought the venu & ended up returning it for the forerunner & have been beyond happy with my decision. the extra battery life alone makes it so worth it for me, but I also really love the additional metrics & the daily suggested workouts

I really love my Garmin. I use a forerunner which isnt the most stylish model, but battery life is really good and it has a lot of additional activity features I like (e.g. tracking outdoor swimming, biking , training plans etc). They have a paid subscription model but it is in no way necessarily, you get access to most features as part of the watch.

I have all phone notifications disabled on my Forerunner and on my Garmin Edge. So it works just as you expected - it records my activities and syncs them to Garmin Connect / Strava afterwards.

My wife has the vivoactive 5. She recently started running and finds it rather basic compared to the running metrics and functionalities I get from my forerunner. The things she would like to have the most, that are not on the Vivoactive, are Daily Suggested Workout and breadcrumb trails.

Had an Apple Watch and currently have Garmin Forerunner Battery life Battery life Battery life Garmin all day.

No smartwatch does swimming or lifting particularly well, imo. The development of swimming software has always been secondary to the watch’s software for biking and running. That said, i do use and find acceptable the swim function on my garmin (I’ve had a swim 2, forerunner, and fenix). I don’t pay attention to stroke detection so I can’t speak to that but it does everything else you’re asking for.  For lifting, paper and pen is still king. I track my lifting workouts on my watch so i get “credit” for them and the workouts help me reach some of the silly little “challenges” garmin has, but it’s too fiddly, prone to errors, and doesn’t provide me the same information I get by writing down my lifts & how I felt. 

if you're trying a lot of new hikes, loading up hikes on the watch is great and I've liked it on my forerunner.

Yeah, the nice thing about the PW is that its user serviceable. You can change out the screen and battery. I hope other manufacturers decide to follow this example. It also has LTE and satellite and okay battery life. On the other hand, the forerunner has buttons which I prefer.

The forerunner is made for runners, it's the obvious choice here.

I have a Whoop band that I really like for tracking activities. It’s not a watch - doesn’t have a face to it at all - but I think it does a good job tracking sleep/activities and horse riding is an option for activity on it. You don’t pay up front for it - it’s a $35/month service fee. So while not a big expense up front, it obviously adds up over time, which is not necessarily for everyone.  I wear a garmin forerunner on my other wrist too. I like that as well, but I have to say I prefer the app and the data provided by the whoop. I basically only use my forerunner for the actual watch face at this point.  Edit: I just checked whoops website and they do offer a $399 up front fee for 2 year membership. 

The forerunner line is geared towards running and triathlon. They are excellent watches. You can get them relatively cheap used.

The forerunner will meet and exceed all your needs except one. What type of integration are you requiring? Basic smart notifications?

I was a Fenix guy until I bought a forerunner. I can't tell the forerunner is on my wrist. I love it.

Fourth for Garmin!!!(I have a forerunner) I love it!

Switched 5 years ago. Echoing the comment here: this is **not** a smartwatch, but a **sports/adventure watch.**  You won’t be reading your emails, getting texts, or calling a Uber, and the screen is nowhere near as responsive as the AW. If you’re looking for a phone one your wrist, Garmin is not for you. But if you’re training for a sports race, anything from a 5k to an ultramarathon, or even just trying to stay generally fit, the load tracking and suggested workout feature alone is worth it. The battery of data signals you get to tailor and improve your training is worth the switch alone, to a Foretunner or Epix or Fenix. Not even getting started on navigation in the mountains, which is really good — if you hike, camp, trail run, cycle, or generally enjoy being out, you will love your Epic or Fenix.

I’d also recommend going for a Forerunner. Forerunners are built for running and can be used for swimming. An Instinct 2 lacks for example Garmin Run Coach, which the Forerunners have.

IMHO Apple does fitness tracking better than Garmin. Esp. sleep tracking is more accurate, plus you get ECG on most Apple Watches. In the US, blood oxygen tracking is currently disabled for new Apple Watches. Btw. I am wearing both, Garmin and Apple (I like redundancy for marathons, plus my Apple Watch has LTE, while my Forerunner does not)

>It's actually not bad, it's just a compromise you MUST take I don't like compromises. So I wear an Apple Watch and a Garmin Forerunner.

