ATK - Z1 Pro

Had a pretty hefty game session last night using the Kysona Jupiter Ultra, and had a big smile on my face. :) $60 for a Viper v3 Pro clone with Omron Opticals.

Is it going to be lighter? I hope so, it’s the main reason I changed to an ATK Z1 tbh, lighter and a better dongle out of the box. Screw paying £150 for a mouse then an extra £40 for an 8k dongle……..

Wired Deathadder v3, ATK Z1

All of those are not great choices. G309 and Orochi are old and heavy. Attack Shark X3 has fine specs but is made by Attack Shark which I would avoid. Mchose or ATK are generally the best options for good price while still being quality. Mchose A5 or A7 is probably a good option (A5 being slightly smaller) ATK A9 is also good. You can also look at more a Viper clone with the Mchose K7 or ATK X1. Or an Ergo with the Mchose A7 (RE) or ATK Z1.

Similar hand size and I use relaxed claw. While I vaguely tried to follow the small mice rule, none of those were great for comfort. Talking about the VXE R1/Mad R size. Those were giving me pain around the little finger. The comfortable ones were mid to large sized. EC2, S1, Haste, DAV3 were infinitely better. Currently using ATK Z1 (EC2 clone) and it has been great. My conclusions were - length of more than 120mm and grip width of 62mm or more.

IMO ATK Z1 > Rapoo vt3. Because atk z1 has better shape and better specs

As a person who searched for an alternative for years. I eventually settled for an ec series inspired shape. The atk z1 was my choice.

Look into brands like VXE, MChose and ATK. They usually make high quality clones of popular mice. I use the ATK Z1 at the moment

This mouse is not ideal for full palm low profile design feels weird imo. I would get an ergonomic gaming mouse like the Atk z1 or imecoo P1

Sorry for the late reply, I'd reccoemnd a few for you then. ATK Z1: Solid somewhat original ergo shape can be found for fairly cheap. Ajazz Aj179 2: Superlight Dex clone with decent internals Incott Gpro Hero: GPX like shape that leans ergo Keychon makes many many mice for 50$ that are fiarly solid Metapanda 01: Deathadder V3 Pro clone but slightly smaller with solid internals most of these are fairly cheap and i can give you a way more extensive list of mice under 70$ if you'd like but it's in my comment history

I got larger hands but I've been palm gripping a lot of mice recently. ATK A9: it's a Logitech superlight clone and it's like the best one on market as long as you get one with a 3395 you're good. ATK X1: it's a razor Viper V3 clone and it's super solid, make sure whichever one you get has a coating and 3395. ATK Z1: EC3 ergo shape solid for palm grip, same as the last two. Incott GHero Pro: kinda an NP-01s clone, solid for its price. Incott G23: Superlight Clone and solid, some of the best build quality Incott G24: EC3 clone and solid also super good build quality. Mchose L7+: Sora V1 shape, pretty large and good for claw/palm in my experience Mchose G7: G502 shape which is great for palm get the pro to get the 3395 version

razer deathadder v3 if you dont mind a wire, just get a bungee so no cable drag, or ATK Z1 if you want a cheaper version. It's practically the same shape

+1 for the atk z1

vxe mad r+ (or any other atk mouse with 3395/3950 and optical switches), rawm es21, rapoo vt7 max if you like palming your mouse (among those rapoo has best battery life - 400h at 1k polling while most other get 100-200)

It's not "bad" per se, just very very expensive for what you get, especially if you consider that the Superlight 1 can't even go above 1000hz. Superlight 2 in white also has yellowing issues with the coating/paint. When you look at it from price to performance value, you get way more with mice like the VXE R1 Pro, or ATK blazing sky, etc. Pros don't really care cuz they're either making a ton of money, or they get tons of superlights for free.

I have tried around 40 mice in last year. I have 480 hz OLED with 9800x3D and RTX 5090. I got late into mouse hobby but I've tried most of the current premium lineup and some budget options. Lamzu is not as responsive as Logitech or Razer disregard of whatever you may think. Lamzu 3950 feels the same as ATK 3950, as Mchose 3950 as any other brand WHICH USES THE SAME OEM SOFTWARE ONCE THEY PUT A BATCH ORDER. Any company WHICH DOES THEIR OWN SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION like Logitech or Razer FEELS DIFFERENT. Disregard of sensor position or DPI deviation, in fact latest software on both GPX2 and V3Pro allow you to make 1 to 1 DPI. Mouse responsiveness is different and I would say that Razer, Logitech and Zowie are THE best in terms of software implentation for 3950 sensor. Razer has 0 delay Motion Sync which feels more responsive than Lamzu without motion sync (while Lamzu with Motion Sync is pure trash) Zowie also has bad motion sync but other than that feels good. Logitech is probably the oldest and the most weird but once you get used to it it is quite good as well. You may trust numbers or be delusional because "hardware is the same" but in hand feeling is different.