Darmoshark - M5 Pro

I agree with the scyrox being based tier. Darmoshark M5 pro should be on this list for being the only viable fingertip exclusive shape to come out of AliExpress thus far.

Oh hey we have the same hand size! Right now I'm using the Darmoshark M5 Pro with a relaxed claw grip. It's comfy and the hump/back feels snug in my palm when I do a tighter claw grip. The only thing I don't like about it is the stiff middle button but I think it's getting better over time. The shape is different but when it comes to length, I think the Darmoshark M3 Micro would be fine too.

I don't think the taller the safest is necessarily true, while height can help if you prefer the occasional hump contact with your hand, I'd consider width more important (yes that means the bump on the asym is great and just gives so much more flexibility of grip), you mention you want to go full send in which case my recommendation would be the asym for a pure ftip experience, however the Darmoshark M5 pro is amazing because it isn't as much of a compromise or in other words it doesn't ask much of you grip wise while giving you the befits of a ftip mouse also its flat sides are big help in comfort, I would NOT consider the Keychron M4 a good introduction to ftip unless you like to go hard mode right away, it was my first ftip mouse and its hourglass shape was challenging to adapt that said I mained it for about 4 months so its perfectly usable also the M4 scroll wheel is very very good but IMO the M5 and asym are better options, to address your question IMO these mice really shine with relatively high sens and and a glass mousepad this comes together to facilitate a delicate grip as opposed to the usual death grip, this means you are truly free to use your fingers wrist or arm in a given situation, hope this helps, I've included some pictures and also out of these mice the asym is by far the lowest click height compared to the OP1, then the m4 all others are very close to the OP1, just don't expect click height to be a make or break IMO its preference I feel as comfortable using the asym as I do using say a Maya x. closing thoughts if you truly want a ftip M5 or asym are great options but only do it if you are genuinely curious, if you don't really care about going pure ftip there is no way in hell you can go wrong with the beast X mini [https://imgur.com/a/3tXHn7k](https://imgur.com/a/3tXHn7k)

I have the same hand size, also sweat a lot and play mostly fingertip and the best mouse that has fit me so far is the Darmoshark M5 pro.  I have recently ordered a new mouse so we'll see if anything can knock off the M5 pro. My partner has the OP1w 4K and I can say that it's probably the best choice if you want to play claw with 17.5 X 10cm hand size.

Addressing your questions: • The bump on the right is useful for control and comfort to some degree. • In real terms anything that can comfortably move is light enough but lighter is better in my experience, especially as fingers use small muscles and will get fatigued easier. • Fingertip mice have their main benefits in micro correction and fine control situations which can apply to all aim scenarios. • Fenrir max vs. HSL is personal preference, Fenrir max is similar width to a lot of normal mice which is comfortable for more people with larger hands. • Click height again is personal preference, lower makes you feel like you're getting more control in some sense but higher might feel more comfortable to others. • You can absolutely use a beast X mini or crazy light, they have their merits and allow you to go from fingertip to claw for different situations, others prefer to have more space for fingertip movement. Overall I'd say in my opinion that a cheaper option like Keychain M4 or Darmoshark M5 might be good if you want to dip your toes in without spending a lot but if you're committed to the grip then the Fenrir options do seem like the best options for weight and shape right now (shame they have no coating though).

https://youtu.be/o7s0mMXB-RY?si=msy-dYltcKXwr6MY BEST Gaming Mice of 2025 (so far) They are your hands, what fits them and what you find comfortable and what grip you use are all things you need to take in to account and can't be decided for you.  I use a Darmoshark M5 Pro because I fingertip, it would be awful for anyone who palm grips mice. 

I just switched to a palm mouse today (fingertip -> MMO mouse), and I absolutely didn't account for how sweaty it was going to make my hand/I didn't realize that fingertip mousing was allowing airflow that I would miss when it was gone. XD Also, I forgot that removing the grip tape from my fingertip mouse was a bad time - I'd switched to a palm-like stance to prepare for switching mice, and... I don't miss fingertip at all. I don't have to engage my fingers to hold the thing, and I only need grip when lifting off (and there's enough "texture" in these MMO buttons on the side to act as a natural grip).