I use both, Apple Watch and Garmin (one on each wrist). IMHO, Apple Watch does better health tracking and offers a wider range of devices to contribute data. As well as more apps. Apple really shines in sleep tracking and I have the feeling that Apple’s wrist based HR sensor is better than Garmin’s. I am using a Forerunner, so it’s not the newest Garmin tech, but my Apple Watch is a Series 8, so not the newest gen either). I really like Garmin for training. And the HRM Pro Plus is the best heart rate monitor I ever had.

What nags me most is that Garmin has x variants of their OS and you never know for sure, which watch gets which software features. Like training readiness is available on the Forerunner 265, but not on the 255 - although the hardware would absolutely permit it. Apple on the other hand usually ships software-only features to older watches that are still supported by the current version of watchOS. The reason why I also have a Garmin Forerunner is button operation and the OOTB training features. Apple needs really to learn that touch screen operation isn't ideal when you do certain sports.

Yes, serious overkill. Vivoactive is good for general health tracking and logging your runs or you could go for something more running specific like a Forerunner. For more all around fitness at a decent price, you can't beat the Vivoactive series.

Whoops focus during exercise is how much strain you are putting your body through.  I’d recommend getting a Garmin forerunner if you want a fully dedicated running watch! 

I've not yet had an issue with my Garmin Forerunner resetting during activities. The most important decisions to make are determining your budget, the activities you genuinely want to track, your goals, and your needs for multi-app use on a watch face (be honest with yourself - don't fall into traps of spending more based on unlikely "what ifs?". For me, I wanted to keep it simple - track runs, gym activities, steps, and heart-rate/pace trends. As a beginner, I decided on one of the lower-end Garmin's for their strong GPS and because it was good enough to meet 99% of my needs. I'll use money saved to buy the inevitable new, needed pair of running shoes.

Garmin forerunner, Fenix, epix, Enduro. And nothing else matters

Basically any modern smartwatch will do this. Your axes of choice are ecosystem, battery life, and price. The basic Apple Watch will do what you want, but because you’re using the GPS, the battery will be dead mid-day. I do not recommend any Apple Watch but the Ultra for an athlete or active person because of the awful battery life. If you want something cheaper than the Ultra, I’d look at the Coros Pace and cheaper Garmin Forerunner options. They’ll both cost about half and are really good products with roughly 5-10x battery life vs the basic Apple Watch.

Oh wow I didn’t know the Ultra 2 also had that issue. Honestly after getting a garmin watch, I don’t think I can go back.

The Fenix is much heavier than the Forerunner. I had a Fenix and switched to Forerunner because of the weight.

Whichever forerunner is within your budget is usually best if running is the priority

Garmin forerunner, whichever one you want they’re all good

I have the Fenix 8 amoled which I use for running and hiking, the sapphire glass is great so it doesn’t scratch and I love having topo maps standard. Cons is the price. Forerunner is a good option if price is an issue.

The best deals are on Mercari and Yahoo Auctions. I bought my Garmin Forerunner 2 years ago(?) used on Yahoo Auctions and it is still working great!

I just got a forerunner garmin after my Apple Watch couldn’t last a day. if you can, I’d definitely recommend getting one, maybe even with the holidays coming up. It tracks my sleep, workouts, stress - a whole lot more than my old Apple Watch!

I have an AWU: it’s a smart watch w/ mostly useless rudimentary fitness tracking metrics that don’t match at all with what training peaks, intervals, Strava, or Garmin Connect give for metrics & stats. Also, battery lasts less than 24 hours if you actually use your watch for tracking rides. I had a Garmin Forerunner: It was a legit fitness tracker that has useful metrics that align w/ 3rd party training platforms and also has some basic useful smart watch features. Seamless integration w/ Garmin Edge bike computer stats as well. When I upgrade watches, I’m going back to Garmin because I prioritize the fitness features more than the often annoying & useless smart watch novelty features that Apple caters towards for the general public. What do you prioritize? Novelty smart watch features (Apple), or useful training metrics (Garmin).

Garmin has the best batteries, forerunner as others said

Vivoactive and Venu (non X1, that thing should have had a name of its own) don't have the advanced running metrics. So it's Forerunner , then check whether the features you want are in Instinct, Fenix, Enduro or Epix if you like one of those better.

Vote for garmin forerunner. I’ve had three models, came back after trying Coros. I use for running, strength and CrossFit. I love it. Works well, easy to use, I like the recovery and body battery aspect as someone who also had whoop but was sick of having two things

I used my Garmin Forerunner and it was perfect. Only charged once after 6 days.

Fenix 7. Skip the screen on the 8 and go with one that holds up better in bright sunlight. HOWEVER, if these are truly your only options I’d say forerunner. Slightly less rugged, but has everything you need for a little less than Fenix series. Doesn’t have a flashlight though

If price isn't an issue check the Garmin line. They have watches for runners, climbers, n daily life. I'm not a runner but I got the forerunner since it matched well with my life style. Just pick the one that u like the most based on its features. Battery life is from 7 days to 15 depending on the watch n use. If price is an issue get the lower end ones, less feats but still very nice battery life

I use Strava and the Whithings app, paired with one of their smart scales and a few add ons. Apple Health can pull from both, and while I don't care about my daily steps (for example) they automatically pull from my watch (forerunner) into the various apps as well.

The Forerunner would be a watch I’d recommend for sure. There are a number of different models, so make sure you do your research. It also depends on how much you want to spend.

Depending on how much you want to interact with your watch, the lack of buttons on a Venu might be frustrating. For that reason a Forerunner might be better as you can lock the touch screen during runs and use the buttons.

Can't go wrong with Garmin imho. I've had a fenix and a couple of forerunners, and they've all worked great.

Fenix or Forerunner. They have precise data especially if you ride a horse

If you move all day, whoop will track it. Whether or not you are doing an activity whoop will count any increase in heart rate towards your "strain", and will give you sleep recommendations and adjust recovery based on that. The automatic activity tracking and auto sleep tracking are great. It's the most hands off device out there. Garmin only adds load when you are tracking an activity, so it can miss a lot if it's not a planned workout. But when you do track activities, it gives you much more information. Whoop is not a good activity tracker. It's a health tracker. You can really only see your heart rate zones for the activity. You can't see progression over time or compare it to previous workouts. For that you need garmin or Strava or something else. From what I can tell, Garmin is amazing at activities and good enough with health, while whoop does great with health but is poor for activities. Not sure if this helps, but it seems like there is no perfect option - Im going to have to make this same decision once my subscription is up.

I replaced my whoop with a forerunner and have been thrilled with the change; big up front cost yeah but it fully replaced all the recovery metrics I was using whoop for and got rid of the monthly subscription too

Get the forerunner it’s definitely more versatile and does the swim as well as the swim 2.. I have owned a Garmin for 20 yrs — have the Fenix 8 now

Forerunners are the gold standard of running watches. Pick any model. Been a Garmin FR user since 2009. No regret. There can be additional software that’s fun to use to analyze data other than Garmin Connect if you’d like but in terms of hardware, I’ve had no complaint in over 30,000 miles. That’s a lot of time worn…and I now wear it 24/7 to track sleep and stress and steps.

I have been trying to get going as a runner for a few years but kept getting injured... anyway I've had a Garmin Forerunner for a few years as well and I am happy with it. It's useful as an everyday watch but also has built in training programs. I'm going through one right now for a half marathon in May and it's going well. I did six miles yesterday (the farthest I've ever ran in my life) and I feel great today. It is durable, has great battery life, and for the money is a pretty good bargain imo. I would suggest it to anyone.

If you don’t wanna get a dedicated computer like the Garmin edge. Then get a forerunner or fenix.

Garmin forerunner You want more than just gps for time and distance, whether you realize it yet or not

For concept 2 you can use the forerunner to broadcast HR to a PM5, and have Ergdata sync to Garmin Connect. The HR data works well even off the wrist (I used to find that wrist HR sucked for rowing). I also broadcast HR to my cycling computer.

Ive had a few Fenix versions, they are great/ top of the range. Last few years ive been using forerunners which have all the functionality - 9xx series is great, or 2xx for something easier on the pocket. My activities include trail running, hiking, triathlons (and running/swimming/riding only), golf/disc golf. Navigation and battery are good, and glass is strong. Lifestyle is great for sleep, general hr tracking, step counts, tap to pay. The 955 i have also has great multimedia (music). Cant go wrong with a forerunner (solar if you are doing ultra's or multiday). Fenix is a nice splurge

>Its a Vivoactive by another name. ironically i've been looking at the FR series to upgrade my old vivoactive. lack of altimeter is deal breaker for me.