Being "jacked", and being a pro lifter isn't the same thing as *functional* *strength*. You can have all the muscle in the world, and not have the speed, control, or stamina required to move a heavy mouse around for a few hours at a time. Ultimately, a more massive mouse is going to require more dexterity and strength to overcome starting and stopping inertia, and more stamina to keep up with during matches. Imagine having no mouse weight at all - the mass you're dealing with becomes just your hand, which is not zero. You still need the strength and dexterity to move your hand, and stop your hand. It's still a function of the full arm/chest system's ability. If we go the opposite direction, a heavier mouse just requires more. Spend more time with a heavier mouse, your will acclimate. I thought I wanted hyper-light keyboard switches, so I modded 20g springs into my optical, linear board. Lots of mistakes, and trying to go back to my de-clicked Box Navy board was an exhausting thing. But I got used to it (again), and it's now really consistent, and I can type just as fast as I did before (and the heavier springs damp the bottom out, so it's actually slightly more comfortable). Assuming everybody has maximum game sense and tactics, a lighter mouse is only better if you're not willing to acclimate to a heavier mouse. I honestly think the whole push for lighter mice is a matter of side-by-side comparison, and how a lighter mouse feels better in the moment, after *just* using a heavier mouse, but eventually it starts feeling "heavy" again, because you've acclimated to it. Which is exactly what I was feeling when using my Darmoshark M5 for a good while. And there's some argument that "you've been training with a heavier mouse, and now you're using a lighter one, so it's going to feel faster and easier, because you're acclimated to a heavier something". I have this 40g Darmoshark mouse, and I just got a 120g "MMO" mouse *today* \- all of this is fresh in my mind. I'm honestly thinking about looking into adding weight to my mouse, and then switching to a glass pad or something. And that's another something to consider: if you're using cloth, a heavier mouse "digs" into the material more. If you're on a hard pad, it's going to be even less of a difference.

A lightweight mouse is only more responsive because the weight of the device is greatly overpowered by the strength and dexterity of your wrist, arm, and shoulder tendons & muscles. If you trained with a much heavier mouse, you will eventually acclimate, and it will stop feeling heavy (you have to give your body time to acclimate). Ultimately, mouse weight doesn't matter. (I just - today, like an hour ago - "downgraded" to a massive, heavy MMO mouse from my Darmoshark M5 fingertip, 40g mouse. Having more buttons will be *awesome...* if I can get this software to work. The only real downside I'm running into: I didn't realize switching to palm grip, and pressing my hand up against a giant mouse, was going to make my hand heat up as much as it does!)

As far as I'm aware, my current setup is my endgame. I can't find anything better that's readily available/trustworthy: * Redragon M811W-RGB-PRO * Ergonomic tilt (would prefer vertical, but I don't think there are any vertical MMO mice). I thought my Darmoshark M5 was my endgame, but, in hindsight, I was just putting up with wrist pronation, and having to close my thumb and little finger together just all the time, and that's exhausting and terrible * Plenty of buttons for hotkeys/macros/navigation * Comfortable * Wireless * Weight is not a concern - I can acclimate * Games other than high speed FPS/twitch shooters *exist*, but you wouldn't know it from visiting this subreddit * PFU Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2 PD-KB400B * There's a wireless mod I'm considering * Tactility feels really good * Bested my personal typing speed record on this thing, and I've only had it a few weeks * I would like to get MX stems for it, so I can try my MOA keycaps - could be a good time * I hear stupid-stiff domes would be a good time for me, too, so that's in a cart somewhere I'm not super fond of the... Yugioh card mat I'm using as a mouse surface/deskmat currently, and I'd like to try a glass pad at some point. I miss the Razer Sphex I had, like, a decade ago.

Darmoshark m5 for me personally, its just a cheaper gwolves alternative imo, can't say for sure its better cus i don't have the gwolves equivalent

I think you are right. But they don't have any business to be that expensive. We need more 50-80 fingertip mice. Right now there is only keychron K4 and Darmo M5.

I would love if Darmoshark made their M5 Air from plastic and made it same price as regular M5. Or if somebody like Mchose repurposed their top tier PCB from L7 and made fingertip mouse.

Hey, I’ve got the orange Zero too!! With my Darmoshark M5 as well, the white on orange is so pretty 🥰

I almost pulled the trigger on the m5 but had this randomly pop up on fb marketplace for basically the same price as the m5. I really like the mouse, my only real gripe is the placement of the side buttons. I'm used to hitting them with the middle joint on my thumb but it's just harder with this mouse. Nother other complaints though. The Fenrir Asym is a good bit shorter and wider than the m5 so i'd be curious to see how different it would be to use. I also had an op1 8k but decided it wasn't going to be my main. Great mouse though.